-VS-Storker
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Take revenant and Catchmoon and make it solo
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vor einer Stunde schrieb Twelvetables:
For the operator mode. you still need to cast the ability once you get back to the frame and its very easy to die with out Mesmer skin and the builds I mentioned. Usually I just use operator form as a last resort when rolling guard is on cooldown. I'll update with tips with that operator form shenanigans.
What's the bug with the Kuva Lich exactly? I haven't seen that one. I do know about the rage/hunter adrenaline but that's more of an extension of the one shot bug, therefore I didn't include it. I'll mention it in an update.
Will do. I think this is based on whatever side of the screen your warframe is on. If you are on the default view its counter clockwise, but if you swap shoulders its clockwise. I'll be sure to test this tomorrow and then post all the updates.
If you reave a lich then he “ dies” and retreats and you don’t need to give a life to get rid of him in a mission. But I didn’t test it if they fixed it with the last hotfix
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It’s a good guide but I never use rolling because you can just easily go in the operator mode if you run out of the stacks. Also there are more bugs with him 😀. Like killing the Kuva Lich with reave or that rage and hunter adrenaline works with active Mesmer skin( when the damage of one shot is higher than the shields of rev).
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vor 17 Stunden schrieb nslay:
He's actually primarily using Reave to kill those high level enemies, not keep his Mesmer Skin up. Heck, he even uses it when he has full stacks! But hey, it has that synergy with stacks, so why not! It actually works very nicely when you get a chance to use it... which is almost never since everything is ordinarily so easy to kill, so no reason to use it.
How about solo? Because that's what I was talking about! You wouldn't need to try to use Thralls with team mates to crudely draw some of the fire away from you. PT/Exploiter do not fall for Thralls very much... but they do like to attack players! The more players, the less Revenant gets hit, the more effective Mesmer Skin... the easier it is to keep Mesmer Skin up!
Look, I totally get it. Skeptics look at his ability text and they think of this situation with Corpus and Grineer stripping his stacks instantly and Revenant being this almost helpless frame with a very weak defense ability. It doesn't really happen that way and for the variety of reasons I've written before. The loss of 4 stacks is not comparable to this.
OK... how often are there 15+ enemies around in a solo mission, that in any given moment, shoot in an almost synchronized fashion and score direct hits on a moving Tenno? Nevermind the Thralls obviously distracting enemies. Here's a crude and unrealistic thought experiment with numbers... let's be generous and imagine enemies have a 90% accuracy (hit 9 out of 10 times) and 15 are positioned around the Tenno and all are ready to fire together in synchrony (within some degree of tolerance). What is the probability all 15 hit the Tenno? 21% That's still pretty big... but only about 1 out of 5 times, Revenant will receive all 15 hits simultaneously losing his defense entirely and while stunning, on average, 13-14 enemies (probably most of the enemies present in a solo mission). How many enemies spawn at any given moment in a solo mission? I know it's less than a team mission. What is the probability all of them are synchronized in fire (within the same degree of tolerance)? Now throw in motion and CC effects like stuns and Thralls... now, the probability of a massive loss of stacks should plummet further! Factor in the real accuracy of enemies (which I'm sure is not 90%) and that should give a very good idea of why Mesmer Skin works well in most settings and partly why it's easy to maintain (or why people often call it "god mode").
I also suspect you might misunderstand why he's actually using Reave and seemingly reading this into a narrative about a player desperately trying to keep stacks up. Let alone, you ignore the obvious effectiveness of the Thralls. The video presents itself well with regard to Thralls.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on Reave:
If you didn't know, Reave drains a flat 40% of the Thrall's maximum health (8% if not a Thrall). This scales with ability strength, not that it's important. So this player is simultaneously making Thralls for his own defenses (1 less enemy shooting at him, 1 more enemy drawing fire away from Revenant) and also for using Reave to dispatch them. He also benefits from Reave restoring a stack.
This is not really a madman use of Reave to keep stacks up. It's a madman use of Reave to kill enemies... but hey, it gives stacks back!
