CrypticMonarch
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4 minutes ago, Ageless_Emperion said:
I dunno man, how do they make money off of tennogen (5,99 - 6,99) or deluxe skins that run usually in the range of 165 plat or 8,99? You see that people saying these skins should cost 30-40 is 3-5 times what these cosmetics go for normally.
U r completely right. I’m saying these skins should be priced a lil higher because there is a lot more significance behind them since they are you know “10 years”. Also I believe tennogen skin profits r shared with steam and maybe… the creators? Correct if wrong tho
1 minute ago, Circle_of_Psi said:hell I'll only accept it if was given free (or gifted)
W take😂
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2 minutes ago, Skoomaseller said:
Of course no one would complain about the pack if it didn't exist, because... it would literally not exist. Lol?
My problem is not about whether or not I want this bundle/the skins you cretin. If you've missed the main fking argument, which is now spread across 44 (FOURTY-FOUR) pages, I will tell you what it is now:
The huge problem with this bundle is that it does not offer the skins as a separate pack, and instead bundles them together with platinum & aya, two things many players have no interest in since they want the skins, which massively inflates the price.
This reeks of predatory monetization commonly seen in other live-service/f2p games, because now the players who really want both skins and the auxiliary pieces HAVE TO buy the whole bundle JUST to get them.
This is a silly move on DE's part, since it really goes against one of the things Warframe is known for: its (mostly) fair monetization. And even sillier is pulling this S#&$ on their 10th anniversary.
You really don't need to worry about DE's wallet, that is weirdo behavior. In the first place, they're doing just fine. They can afford to host TennoCon, they can afford to donate large sums of money, they can afford to pay artists to make their delightful skins, and they can afford to keep the lights on for 10 years. And so on.
Ok? Simple to understand? Still want to be a silly little contrarian?
100% agree it’s a stupid move by de. I’m just hoping that they find a solution to this issue you know while still keeping fair monitization.
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5 minutes ago, bedainey said:
Except if they *really* cared about how their heirloom skinline would go, they would fix it now.
Let’s leave it like this k. Skins are overpriced as hell. DE MUST find a solution whether it is now or later. At the current pace of these post comments I would not be surprised if de makes another statement addressing the issue.😂 maybe they will have another fix to the issue maybe they won’t.
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2 minutes ago, Darkbring said:
Yes, cause it's dirt cheap to make and at $1 price pretty much everyone would buy it. Not to mention that if it sold for plat equivalent of $1 it would bring even more money.
Think about it if a de employee makes 120000 a year(some person said it somewhere) that means that de would only be able to pay 6 people out of like the 200 with one skin bundle (720000 active players)
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1 minute ago, Darkbring said:
Are you THAT out of touch? A whole game is $60-70, but a skin for a dollar is too cheap? Are you serious right now?
I’m not saying it too cheap but do you expect them to make money from 1 dollar a skin 😂
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Just now, bedainey said:
I can agree on that. However, this just shows that as long as the end justifies the means, it's valid to you. At the end of the day, you're still defending them for this mistake.
They made a mistake and I’m not defending it, but we should at the very least give them the chance if they release heirloom 2.0 or somethin. If they continue this trend then I 100% agree it’s gone too far.
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Just now, Darkbring said:
Too cheap? Its a freaking skin. even a dollar would be too expensive, but here we are.
Well of course they can’t really make money if skins were a dollar. It’s really up to the consumer at that point how much they would spend
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10 minutes ago, Lionsheart89 said:
When it comes to Tencent, always assume the worst.
Interesting fact but Tencent does not actually have full control over their monetization. Though I do agree things have gotten worse.
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Just now, bedainey said:
Again, how do those two correlate?
And how is that relevant to the "screwed" bundle discussion exactly?
To fund these updates they do need money right? I’m saying that they need to monetize AT A REASONABLE amount in order to fund these updates. We can agree on that right?
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Just now, Ageless_Emperion said:
If you enjoy their game you are welcome to hold them to consumer friendly standards that don't continuously alienate people willing to support them from doing so. That makes sense right?
I am saying that the skins are overpriced of course. But they can make it too cheap you know what I mean.
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Just now, bedainey said:
Please be reminded that you're not part of their studio. You DO NOT have empathize with a company that knows, or should know what they're doing.
Of course not but I enjoy their games and updates. I am merely just trying to say that while their current monetizations aren’t good, they still make enjoyable updates that I want to play in the future. So we should tell them our opinions and see how they react.
Just now, ShogunNoir said:They are already making money; what I'm sick of is every damn company nickel and diming us while hiding behind the umbrella of 'Free to Play'.
