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23 minutes ago, phoenix1992 said:

I am sorry mister Sin, but you can't use the "out of context" card, when the context was never defined in the OP propely and when I set up the context you denounced it because it does not fit your narrative.
 

Tenora is a machine gun. Do you think I actually "aim" on 50 meters? This is not a sniper riffle we are talking about.  But then again, since you want a full disclosure - I "aim" the same way I play the game, positioning myself so my lead wall will hit a little above chest area. The only "true" aim you need in current WF is during aim glides OR if you use aim specific mods. If this is the case - by all means, all the power to you. I don't need them.
 

You asked for Titania, I gave you a specific moment in which Titania devours content. She is also good on normal maps, but I find her wand of doom really boring to play. Proof


So why do you rebound on "mesa can't do that"  - for someone that uses context a lot, you ignored the context in which Mesa is not remotely as busted as people assume.

 

The name of this topic is exactly "Mesa so strong she makes the game boring for everyone else"

So... If she requires skills to pay the bills, than.. is the issue with Mesa being Boring, or with OP not being interested in her skill set? 

And yes mister Sin, I will totally do Co Op as either FQ or accelerant Ember so you can farm skill so on my expense, while I also take the aggro from enemies while you are parked on high ground. 

 

Okay. As a "fellow endurance runner" you know that 75 minutes is exactly the 140-150 leveling range, right?

It was defined by my comment which you responded to, what are you even talking about?

Enjoy playing your lead wall, i stopped when pointing at something became boring, i had the right to do it. Sorry i just assumed that you might use the weapons i do, which are mostly cernos and ferrox, they actually require some kind of skill, especially during  bullet jump.

I said titania is not comparable with clearing capabilities of mesa, twice.

I didnt ignore it, i said its good DE didnt make her even more powerfull, do you even read?

The topic name is the most important part, which we kinda go around to prove the point, yours and mine.
I state that she is by far the most boring to play as and with, and it is true at least for me.

Nice loadout there, how about you take 1 weapon? Mesa needs only one :)


Im not fellow endurance runner, i hit 250s couple of times in the void, just cuz i had fun, not for the sake of making screenshots. But whatever you compensate for, i dont care.

Lets try to stand on middle ground, dont you believe that Mesa is bit too OP compared to Ash for example?
 

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8 minutes ago, Kuestenjung said:

Shatter shield gives her damage reduction against range attacks, not against AoE nor melee. She is far away from being on par with Inaros.

Ember can run around and use her weapons while WoF is active, Mesa stands still.

And I will say this again, fun is no measurement.

So if you don´t know a frame you shouldn´t be bringing "feedback".

Well, Mesa can actually move while shooting peacemakers so perhaps you shouldnt bring feedback, i knew mesa get full dmg from AoE and Melees, it states that is from projectiles only in the description so you invented nothing new. Letting some dude come close with a cleaver is other thing. Inaros cant even come close to dealing so much dmg (other then finishers which is heavy restricted by the range) yet mesa can get 90dmg% reduction of projectiles, which is really close to inaros survivalability since she want to aproach from some range.

 

11 minutes ago, (Xbox One)RDeschain82 said:

I've been an Mesa main since her conception. And I can take any CC frame whether Nova, Frost, Mag, Sayrn esc esc And out damge and out kill a Mesa vary easily throughout the Star chart. Because Mesa is vary squeshy, requires LoS, And for her 3,2 to be up all the time, and without Rapid and vitality  one level 100 slash or toxin proc will put her down even with her 3 up. 

Mesa is fine the way she is, you have no idea what u are talking about. 

You've been main of a warframe? 
Not putting vitality is a sin in case of 90% dmg reduction, and if you do that and go above starchart level than you are the fault, and you are downgrading the abilities of the frame, sorry to hear that from person that Main it.

I've played mesa, putted formas in her, and enjoyed my time. After that i stopped playing the game cuz it wasnt a challenge.
If there was i just took a mesa and no problems any more.
Its boring, for me to play her, and for me to be with a party that has one or more.
It is also boring to play with Ember on level 10 planet, that why you do that when you must, to rush the mission. 
Even then, for the rest of the party, warframe becomes running simulation. And its borring, at least for me after reaching mr24.