Well, perhaps we understand "powerful" differently.
I think you are ignoring the relationship between consistency and practical power of a defense ability. An impractically inconsistent Mesmer Skin is not powerful. PT/Exploiter, Tusk Bolkor, Eidolons render Mesmer Skin so difficult to keep up that it is not doing very much for the player. It is not a powerful defense ability for these enemies... it doesn't work well.
I won't deny that each stack can absorb a single instance of infinite damage... is this the aspect you seem to consider as powerful? I don't agree with that interpretation because it ignores many other factors such as its implementation and enemy you are facing. I gave an example of a hypothetical 1 stack Mesmer Skin... it would not be consistent, useful, effective, workable, powerful, etc... anywhere in the game. I don't think anyone will consider such a hypothetical 1 stack Mesmer Skin powerful because of that 1 instant of infinite damage absorption.
I'm happy to say that Gears did actually point this silly buff out himself within the past year (maybe even months!) of discussions about Revenant! Spoiler: He actually doesn't think it's powerful. Though he also doesn't think Mesmer Skin is good either even with its more numerous charges!
The point of the 1 charge example was to demonstrate that consistency and power are related. I doubt anybody would think a hypothetical 1 stack Mesmer Skin is powerful even if a stack could absorb an impressive infinite amount of damage. The reason for this is that 1 stack would render Mesmer Skin impractically inconsistent to keep up thereby effectively doing nothing for the player.
If this is really what you mean by "inconsistent", then we're really arguing about absolutely nothing. Of course you can't choose which damage depletes which stack! No argument here.
But given that we're critiquing all the way down to a loss of 4 stacks in a video, to a scenario that happens in a vacuum, to an earlier notion of what is reasonable or predictable for players, to a player supposedly Reaving out of desperation... I am sure this more to this. No? The way I understood our discussion from the very start to now was that because Mesmer Skin can lose lots of stacks in a moment, it wasn't reasonable for players to keep it up. It would be too unpredictable to keep up... I thought consistency here meant Mesmer Skin uptime. It's not unusual for players to take 0% damage in most settings (even arbitrations!) because Mesmer Skin can be kept up 100% of the time without issue.
OK, fair enough. I accept that. Though, I am skeptical of your stance and your intentions.
I don't agree with you that losing a lot of stacks in a moment is really a problem in most settings and I don't personally experience any downtime with Mesmer Skin, let alone what the video shows. I think any improvements to Mesmer Skin's depletion will only help him deal with those 4 troublesome enemies though!
Completely wrong because this player has a consistent 100% Mesmer Skin uptime. And I guarantee you he wasn't looking at his stacks most of the time. Admittedly, at that point in a long survival using Reave like that to kill enemies, you don't really need to.
Let's ask him! Hey @-VS-WeebusRussus, how closely did you need to watch your Mesmer Skin stacks in your Revenant youtube video?
For reference, I met him from this post:
Well, I have real and extensive experience with him and you don't seem to play him. So in that sense, I do get to dismiss your opinion. I also showed you a real example of effective Revenant gameplay with 100% Mesmer Skin uptime using his kit... what serious problem? I didn't see any (most people are even impressed by the video!). Even better... I explicitly identify the criteria and the 4 enemies that exhibit those criteria that actually make your issue a very serious problem. Where's your data? You don't have anything but opinions, interpretations and thought experiments in a vacuum. Heck, you won't even acknowledge the obvious effectiveness of Thralls in that video, instead pointing out the vast minority of counterexamples and pretending Reave is being used out of desperation to keep the stacks up.
I mean, sure, it could be very nice if they rework the charge system to allow Revenant to keep his defense up in the face of enemies like PT or Exploiter. I don't agree that it would need a rework for any kind of consistency problem when it's already very easy to keep the stacks up.
I see what you're trying to do here. You're trying to twist what I said... but guess what, and you don't have to believe me: I almost never die. I almost always take 0% damage in an entire mission, star chart, arbitration, boss fights... whatever. It's really not hard to keep Mesmer Skin up. I did it with 7 stacks originally, now I do it with 14.
