JackBeloved
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I'm a long-time WF player and fan (4+ years), so I've been around long enough to remember some of the darker dulcet tones that used to grace Warframe. I really miss them!
After listening to the incredibly talented sound guys on Devstream 102 promise a jukebox for the orbiter, I immediately thought that this would be a great place to put some of that old genius back in. It's such a shame that none of the new WF whipper-snappers can access it, and I know that long-time vets would feel a rush of nostalgia (if not sheer joy) to have it at least available. (TBH, I dream of a "legacy tracks" setting in the audio options menu, or for these old tracks to, where possible, be reworked into the new modular music tech that WF currently uses.)
Please, please, PLEASE make this happen.
If you don't
rememberknow what I'm talking about, here's a few samples:Old Star Chart Droning Chant
SpoilerOld Naga Drums
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Yup. Since PoE dropped, just warframe has started ignoring all input from my 360 controller. I can't even.
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9 hours ago, Naith said:
Someone on the forums suggested Hallowed Ground sprouting earth's new flowers and vegetation etc. for its graphics effect. Much like Nidus.
Sounds really neat and would show off one of the nice aspects of the earth rework. Is that something that could potentially be added?
This is really very totally awesome and would be a travesty not to include...
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On 10/7/2016 at 6:59 AM, PrVonTuckIII said:
...Carrier has both the ammo mutation, increased ammo capacity buff, and Vacuum. Which firmly puts it a nautical mile ahead of the competition...
That's a very subjective matter of opinion. I have never felt much need for ammo conversion nor extra capacity (...except maybe with the Supra a long time ago before they buffed its capacity), but I sure love Wyrm and Diriga for their CC. I'll take them over Carrier now any day.
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I have had this problem (maybe in another form) for years now:
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6 hours ago, [DE]Megan said:
- Added a generic Corpus announcer to Corpus Ship tiles.
^__^
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53 minutes ago, (PS4)demishock said:
Or you could use it in those Corpus levels where you shoot out the glass and it puts the ship in lockdown...
Why not just be sucked out into space and have to find a docking port to get back into the ship (further down the map)?
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No Lotus renders or wallpapers... T__T
C'mon, Space Mom!
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The new void fissures system really handicaps solo players. Besides the much-reported "not enough reactant" problem (which is still an issue- I just failed a T2 mission where regular Corpus seemed to be the main spawns, and Orokin barely spawned at all until the last 15 seconds), there's also the frustrating way that certain game modes don't work well with the new fissures systems, especially for solo players.
For example- the T2 mission I failed was a survival mission where the fissure spawned across the map from the room where the life support was dropping. How is a solo player supposed to hit life support AND police the fissure in vain hopes of getting enough reactant when the two mission critical goals are 5-6 tiles away from each other? Also, rescue missions where the fissure lies on the other side of the prison forces you to save the hostage first and then try to keep them alive for the full duration of the fissure, which is also a major handicap for solo players.
When we activate the void fissure, we should go into some sort of "void time" where regular enemies don't spawn (perhaps they're even frozen and invulnerable), and any mission-specific stuff (like life support, capture targets, and rescued hostages) is also frozen until the fissure is sealed. Then there can be more Orokin enemies spawning, and we'd still like a major bump to reactant drops. Once the fissure is sealed, the regular mission can resume. (Although, honestly, I'd much prefer if the regular mission was simply overwritten when the fissure is started up, since failing the fissure insta-fails the whole mission. Why can't beating the fissure likewise insta-win the mission?)
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There's a void rework megathread this should be posted in, and not general discussion.
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I noticed that when I go to select a sigil, my warframe kindly lowers it's primary and the camera zooms in to give me a good view of the area.
So, why doesn't the same thing happen when selecting attachments like chest pieces, shoulder armor, and helmets? I'd love to be able to see those tiny Edo chest pieces when choosing colors, but my primary weapon is always blocking things. And I'm always surprised (and envious) at how great helmets and attachments look due to the zoom in when choosing sigils. I don't want to have to leave the attachments menu and go into the front sigil menu in order to see my attachments up close.
Thanks!
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I was super excited for Looter when Simaris started to offer the mod. I usually keep any attack precepts off my sentinel so that I can level my weapons as quickly as possible, but having my Carrier worry about all the looting was a great concept! I ran out and collected synthesis targets for days to earn the rep and buy Looter, and on my first mission with it equipped, I noticed some serious problems.
