ethaetha
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Well, i have been attempting at getting scans of for instance, the tomb protectors from the sands of inaros quest, however i was unaware when i did the quest that i could not redo it, is there a way i can scan all 3 of the bosses specific to this quest?
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9 hours ago, Loza03 said:
Glad I could help!
"For a time... I considered sparing your wretched little tower, the Unum. But now you shall witness... it's dismemberment!"
this still makes me wonder, what it actually looked like, i'd assume this one could walk unlike hunhow
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On 2019-11-25 at 1:31 PM, Loza03 said:
The closest we can get is assuming the giant sentient corpse on the other side of the bay is it
Sorry for the poor quality, for some reason night was really bright in the captura. Usually it's a lot darker and you can see it better. But yes, it seems to follow a similar kind of aesthetic to Hunhow, but far less geometric and more circular. Oh, and absolutely humongous.
that was actually perfect, the quality enhanced the image since it's far away and DAMN
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If anyone and i mean, ANYONE, has a picture or idea of the original Sentient which attacked the Unum on Earth, please send info or an idea, or image.
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title says it all
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so, basically, during one of the streams that had happened a while ago, there was an orb comparison; this was comprised of three orbs, exploiter, profit-taker, and some sort of massive orokin-style orb, that was 3x the size of the other two, if anyone has the link, let me know?
send the link if possible aswell.
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On 2019-10-29 at 5:52 PM, GruntBlender said:
So, to sum up, the known sentient minds are Hunhow, Natah, Unnamed Mother, Natah's brother, and the unnamed sentient killed by Gara.
Mother is coming, guiding Natah.
Brother wants to wreck S#&$?
Natah wants her fire back.
Hunhow is sad, trapped in a buried and broken body.
Unnamed sentient on the plains is dead, mind obliterated.
There may be more, waiting in hiding, asleep, as alluded to by Hunhow.
most is correct however, i have a feeling earths is still active, b e c a u s e of the grineer pumping energy into it
(and again if someone can get me a picture of the one from the plains, or an idea of how it looked, please do)
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On 2019-10-23 at 6:33 PM, BaIthazar said:
2. It is not, as it has already been done before.
3. Sentients assign their own genders, and Warframes having a gender is an entirely different subject to which all I will say right now is that they very much do.
sooo... basically your now saying /exactly/ what i said? '.'
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2 hours ago, Birdframe_Prime said:
Hunhow was the Sentient, the only sentient ever described in Lore, that attacked the Sol System besides Natah. The assumption is that any and all Sentient offshoots, such as the Eidolons, are his Fragments.
The attack that was stopped at Cetus, the Unum's Lore describes it quite clearly, but here's an interesting point with a link to the Lore:
Oh yes, I've read them, and I still stand by the point that the only Sentients described in the Lore of the Old War are Hunhow and Natah. The lore does not say that what attacked the Unum (and all of Earth and the Sol System) is not Hunhow. In fact the only supported Lore in the game about the Old War's actual antagonists is the Lore around Natah herself which states that only Natah and her Father, made the journey back to the Sol System.
Theoretically, this could be false, more could have come back, but at the moment the only stated Sentients that returned to Sol are Hunhow and Natah. Every other one is supposed to be safe in the Tau system. This was because the journey through the Void would render them sterile. Apparently they alone made that sacrifice to stop the Orokin.
Considering that Natah was a Mimic, not a terraforming mega-structure like her father, it's safe to say that Hunhow is what created the 'monstrous sentient' that became the Eidolons. Well, it's the only safe assumption at the moment, new information could change that. But to be clear; how would the people that became the Ostron know what their 'monster' called itself? That's why it's just 'a sentient' in the lore fragments about the Unum.
Remember, all of the Lore refers to even the small fragments as 'Sentients' even though it does state that a Sentient is the thing that created them they are all sentients, although have derivations like a 'sentient scout' a 'sentient eidolon' or 'sentient mimic'. So the reading of the Gara Lore is entirely included within the concept that Hunhow was the only Sentient force that attacked the Sol System.
This is why this comment here is a little off:
Because the fragments are referred to as 'sentients' too, but the way it's described indicates that only the beings with actual 'sentience' are real 'Sentients', thus Hunhow is one, and Natah is one, regardless of the fact that Natah was created as a Mimic. I would guess that the only reason that she is not able to also be a mega-structure ship is likely because she can't create new parts of herself which could be due to the trip back to Sol through the Void, or it could just be due to spending all her time locked up as Lotus.
Theoretically, if she had stayed in Tao, she would have literally built herself into one of the massive mega-structure ships, like Hunhow and her 'mother'. Or into a more specialised terraforming form. Heck, that's even likely the reason that 'mimics' exist as a function of the Sentients; the ability to adapt and change into something else would come in very handy when specific technology is needed to get things done to a planet.
So at the moment, we have only four Sentients confirmed in the system, and it's a Family. 'Mother' out somewhere near enough for Natah to reach and seek refuge with (thanks to the end of The Sacrifice and her actually referring to 'mother', then being within a Sentient mega-structure at the Tennocon reveal), Father buried on Uranus, heavily damaged and likely defeated, sterile and only able to send out a few fragments, Daughter (Natah), and this Tennocon reveal of the Brother.