 

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1 minute ago, phoenix1992 said:

Both of them can, but they can't if you use Lenz. A plot twist is that Lenz is not the best weapon in the game. Do you want to know how much Damage my Chroma does with Tenora on more than 50 meters?  Or how I chase ships on PoE with titania?

 

Proof of the claim that Mesa can solo level 200-300 survival without any level of skill and just button mashing her 4?  And you *can* do it with Ember accelerant build and good enough melee.

So you see, in this context you are saying two untrue things. I am feeling the itch that "skill" is in a perception and just because you or I don't agree that Shoooty bang bang Mesa is fun and engaging, does not diminish the skill needed for her to perform optimally. There are very few braindead frames in the game.

 

Dude do you even know how much of a skill cap there is on starchart enemies? 

Is taking out of context your hobby? You are pretty good at it ^^

Sooo, does your chroma have aimlock that you have to sometimes recast? Or do you actually need to AIM with your crosshairs?
1 good thing DE did is to not let Mesa aimlock ships, who would be better at destroying them then?
Thing is, ships are one of the few things that she cant aimlock at.

Where did you take the "no skill button mashing 4" part? Dont mix up comments cuz its silly.
Hit me up with your Ember and ill take my Mesa, lets see who will end up doing better, if you can even make it to 150's ofc.
We gonna see who will do better for ammount of "skill and button mashing 4" involved.

See what im talking about or still no? Someone compared mesa to ember with damage dealing capabilities,
so i used this kind of scenario to show which frame will do better for ammout of work you have to do for the same results.
Ember will do  good till levels 40-50max, after that Mesa will wreck stuff MUCH more efficient.




 

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5 minutes ago, phoenix1992 said:

"Mesa one shots bosses"  - So Does chroma, Titania and others. Not to mention the Opticor, Lenz, Arca Plasmor and other heavy hit weapons. So a Damage dealer frame does high damage - good riddance.

"Mesa melts enemies away with ease" - so do other frames. So does atterax yet I don't see you commenting on that.

"She scales too well" - proof of claims please. Outside of the fact that again - good players will get good results - I am perfectly aware how a person can get into 200-300's in Solo survival (or god forbid deff) and if you can't back up the claim with personal proof from the game as it is now (not with screenshots of Shadwostep build, ty very much), we are entering hyperbole town.
 

Pick one point out of the context and look how right you are.

Yeah, but chroma cant clear whole room within 50 meters with ease mesa can, Titania cant as well, opticor either, lenz is the closest one and even that is pretty far from what mesa is doing.

About atterax and maiming strike in general i have similiar opinion, its $&*&*#(%& and can clear rly well, but not so efficient if you are not using third party programs for spamming spins, its get tiring after a while, and its falling rly low after 100s with armor.

It was in comparison to what Ember is doing, you CAN do well with Mesa on 200-300 survi, you CANT with ember as a damage dealer, stun is other thing.

So you see, dont take stuff out of context just to be right since you missing the point of whole "mesa is too op" thing.
 

 

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6 minutes ago, SnuggleBuckets said:

I feel most of these kinds of topics are simply the end result of people playing in groups and having vastly different skillsets and playstyles and loadouts, resulting in one player always outperforming everyone else on the team, and it's inevitable given the vast combinations of players, gear, skill and missions.
It's not simply one frame outperforming everything always, it's a specific build in a specific group under specific mission parameters with specific playstyles that happens to shine the most during that period.

People are overconfident pattern-seeking primates who wrongly think they can tease out the true underlying causes in a complex messy world.

The thing is, this one Frame is outperforming every other in damage it can output on consistent basis with most efficiency, efficiency being moving from time to time, pressing 4 and holding left click while waving left and right like a madman.

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I Agree, Mesa is overpowered at the moment, my build can melt everything up to levels 200-300 without a problem, -90% dmg with vitality/vigor gives you survivalabillity on par with Inaros. It takes the fun out of the game.
You ppl compare Ember, which on sortie level is pile of crap with mesa that melt S#&$ up, up to 300 without a bigger problem.
Reticle is scaling down, truth, but you can basically tap it 2x and even collect nearby energy orbs by doing that.
Not even mentioning having mesa in low level mission. 
You go to neo/axi survival, try to enjoy your newly assembled weapon and Mesa goes by blasting everything out of existance.
FUN AF.
You end up standing there like a fool looking at someone else having all the fun.

Efficiency is not fun, it kills it.