1) The cooldown on the skill is ridiculous, making the mod nearly useless. Crates are most often together, and after the first shot, I had to stand and wait 4 or 5 seconds before my sentinel would fire again. I could easily walk around and melee all the crates before my sentinel shot a second time, so what's the point? Plus, if the purpose of the mod is to delegate looting to the sentinel in order to free you up to focus on enemies, then you'll never be staying still in an area long enough for the second shot.
2) Targeting is also a big problem for two reasons. First, the initial recognition and firing is pretty slow. Like in the first point, can usually run up to a crate and melee it before my sentinel ever fires a shot. Second, my sentinel seems to target the center of the crate, not the part that's available from my sentinel's position. For example, many crates are against walls that have columns or radiators or some sort of thing sticking out a little, obstructing some of the crate's silhouette. My sentinel often fires into these obstructions and doesn't hit the crate, even though a good chunk of the crate is sticking out past the obstructing piece.
3) The animation also seems to slow things down even further. Once my sentinel finally notices a crate and decides to fire (which I usually have to stand around and wait for), it rotates to face the crate and then leans forward as if lining up its shot. Why? The sentinel weapons always seem to fire in whichever way they need to from the 'face' when attacking enemies, so apparently the weapon can fire in a wide range. Why does the Looter mod need to force the sentinel to take even longer to line up a shot?
In short, the idea is great and wanted, but the actual in-game execution renders the mod nearly worthless. To make it usable, please, cut the cooldown entirely and drop the animation (although I appreciate the work whoever put into it for this), and teach the targeting system to go for exposed parts of crates. Also, as a suggestion, Looter-initiated shouts would be perfect if they were fully silent, so that the sentinel didn't ruin stealth, but I can see how that might be a check and balance to make players really think about bringing it along.
Thanks for a great game and all the work you put into it! Keep it coming!
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As had already been stated, Ember needs something else. She's too squishy to be encouraged to seek out fire procs (remembering Ember's Overheat glory days...). I'd suggest making her immune to fire proc damage, which would make sense thematically, except that it would still be a rather situational. What about adding 3-5% fire damage to her weapons, or giving melee attacks a decent chance to proc fire even without fire mods?
I'll also echo requests for Oberon's photosynthesis, and for something more for Limbo that's not tied to a power state- say, giving all incoming attacks a percent chance to be nullified (lost to the rift), or a flat percent damage reduction (again, some amount of damage diverted into the rift), whether he's in or out of the rift.
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When can we expect a fix for the power wheel bug for controllers- being locked into the power wheel and thus not able to sprint, jump, shoot, reload, etc.- brought on by binding the power wheel to the left bumper now that LB is
default for activating focus powers
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"I'm a statue, a cornered animal. A gate opens inside me and recognition floods in. I have seen this monster before. I have cut its shell and eviscerated its brothers. I have given it pain and measured its response. I have crafted then rejected countless like it. But I've never seen this beast so close, without the shield, without restraints. I have never seen it... free.I know I will die so I just watch with curious acceptance. The beast squats down, shovelling a heap of gore into its mouth. It is watching me with vague eyes, a sense of recognition, ancestral memory. It knows who I am and what I've done. It rears up like a bear and roars, shattering the lights and casting us into darkness. "Warframes have personalities because they are alive.
Warframes don't have mouths or eyes...
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Yes. I need this.
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Iirc, the type of hives you get was related to the level of the mission. Lasers, low gravity, and turrets were the lower difficulty hives. Since hive missions are now all on Eris, the level is more or less stable, so you always get the same hives.
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I like it. +1
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I'm certain there's a way to handle that. It's called the Focus system...
It would basically give both sides what they want; progression for those who want to move from weapon to weapon, and allowing those who want to use weapons that would otherwise be outdated in a tier system to be competitive.
You, sir, have won the internet.
This is brilliant. And intelligent. And sensible. And perfect. And brilliant.
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Progression in this game happens when you get mods. Once the mods are obtained and maxed, you can take any frame/weapon to any content and do fine. As the system stands now the super OP options are just there for epeen boosting and balance distortion.