Yeah I had to watch them really carful, like dancing in front of lvl 2k enemys is really risky with him
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vor 11 Stunden schrieb 000l000:
Revenant not viable ? He's pretty much immortal and his 1&3 synergy is the only ability in the entire game than can kill any enemy at any level. His 3 even allows him to move faster than anything else while using danse macabre, killing thralls and healing himself in the process.
I'm not sure you're playing him a lot at this point.
Don’t mind him everyone who understood the frame and know basic movement tried to explain it to him but he don’t listen and says always the same
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vor 5 Minuten schrieb JohnLemon123:
Nope, sorry, but i'm not doing anything wrong. i know how the combo works, i know what it entails, and i know its application. I've played the frame plenty since his release, so i think i might (just MIGHT) have some idea of how he functions.
The reave combo is simply too slow, and there's no content in warframe that requires it. If you wanna one shot everything, just give chroma a sniper, or use lasting covenant harrow.
Reave is supposed to be a movement ability (DE's words, not mine) and it's so god damn awful at that job that you're forced to use it for niche damage applications to justify it very existence. Is it an okay damage tool ? sure ! Is it good for movement ? absolutely not, unless you use it while channeling his 4, where it actually does well.
as for enthrall, i really don't know what else to tell you. with the ability being as slow as it is, you'll often have allies murder enemies WHILE you're converting them, which wastes your times AND your energy. When the ability is sped up however, it actually becomes alright.
Then don’t play him on enemy levels where your team can kill them 🤷🏻♂️
It is an cc ability and nobody needs cc in low level
and for that to slow: why can I just use 1 life support after dancing around with him in a long survival and btw I have seen people who survived 24 hours with that combo so it can’t be to slow(almost no other frame can do that)
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vor 3 Minuten schrieb nslay:
If possible, do it with team mates to show Enthrall works and is useful in team games! Plus I'm curious how other frames and Revenant might play together at those insane levels. Well, hopefully beyond everyone else just playing invisible frames... It's quite clear Revenant is an amazing solo frame!
If that's your video, thanks for posting it!
Yeah it’s mine, I’m a lazy person and doing just Solo survivals usually but maybe I will try that
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vor 17 Minuten schrieb JohnLemon123:
That combo is only good if you give up two of your mod slots for casting speed mods, nevermind the need to reach 250% power strength. That's just too much cost for an unnecessary, situational one-shot.
Hell, garuda can do that too, but that's not even close to her best quality, unlike revenant, whose only real selling points are an insanely overpriced, underperforming nuke ability and ''infinite scaling'' in a game where the devs are afraid to tamper with levels any higher than 100.
Ehm if you need casting speed mods to do that then you do something wrong
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And im really pissed now because of people who clearly just do casual gameplay think if a Frame doesn’t work Well on low level missions (and for me is everything below lvl 200 low level), then he is a bad frame.
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Am 15.7.2019 um 19:27 schrieb (XB1)GearsMatrix301:
Just because you accuse someone of not knowing how a frame works doesn’t mean you’re right.
You don’t know how the Frame works
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I just drop this video here and show you why revenant doesn’t need any rework
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Let revenant f* alone! He is at the moment one of the most powerful warframes in this game and if you dont see his true power because you just play in level 20 missions then you shouldn’t talk S#&$ about him.
And BTW his 3 outperform almost all other Warframe abilities even the ivara+ dagger combo
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Am 10.6.2019 um 12:02 schrieb Sigma-118:
(sure maybe not the most fit for long endurance runs).
I just drop that here
"Fun frames only for low level <80" ????
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Posted · Edited by -VS-WeebusRussus
forgot a k
I don`t know about you but if i chill on MOT I see lvl 1-9999 enemies
if I go on a efficient Kuva/endo farm in the arbitrations i see lvl 500-1k enemies(would go higher but i hate those drones)
In the last Clan Event when Disruption was introduced i also saw max lvl enemies
I know i couple of people who would love to do endurance runs, but as long as low level missions stay more efficient than long runs they just don´t want to that