To Those Who Think Supra Is "the Most Powerful Weapon In The Game" And Needs No Buff...

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How many of you actually own it?

 

How many of you have maxed/potatoed it?

 

How many of you have used the Ogris or Acrid?

 

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I'm surprised at the number of people who say "Best Gun in Game! No Buff Needed!" Only issue is that they don't own the gun, or haven't used it compared to other high mastery dojo weapons.

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What scenario would the Supra more useful than the Acrid or Supra?

 

I have a maxed Supra (no Forma), maxed Acrid (1 forma), maxed Ogris (2 forma).

 

Single target damage? Acrid or Ogris.

 

Multi target damage? Ogris wins all the way.

 

Supra does so much less damage per shot (34/97; less ammo efficiency), has access to inferior mods, doesn't have armor ignore, has slower travel time, and takes more materials to craft than then the Acrid, at the same mastery rank.

 

Granted, the damage rework may change things some, but until then, the Supra is an inferior weapon right now due to being outclassed by weapons with similar requirements.

[Volt_Cruelerz]

I have the Supra maxed and potatoed and acknowledge that it is a very good gun that doesn't need a buff.  Ogris and Acrid are OP IMO.

 

EDIT: for clarity, I don't think anyone who's used it actually thinks its the best gun in the game.  Ogris/Acrid are the best, yes.  That said, it is a good gun.  It simply is held back by armor (getting changed).  It is designed for short-medium range and requires leading.

Edited August 23, 2013 by Volt_Cruelerz

[Miose]

forma'd it 4 times worth everybit, great gun and my go to gun for massive damage to bosses. can kill phorid in 3 clips and it's not even where I want it yet.

[EinRyu]

Supra sorta needs Forma's lol

[Boatsniper]

It needs no buff. The instant stun combined with Ice Storm makes short work of any enemy.

[Miose]

It needs no buff. The instant stun combined with Ice Storm makes short work of any enemy.

but ice storm is a pistol mod...

[ChaoticVice777]

Acrid's broken thanks to stacking DOTs though, and the Ogris just needs a lot less ammo to work with.

[modded]

Supra sorta needs Forma's lol

I decided it wasn't worth it. I don't see any advantage to using the Supra over my other weapons.

[Tenyu]

The supra isn't the best gun or whatever but i find it fun. Don't think a buff is needed either. but that's just me.

[PeripheralVisionary]

Either Supra gets a buff or secondaries like Acrid or Despair get nerfed.

[Magicfingers]

OP....you forgot to mention the extremely slow reload speed even with a maxed mod on it

[RawGritz]

Op? Oh no! I like it...kinda. I prefer my Flux in all honesty. But the Supra has some key uses. I may polarize a slot. But I have other weapons planned for that before my Supra.

 

I own it. I potato'd it. I maxed it out. It's nice but each shot deal lower base damage than I feel it should.

 

I would love an SMG tho... Kill the wind up. Lessen the shells spit. Bam! SMG "Supret." Damn that name sucks.

Edited August 23, 2013 by RawGritz

[plznohurtme]

I have the Supra maxed and potatoed and acknowledge that it is a very good gun that doesn't need a buff.  Ogris and Acrid are OP IMO.

This.

[Boatsniper]

but ice storm is a pistol mod...

Right. The Supra's ridiculous innate stun combined a mod that increases the magazine on top of freeze damage will incapacitate almost any enemy.

[Blazer-X]

Right. The Supra's ridiculous innate stun combined a mod that increases the magazine on top of freeze damage will incapacitate almost any enemy.

Err... you sure you're not mixing up the SPECTRA here? Supra is a Corpus Gorgon... a primary weapon. No pistol mods.

 

And on the topic at hand...

I got my Supra after my Flux Rifle, and I can very calmly say that the Flux is better in the current damage system thanks to armor ignore. Sure, Supra can shred low armor bosses a little better when paired with Speed Trigger, but in terms of running T3s, its Flux all the way.