This is true to a point, but I think this is part of the problem that is being addressed. If progression is totally up to mods, then you're stuck with the "mandatory mods" problem. What it sounds like the dev's are aiming for from the devstreams is that mods WON'T be dictation progression, but instead be customizing and altering play style.
As it stands now, there's some progression in mods and some in new weapons and variants, as well as some play style customization in mods and some in new weapons and variants. It's kind of hit-or-miss across the board, and I'm advocating a systemic restructuring that fills in the gaps and levels out the peaks.
For example: Boltor Prime (progression weapon) with heavy caliber, serration, and split chamber (progression mods) vs. Ignis (playstyle weapon) with fast hands, ammo drum, and hush (playstyle mods). You cannot take the latter to any content and do fine. Should you be able to? That's the question here.
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You are in a "please balance weapons" tread, yet you say it is important for some to be better then others.
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Yet, it is ok for weapons to be bad or inferior, as long as they aren't variants, or primes.
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Why not start being honest and direct:
You want balance, as long as it is in the weapons you like.
As long as it is on primes and variants.
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But if we are talking about real balance, the hind or grakatta (2 infamous weapons, cause they are bad), should be as worth and valuable as the boltor and soma, that is the balance we are talking about.
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Again, the vast arsenal of weapons exists for players choice, and to create their own unique sets of play style choices.
1) "Balance" apparently means different things to different people, so let me clarify. When I say "weapon balance," I don't mean that every weapon is exactly the same. I also don't mean that every weapon is equally effective. I mean that there is wide variety in play style among all the weapons within the same tier, but that they all have more or less comparable effectiveness. Then, the same is true for the next tier, which is overall slightly better but slightly harder to get, and so on. There is no reason to require that the first weapon you get in game is as effective as the hardest weapon to get. In fact, that is the quickest way to frustrate and alienate your player base. If you want new players to be really happy for a few weeks, and then feel that their efforts and time invested are pointless, then your "every weapon must be equal" concept fits. But if you don't want a huge turn-over in players, and you don't want players to lose interest after a few months, you have to reward their time spent by giving them something better than they had before. And they have to work for it to get it. That's the whole point here- effort is rewarded in a fair and balanced way.
2) No one is saying it's OK for weapons to be bad. I am also not saying that it's OK for one starter weapon to be inferior to another starter weapon, or for one prime to be inferior to another. I AM saying that it's OK for a vanilla weapons to be somewhat inferior to its prime counterpart that takes a lot more time and effort to acquire. See above.
3) I don't believe that you have the capacity to know that anyone on this forum is being dishonest, and I also don't believe that you have understood me correctly if this is your response. But I do believe that you are coming at this discussion with some clearly preconceived feelings, and that they are causing you to make assumptions and jump to conclusions about what others are trying to say.
In all actuality, I don't like primes more than regular weapons. I don't care for the gold, or the overly-ornate look. I'm a fan of a few prime warframes over the originals, but most of the time I prefer the simpler, more minimalist look of the vanilla. I don't think that primes deserve to be better than the originals just because "they're primes, and I got them, and you don't, so I'm better!" No, my very rational, on-topic, and non-hostile argument is (and has been) that the extra amount of time and effort that is required to get variant weapons ought to be worthwhile in some way.
If you feel like the alternate look is worthwhile enough, then I'm glad. I believe, then, you should be crusading in some other thread to convert primes and variants into simple skins for the vanilla weapons, and not entirely new weapons. However, that's not part of the discussion here. The discussion here is this: things being as they are, where primes are entirely new weapons with upgraded stats and additional polarities, is there balance among the weapons within each tier, and is there balance among the effort/reward spectrum that's in place.
4) I'll challenge you on this one- the grakatta is not considered to be bad. It's considered to be the lower-tier version of the soma. new players can easily and quickly acquire a grakatta, and then use it if they like the crit-based play style. After a while, once they've got the mastery rank for it, they can upgrade to a soma, which is a more effective version of the same play style. And further still, after even longer they can finally build a soma prime. This is called progression. It takes more time and effort to get better weapons. Of course, once you're above the mastery rank requirement and you've got the keys and resources to build the prime, you likely won't use the starter any more. But is that bad? You've gone from early to mid to late game content and been able to get mastery rank for three whole weapons, instead of sticking to only one through the whole way. Unfortunately, some veteran players might look back at the grakatta and compare it to where they are now and say "it's bad." But actually, for the time that they used it, it was a decent weapon. Just because there is a next step doesn't make the first step "bad."