And just to be clear, there is an official source on there being a 'mother', just not in the way that the other people are stating, not some 'mothership' that creates actual Sentients, more in the literal sense of a mother. Natah left us at the end of The Sacrifice to find her 'mother', not her 'father', she knows where her father is, she's going to find her mother. The Roppy-lollery fight even has her describe her parents... if in a confusing fashion. Two actual Sentients that created her.
This is, and I'll bring this concept in, a very likely reason why DESteve was up on stage at Tennocon saying that The New War was going to be about Family, with reference to 'the one you're born into' and 'the one you choose'. If the Sentients we have here (not the many others likely out in Tau) are a literal family, this could be the actual crux of The New War's resolution.
This whole thing is not to say that there are no other Sentients, nor that there couldn't be any more waiting, just that what we have canonically had listed off are a Father, Mother, Daughter and Brother group.
I mean, here's a thought; maybe the Sentient mega-structure we see in The New War trailer isn't actually 'mother' at all? Maybe Natah went seeking her, but actually found her Brother instead, and that's why her Brother is attacking the Sol System this time. This would mean that we only have three Sentients actually in our system, not four.
it does infact say about the sentient being a sentient, aka the one from the Unum sooo
also, the one via the teaser was infact the "outpost sentient" aka a sentient that creates the smaller outposts, and where the armies are coming from.
And during the quest for Revenant it states it went there without any others, including Hunhow, meaning it was a seperate one.
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2 hours ago, ethaetha said:
answer on your sentient statement, this seems to kinda go against itself. https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Unnamed_Sentient_Mother
this "sentient mother" is just the outpost creating sentient, which has been stated it's out here,
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answer on your sentient statement, this seems to kinda go against itself. https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Unnamed_Sentient_Mother
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Just now, GrayArchon said:
Hunhow is not the Eidolon Sentient. That was a separate Sentient sent to Earth. You can read about it here.
The Mimics we encounter in the Sacrifice quest are fragments of Natah, who is the mimic progenitor. She was designed to be a spy, so the mimic ability seems specific to her, as far as we've seen.
well, yes they are fragments, however, these fragments are from Hunhow, not Natah, it's truly quite obvious if you look at their coloring, and the fact they were shown to serve hunhow.
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49 minutes ago, Birdframe_Prime said:
As I've understood this, there are, at most, 4 sentients that could be in, or near, the Origin System. The first is Hunhow, who was the 'great destroyer', literally the Sentient in the Old War, and it's his fragments that gave rise to things like the Eidolons.
The second is Lotus, confirmed to be a Sentient, but she describes herself as a 'mimic', which we've seen and aren't anything like her, so what makes her different?
The third would be this mysterious 'mother' of hers, and this is where I believe the explanation for Lotus' difference is; When two Sentients interact to create a new Sentient, they each give something, contribute to the new life, and the 'father' and 'mother' are only defined by either each Sentient's personal identity, or by what aspect of the new life they contribute.
The fourth is Lotus' 'brother', who is confirmed to be the figure seen stalking over the Plains of Eidolon in the New War trailer.
There are, however, potentially thousands of Sentients in existence, all sent to the Tau system to prepare it for the Orokin who, thanks to Hunhow, Natah and the Tenno, don't exist anymore.
If there were more Sentients here? I think we'd be in far more trouble than we are right now.
if you have any info on the one destroyed via earth, outside of the already known lore, like maybe pictures of how it might've looked, let me know, since you seem to know alot of this aswell, also, the "fragments" are not the eidolon's, that's a different sentient, entirely different.
Hunhow's body is all on uranus or neptune, he sends out fragments, yes, but those are the battalysts and oculysts; Not the eidolons and volmvalysts, it's also confirmed there is atleast 2-3 active massive sentient "mothers" < they are nicknamed "mothers" because they create the other sentients, istg if someone keeps arguing this lol, the only inactive sentient is the one on earth, which i have no idea who or what it originally was, as it was wiped out by gara before any hints to it's origin and title could be known, all we know about it is that it has a size similar to hunhow and the outpost sentient seen in the new war's TEASER trailer, not the main trailer, also adding in i do agree with the sentient on the NEW WAR TRAILER being her brother, however due to the lack of real defined gender, there is something different altogether, possible, margulis is alive, and has the powers of the void as we do?
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1 hour ago, GrayArchon said:
Cephalon are fairly common in the Origin System. The Corpus use them to pilot their large capital ships and possibly smaller ships as well. They can also be used for a number of other tasks. There are likely hundreds, if not thousands of them.
You can say this all you want, but Hunhow has never been referred to as Natah's mother and is several times referred to as Natah's father.
At the end of the Sacrifice quest, Natah says, "Mother, I am coming home." DE has talked about this mother other times when discussing the New War and it's clear she is coming to the Origin System.