[Fenrirous]

I have a supra and it has 4 forma put into it, at that point I think is where you start to see it really shine just like any weapon, simply getting it to 30 and putting a catalyst does not do any gun justice, if you want to see what the gun can really do you NEED to use multiple forma. If you don't you can't put in all the required mods. My supra can melt mobs lvl 100+ in just a few bullets, when they get around lvl 130+ it starts to take about 40% of the clip to kill a heavy/ancient. I do feel however that it is kinda lacking behind other clan weapons, but only in terms of bullet flight speed and possibly have a lil more base damage, or a different damage type, but we all know armor scaleing is being changed so when that kicks in, supra will prolly be fine. But in all seriousness you will not see a difference in the supra (or any weapon for that matter) until you put work into it, aka multiple forma.

[Boatsniper]

Err... you sure you're not mixing up the SPECTRA here? Supra is a Corpus Gorgon... a primary weapon. No pistol mods.

Damn you horrible naming.

 

Damn you.

[-Kittens-]

I have the Supra maxed and potatoed and acknowledge that it is a very good gun that doesn't need a buff.  Ogris and Acrid are OP IMO.

 

 

No it is not a very good gun.

 

It is a supremely mediocre gun.

 

It is insanely expensive to make.

 

It takes FIVE forma to max its burst damage.

 

Your result for doing this?

 

the sixth most damaging gun in the game... if your target is directly in front of you and frozen

 

It is a glowy gimmick vanity SMG for Rhino.

 

and nothing else.

 

Look at the minigun in Doom 3 or the Typhoon in ME3 or the minigun in AvP2/3

 

The gun's cost in no way shape or form matches its output. Not even close.

 

It is a vanity weapon and nothing else.

 

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[Volt_Cruelerz]

No it is not a very good gun.

 

It is a supremely mediocre gun.

 

It is insanely expensive to make.

 

It takes FIVE forma to max its burst damage.

 

Your result for doing this?

 

the sixth most damaging gun in the game... if your target is directly in front of you and frozen

 

It is a glowy gimmick vanity SMG for Rhino.

 

and nothing else.

 

Look at the minigun in Doom 3 or the Typhoon in ME3 or the minigun in AvP2/3

 

The gun's cost in no way shape or form matches its output. Not even close.

 

It is a vanity weapon and nothing else.

 

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Yes, it is super expensive, but I think you're also comparing it to things like the Flux (armor's getting changed) and the Ogris and Acrid (which are both OP).  Also, what metric are you using to say it's the sixth most damaging?  It does a ton of damage with one of the highest DPS's in the game.  It's meant for short-medium range where it excels if you bother to lead and your enemy doesn't have stupid-high armor blocking everything you throw at them that isn't AI.

 

Most of my time with the Supra was before the level buff and I can assure you, before everything got ludicrous armor, this was pretty dang good.  If armor weren't getting changed, it could probably use a buff, but it is and the main issue with its damage (armor) is getting changed.  Why buff it only to nerf it later?  It just seems pointless.  Fix armor and you won't need to buff the Supra.

 

Also, you fail to actually give a single supporting reason why it fails to live up to its cost to make.  The OP was making the point that it was outdone in all circumstances which it currently is... by two overpowered weapons.  Nerf them and fix armor and you'll see it where it belongs.  It's a very good gun that just gets covered up by overpowered competitors and armor.

[Parinirvana]

No it is not a very good gun.

 

It is a supremely mediocre gun.

 

It is insanely expensive to make.

 

It takes FIVE forma to max its burst damage.

 

Your result for doing this?

 

the sixth most damaging gun in the game... if your target is directly in front of you and frozen

 

It is a glowy gimmick vanity SMG for Rhino.

 

and nothing else.

 

Look at the minigun in Doom 3 or the Typhoon in ME3 or the minigun in AvP2/3

 

The gun's cost in no way shape or form matches its output. Not even close.

 

It is a vanity weapon and nothing else.