All that said, yes, the mastery rank requirements of some weapons need to be looked at, given their effectiveness. Also, the overall effectiveness of weapons like the hind needs to be looked at, given the limitations of the bust-fire mechanic and build costs, etc. These things needs to be re-balanced. But it's an oversimplification to say "the soma prime is better than the hind, so there's no balance." They are not equally easy to get, equally cheap to make, or equal in play style and mechanics. So it would be unbalanced to make them equal in effectiveness.
5) Here we agree, as I've already said. The issue seems to be this: Is this true within weapon tiers? Or should it be true globally? I am of the opinion that the nature of the game and the need for a sustainable business model would dictate that tiers are necessary.
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IMO everything should be more of a sidegrade to everything else. Warframe should be about flavors, niches, and aesthetics. It should not be about "OP gear of the week," "efficient farming meta, or "infinite scaling."
I agree with what I assume is behind your comment- that the primary goal of Warframe should be to be fun and appeal to as wide a player-base as possible ("flavors, niches, and aesthetics"). However, if that's the case, you'll also need to appeal to the min/maxers, farmers, and OP gear junkies. Again, this shouldn't be first priority, but in a F2P game that still needs to make money to function, there are certain mechanics that have to be there- player progression (which includes progression in weapon acquisition), farming, regular releases of new content (which usually include weapons, being far easier to create than quests or major updates to core game structures).
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there is no "balance everything",and "make everything worth" proposition
Well, yeah, if you read the part about having tiers of weapons... I would guess, then, that you are the kind of person who thinks that all weapons should be just as viable as any other weapon, meaning that there are no tiers and that the weapons a new player has access to will be on the exact same level as the weapons that veteran players have devoted lots of time and energy into acquiring?
See, in a game with progression, then there must be some level of, well, progression. If enemies get harder as you go farther, then your equipment must get better, too. This doesn't mean that there are "worthless" weapons- every weapon has worth for the level at which it's first accessible. Just because a weapon that's available to players in Mercury or Venus isn't as good as something that takes a while to get and craft doesn't mean it's worthless. It's very worthwhile while you're putting in the time to get and craft the upgrade.
But I think it's silly to look at a game like Warframe and expect that the Mk-1 Braton be just as good as a Braton Prime. Then why spend any time getting the Braton Prime? Your concept of "all weapons being equal" fits in other types of games with less crafting/rpg elements, maybe a good casual arena shooter where players just pick a pre-made character and run around fighting other pre-made characters all the time. Or a FPS like Halo where enemies are more or less the same throughout the whole game.
But that's not Warframe. Or any game with character leveling and progression.
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Preface:
I'm a long-time player (since U9, woot!) who truly loves Warframe. I love the game, I love the lore, I love the community. I've watched all the devstreams, and I love that the dev team is so cooperative, appreciative, and stylish (pink shorts, fancy socks, hockey jerseys, afro's...). I have never had the pleasure of personally meeting any of the dev team, but I feel like I know them a little, having been given these little windows into their world.
So I am sure that people at DE love what they do, and try to do the best that they can. I in no way wish for anyone to think that I'm belittling, criticizing, or patronizing the professionals at DE. I'm not a professional game designer, and I have no idea how to do all the thousands of things they do to make a game as great as Warframe.
So please read the following with this in mind. /preface
TL;DR
Weapon effectiveness should be a reflection of build cost and mastery rank requirements, all types of play styles ought to be available with none superior to the others, and other stuff.
With The Great Balancing forthcoming from the hands of DEScott himself, wielding the great and mighty Galatine of Buffening and the dread and sometimes necessary Fragor of Nerfing, I imagine that every aspect of every weapon will be open to review and adjustment, maybe even major, fundamental changes. I hope I haven't misunderstood this to be implied by Scott's responses in recent devstreams and the NYC panel's Q&A session to questions about crit percentage and 'required mods' like damage and multi-shot.
As a player and as an observer of this community, I here humbly offer some general rules of thumb for how to navigate the dark waters of weapon overhaul. These are at least what I myself feel, at best what they community as a whole is looking for, and at worst a waste of all our time.