Given that we know they're coming (as the New War trailer indicates), they've clearly found a way. A possible option is to have travelled at sub-light speeds through realspace. This will have taken them a while, but it's been millennia, really.
They're sentient, sapient beings with their own individuality and personalities. Hence, they can choose their own genders.
hence i had said, the sentients have no "exact" gender, it's by choice of them to be a specific gender, as i said ambiguous.
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43 minutes ago, Birdframe_Prime said:
As I've understood this, there are, at most, 4 sentients that could be in, or near, the Origin System. The first is Hunhow, who was the 'great destroyer', literally the Sentient in the Old War, and it's his fragments that gave rise to things like the Eidolons.
The second is Lotus, confirmed to be a Sentient, but she describes herself as a 'mimic', which we've seen and aren't anything like her, so what makes her different?
The third would be this mysterious 'mother' of hers, and this is where I believe the explanation for Lotus' difference is; When two Sentients interact to create a new Sentient, they each give something, contribute to the new life, and the 'father' and 'mother' are only defined by either each Sentient's personal identity, or by what aspect of the new life they contribute.
The fourth is Lotus' 'brother', who is confirmed to be the figure seen stalking over the Plains of Eidolon in the New War trailer.
There are, however, potentially thousands of Sentients in existence, all sent to the Tau system to prepare it for the Orokin who, thanks to Hunhow, Natah and the Tenno, don't exist anymore.
If there were more Sentients here? I think we'd be in far more trouble than we are right now.
i do count Lotus as a sentient however, i do not count her as the massive sentients, aka the "sentient mothers"
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19 hours ago, Loza03 said:
I... fail to see what this adds?
Yes, that's the line. It is a direct quote from that religious text.
being that the sentients are a hive-mind it makes it unlikely that Hunhow is the main one creating this, besides it was recorded on an unknown area, and if Simaris doesn't know where, then it's somewhere we're not going to easily find.
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19 hours ago, BaIthazar said:
Lotus/Natah herself has spoken about her mother. who is currently on her way to the Origin system
^ 1. uh, no she never quoted that her mother was coming.
2. it'd be impossible to return eitherway
3. as i said, they have no actual gender. they're machines, give a gender to a warframe, it's still just a machine without the operator (unless counting umbra)
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15 minutes ago, Loza03 said:
Yes. It's a term referring to the Resovoir - the term that Hunhow used to describe it to Stalker and us, and Ballas used to describe it to Hunhow.
Also, it's a reference to a certain religious text, which is also where Hunhow gets his name.
http://www.ltcconline.net/NBARCLAY/courses/mayas/maya/creation.htm
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10 minutes ago, BaIthazar said:
Hunhow has multiple times now been referred to as Natah's father. It has also been mentioned that Natah has a brother.
Natah has a mother, father, and brother to whom she in turn is a sister.
This implies that Sentients very much do indeed have a gender.
also, it's ambiguous because they can choose their gender, lotus was a creation from hunhow, not a child, a machine, the sentients are after all machines.
(also, it was never started she had a specific "mother" simply that she had a "father" however due to the sentients lack of gender-differences for the fact that they are machines, this wouldn't technically be possible.)
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1 minute ago, Loza03 said:
7-8 are known, sure. But we know that a: Cephalons can split themselves and hide in a Codex and b: that there are more than just the one's we've met.
'Womb in the Sky' is a phrase that's only had relevance relating to Hunhow, and Stolen Dreams is a requirement for the 'Natah' quest. It should be noted that the voice appears again in 'the New Strange', where not only does playing the message mess up Ordis, but Chroma takes a large role in the quest, a Warframe who has been noted to have some resemblance to Sentients in his design (and of course, the whole 'adaptation' thing).
A lot of signs point to the Codex being Hunhow foreshadowing.
hm, it makes sense but, "womb in the sky" is also meaning to our op's being awakened.
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23 minutes ago, Loza03 said:
In which case, it would be more accurate to point out that we know of 4 sentients, because Lotus is indeed a Sentient. It's confirmed from Tennocon I belive Lotus has a brother and it's believed that's the big spindly sentient we see in the New War trailer, though he hasn't officially shown up. In which case, it's likely the big sentient is the 'Mother' Lotus refers to, either the mind or a really big leftover fragment.
The voice from the Arcane Codex could well be Hunhow, or some kind of cephalon he corrupted, considering it's parroting the 'womb in the sky' line that he got given by Ballas.
well, yes i do not disagree on lotus being a sentient, however, i meant this via the Sentient Mothers, i believe one more may be in our system outside of hunhow, the new war outpost sentient, and the earth one. in which case creates a major threat.
What Is A "warframe", How A Tenno Gets Inside The Suit, And How They Capture Corpus Targets.
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Well, going on the usage and how Warframe's have been used, it's safe to say they are a form of advanced remote-controls, similar to the SAO VR headsets, the user controls it via the Operator's void energy, this energy being converted into a sort of power for the suit as well, as it has been stated the void is an entity in itself, it's fair to say we're more likely just possessing the suits, though they require a significant amount of tech in order to handle the void energy which is also shown to wreak havoc upon corpus ships.