 

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Yep, I forma'd mine 4 times and it kill things slower than Flux rifle forma'd 2 times. Flux rifle doesn't need the speed trigger mod, and can use that slot for more damage mods, while supra damage is on the speed. Plus Supra reloading is sllllllllllllooooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

[Parinirvana]

Yes, it is super expensive, but I think you're also comparing it to things like the Flux (armor's getting changed) and the Ogris and Acrid (which are both OP).  Also, what metric are you using to say it's the sixth most damaging?  It does a ton of damage with one of the highest DPS's in the game.  It's meant for short-medium range where it excels if you bother to lead and your enemy doesn't have stupid-high armor blocking everything you throw at them that isn't AI.

 

Most of my time with the Supra was before the level buff and I can assure you, before everything got ludicrous armor, this was pretty dang good.  If armor weren't getting changed, it could probably use a buff, but it is and the main issue with its damage (armor) is getting changed.  Why buff it only to nerf it later?  It just seems pointless.  Fix armor and you won't need to buff the Supra.

 

Also, you fail to actually give a single supporting reason why it fails to live up to its cost to make.  The OP was making the point that it was outdone in all circumstances which it currently is... by two overpowered weapons.  Nerf them and fix armor and you'll see it where it belongs.  It's a very good gun that just gets covered up by overpowered competitors and armor.

Have you read the post in general discussion called fastest boss kill or whatever? he shows which guns he used and how fast he killed the boss. Acrid is 1st place as expected. Supra is like 5-6th place

[Volt_Cruelerz]

Have you read the post in general discussion called fastest boss kill or whatever? he shows which guns he used and how fast he killed the boss. Acrid is 1st place as expected. Supra is like 5-6th place

I contributed to that thread by warning him that he had not banned out the exploitation of bugs for his contest because otherwise I could drop pretty much any boss in the game in a couple seconds due to the bugs with the continuous fire rifles.  Since then, I haven't followed it.

[-Kittens-]

Yes, it is super expensive, but I think you're also comparing it to things like the Flux (armor's getting changed) and the Ogris and Acrid (which are both OP). Also, what metric are you using to say it's the sixth most damaging? It does a ton of damage with one of the highest DPS's in the game. It's meant for short-medium range where it excels if you bother to lead and your enemy doesn't have stupid-high armor blocking everything you throw at them that isn't AI.

Most of my time with the Supra was before the level buff and I can assure you, before everything got ludicrous armor, this was pretty dang good. If armor weren't getting changed, it could probably use a buff, but it is and the main issue with its damage (armor) is getting changed. Why buff it only to nerf it later? It just seems pointless. Fix armor and you won't need to buff the Supra.

Also, you fail to actually give a single supporting reason why it fails to live up to its cost to make. The OP was making the point that it was outdone in all circumstances which it currently is... by two overpowered weapons. Nerf them and fix armor and you'll see it where it belongs. It's a very good gun that just gets covered up by overpowered competitors and armor.

I gave several reasons. The only one that actually matters is cost-to-craft and max versus output and utility, for which the supra fails to measure up on any scale that involves sanity, throughput, or most importantly, common goddamn sense.

It is not worth in any way shape or form the cost to make, much less to max.

It is the literal embodiment of a mediocre and an entirely situational vanity weapon, and should in no way shape or form ever be built unless you literally have nothing better to do with your time and resources.

Edited August 28, 2013 by -Kittens-

[Volt_Cruelerz]

I gave several reasons. The only one that actually matters is cost-to-craft and max versus output and utility, for which the supra fails to measure up on any scale that involves sanity, throughput, or most importantly, common goddamn sense.

 

It is not worth in any way shape or form the cost to make, much less to max.

 

It is the literal embodiment of a mediocre and entirely situational vanity weapon, and should in no way shape or form ever be built unless you literally have nothing better to do with your time and resources.

You have repeated yourself without giving a true reason.  Tell me, why is it not worth the cost to make aside from the reasons I listed off?  Why does the Supra fail as you have described?

 

Also, I'm not quite sure why you're so upset here.

[Numot]

If people think the supra is the most powerful weapon in the game, they clearly haven't met the Lanka and its wondrous damage.