UPDATE: Apparently, there is some disagreement about this first point. Some people seem to be of the opinion that all weapons should be of the same tier across the entire game. The rest of my points seemed to be echoed, however- especially build costs and variety in play styles.
1) There should be a general gradation in overall weapon effectiveness that matches build cost and mastery rank requirements (tiers).
I believe this is something that players expect.
Some weapons are not as effective overall* as other weapons, and are therefore easier to acquire and cheaper to make. For example, weapons whose blueprints are available in the market and whose crafting costs are comparatively basic (credits, nano spores, ferrite, rubedo, the one rare resource like gallium or morphics) should be lower tier, because they are the first things available to new players who are facing lower-level content.
Weapons that require clan research, require other weapons as part of the crafting cost, require large sums of rare resources, or are 'special edition' (primes, wraiths, vandals, etc.) are harder to acquire and/or build, and thus players expect the weapon to perform better overall.
I would suggest that:
i. 'Special edition' weapons are always superior overall to the normal version, even if they change the weapon's main focus. For example, build the Latron Wraith for crit and the Latron prime for damage, but they're both superior overall to the Latron.
ii. Weapons which require other weapons as part of the crafting cost are always somewhat superior overall in stats to the weapon(s) they are made from, even if any one particular stat is the same. Why would we destroy one weapon and spend additional resources to craft a less-effective weapon, besides mastery rank? It doesn't feel fair, it doesn't make sense (from the player's perspective or from a lore perspective), and it's disappointing.
iii. Weapons from clan research or with comparatively high crafting costs be more effective overall than introductory and lower-tier weapons.
iv. The higher the effectiveness of the weapon, the higher the cost and mastery rank requirement.
*For the sake of this point, all the finer points of what makes a weapon "effective"- damage amount and type, short reload, high fire rate, crit, status, etc.- are all taken together (I'll discuss them at greater depth in the sections below) and weighed against the weapon's limitations- long reload, magazine size, range, projectile flight speed, low accuracy, etc. So, for example, a high-damage sniper rifle with a slow fire rate may be just as effective overall as a high-fire-rate dual machine pistol with a low crit chance and accuracy and a moderate amount of damage. In other words, at a given level, one weapon can kill just as many enemies in the same amount of time as the other, regardless of differences in individual stats. A weapon is considered more effective to the degree that its benefits outweigh its limitations, and there are no overly constraining factors on play (such as "this weapon is unstoppable for about 10 enemies, and then I run out of ammo in my very small ammo pool"
cough wraith twin vipers...)2) There should be an overall variety of damage types available (IPS/elemental).
Part of the genius of Warframe is the emphasis on customizing and tailoring your loadout to suit your play style and/or the enemies you face. This is fun. This drives players to play more, to spend more, and to try new things. We want to use this to our advantage, and not let it provide room to disappoint. Between impact, puncture, slash, heat, toxin, cold, electric, corrosive, blast, viral, magnetic, gas, and radiation, we have a full 13 types of damage at our disposal, all with their own unique benefits and drawbacks.
Most of the following is more or less already happening in game, but I'll go ahead and spell it out for the record.
I suggest that:
i. We should make an effort to provide each damage type in all weapon type (melee, shotgun, rifle, pistol, etc.). I can already see that this sort of thing is being pursued, but perhaps with the rebalance we could take special attention to provide for this. Since elemental damage can be added by modding, this mostly applies for IPS damage.
ii. Perhaps elemental weapons could be more or less tied to factions? Infested weapons favor toxin/viral/gas, Grineer weapons favor heat/blast/corrosive, Corpus weapons favor electric/magnetic/radiation. Again, this is more or less already being followed, and again, take this chance to really solidify the trend into lore, so that players know what to expect (with a few special surprises thrown in - "what's this, a heat-based infested sword? Cool!")
iii. Lasers (corpus weapons) seem like they should do heat/radiation/electric/magnetic(plasma) damage. Why do some do slash damage? I'm cool with the Dera doing puncture, but shouldn't those little plasma bolts do a ton of heat damage once they get into the Grineer's armor?
3) There should be equality and variety among weapon mechanics (raw damage/crit/status/fire rate/etc.).
This is, I believe, there the most work is needed when it comes to weapon balance (well, maybe tied with weapon performance vs. cost).
There are a lot of ways weapons can kill. High raw damage. High crit chance and damage. High fire rate (and correspondingly high ammo pool/pick ups). High status chance and helpful status effect.
As it stands now, there doesn't seem to be a cohesive balance across all these methods of killing our enemies. Status builds seem like they're mostly for cc fun (except corrosive and viral), and the fire rate/ammo ratio renders high-fire-rate game play nonviable. Among raw damage and crit builds, there are some individual stars (Boltor P, Soma, Dual Ichors), but the game play mechanics themselves aren't really setting these apart- it's the stat number itself being as high as it is. If viral procs instantly killed enemies regardless of level, then high-status viral weapons would outclass all others.
So, I suggest:
i. We should make an effort to provide each weapon mechanic in all weapon types (melee, shotgun, rifle, pistol, etc.). Like shotguns and crit? Rifles and damage? Pistols and fire rate? Or any other combination? There ought to be a weapon for you, and most importantly, your combination shouldn't be any better or worse overall than another combination that isn't fun for you. So...
ii. The effectiveness of each mechanic needs to be assessed, and then all the mechanics need to be leveled evenly so that none has a clear advantage in most cases over the rest. It should fall to a question of preference, not necessity. In general, within a given tier, people should be free to play in the style that they find fun without fearing that they're being outclassed by a different mechanic that they don't enjoy.
4) Unique mechanics are welcome, but need to be balanced.
Rockets. Tentacles. Grenades. Frisbees of death. Freeze rays. Cubes of death. Homing bullets. Warframe is awesome.
Some of these unique weapon mechanics suffer a little, though. Travel time. Self damage. Ammo consumption. Accuracy. In some cases, these drawbacks are effectively weighted by the weapon's performance (Tonkor master race), but in some they aren't (Buzzl- no, Pantera).
So, after all the previous is weighed and considered, I suggest that:
i. Unique weapon mechanics seriously consider the drawbacks to the mechanics and overall effectiveness is adjusted accordingly within the tier. For example, given the build costs, more people ought to be playing the Paracyst. And they would, if the burst-fire and weird alt-fire were offset by enough damage (raw/crit/status/whatever) to make up for them. What if the alt-fire tentacle reduced armor by an appreciable amount, or stole life, or just did some straight damage? As it is now, a single-enemy knockdown with a slow animation, it's seen as more of a hindrance than a help.
5) Mods. The ultimate question: should a weapon's 'play style' (damage type, mechanics, unique systems) be 'baked in' to each weapon, and mods merely increase the stats thereof, or should we be able to adjust a weapon's entire 'play style' through the use of mods?
The former gives a much much higher number of possible weapons before things start repeating themselves: (13 damage types) x (16 weapon types*) x (however many tiers - 3? 4?) = over 624 weapons with no overlap.
The latter gives players more control over their whole Warframe experience. You like the way the Paracyst looks, but want a high-fire-rate slash/heat weapon? There are mods for that. Feel more like high-damage sniping? There are mods for that, too. Prefer a crit build? Mod for it.
In this paradigm, any weapon could be used in any play style by adding or removing mods. To some extent, we already do this (with elemental mods), but if this is embraced, we'd need to redo a great many mods from the ground up. Probably, corrupted-style mods would be the way to do it best- lose some of one stat to gain more in another. Less fire rate but more damage per shot, etc. Maybe even pure mechanical mods- "makes the weapon semi-automatic," etc.
Anyway, I'm not sure what the answer is, or even if there is one. But this is an important question to ask while re-examining weapon balance and mods. Probably, the best is somewhere in the middle, like how we have some stats built in to weapons but mods can alter things like elemental damage- just how far do we want to go with that, and in what direction? Mods that let us transfer IPS damage from one type to another? Trade crit for fire rate or raw damage?
By looking at this concept, we can help weapon balance and push variety to its ultimate range.
All that said, I am extremely glad that weapon/mod balance is being looked at, and I am supremely grateful for a game like Warframe and dev's like DE. Keep up the good work!
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It seems like running some sort of frequency filter would do it, especially if you had some good granularity in which frequencies you scooped and which you let through.