While you can trade platinum in-game, that platinum still has to be bought by someone. And the market is so saturated in game, it's almost impossible to sell anything these days anyway. And the fact that the game has been designed from the ground up with 12, 24 and 72 hour wait times on crafting things shows that, actually, they don't think about the players. Microtransactions have been layered throughout this game and it keeps getting worse.Just wait then! They offer that if you WANT to speed it up. No one is forcing you to. Some people like that option others don’t
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2 minutes ago, bedainey said:
To be completely honest with you, it's hard to respect the people who are aware this is screwed and still try to defend it.
I’m not defending the outrageous amount they put on this bundle. But it is difficult for a studio to listen to ever one.
Just now, (PSN)rexis12 said:IT. IS. NOT. ONLY. THE. PRICE.
It's the forced bundles that they said, would not DO again.
Something that they obviously turned back on.
And the fact that they did it for their big anniversary, where all eyes would be on them, and brought back a bad practice that they swore would never do again.
Is a horrible sign, and shows that they were willing to just go back on their words on a whim.
That's more than enough fear and justification that they would be willing to abandon their morals.
What’s to say they won’t change the pricing? They might not, they might but u can’t just assume the worst. That’s all I’m saying
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Just now, (PSN)rexis12 said:
I don't enjoy the fact that DE can, and will, go back on their morals and implement a bad monetisation practice that they had decried and promised to no longer implement on shaky grounds such as:
'Its a special Day'
I want them to keep to their words, but from what is happening right now and here that's not happening. Meaning that they can and will do even worse things because they show that they can go back on any 'promises' they made to be a more ethical company.
In which case, I cannot WAIT for the return of Plat Appearance Slot Machines to come back, if this is the case.
A badly priced bundle does not signify the end of DE’s good nature. We need to wait and see what they do next. For now, just sit back and wait for their updates.
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Just now, bedainey said:
I love the game and I won't invest in a screwed-up bundle, no.
And that’s your decision which I respect. But some people do which is also completely fine.
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4 minutes ago, (PSN)rexis12 said:
You heard that right folks. It 'For the Greater Good' and thus we must accept all kinds of predatory monetisation.
Or else the poor widdle DE won't keep their lights on.
Do you even enjoy the game at this point. Cause just saying “poor widely DE won’t keep their lights on” sounds like you don’t even care if they stay afloat. They screwed with the bundle but they still push good content. If you still enjoy the game then continue to invest no? Their monetizations are right now bad but they still to monetize
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1 minute ago, bedainey said:
How does that correlate exactly? We shouldn't even be the ones thinking of a detailed solution. It's their mistake. I don't care if they refund the money or whatnot, I just want a separate bundle.
The problem isn't that the Zenith in particular is damn expensive, I think they are worth the value you get from your money. But I personally don't need all the contents in that pack. The problem is there are no damn options.
Also, don't worry about a company facing pressure. They experienced worse than this. Hopefully it stays that way and they listen.
That is the solution they NEED to implement next time and they said in the post(let’s hope they stay true to word) that they will try and add more options.
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1 minute ago, FireOox314 said:
DE is a company ffs, you're talking about it like a child made a innocent mistake, it's not like they made the decision of selling the bundle in it's current form in good heart, they calculated how much they could get away with.
Well can you blame them for needing the money? The amount the team is growing and the update quality is increasing, profits need to be high. It also isn’t helping that the fanbase isn’t growing. Again, they are at least trying to rectify the situation. Most studios wouldn’t even think to listen to the fans
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Just now, (XBOX)toughdragon17 said:
People are proposing they make a 4th pack without the platinum and aya and only the cosmetics so people that just want the cosmetics can get the cosmetics without spending 90 dollars for them
Of course but I’m saying those who say they will only pay 30-40 dollars max for these skins are what I think unreasonable. You can’t run a company with one single free to play game with such cheap monetization.
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1 minute ago, (PSN)rexis12 said:
So you're saying it's fine to have predatory monetisation then?
I’m saying they need to have monetization but not to this degree. What I’m hearing and seeing from everyone is that they should make the pack lesson than 40 USD. If you agree with this statement, you don’t know the struggle to run a company or business. To pay employees, run ads, host Tenno con, make updates for you, they cant survive off weak monetization options.
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2 minutes ago, bedainey said:
It's a mistake they never should've commited in the first place. It's quite simple to just give the community options on how to show support.
Are you implying that the community's at fault because they're voicing out? The Heirloom Supporters got extra plat just because we complained. It's not really the main issue of the pack but that's besides the point.
Not at all. I’m saying that with the pressure the developers are facing, we need to think of a solution fast and simply refunding money to everyone is not a good way when the fan base is exploding over the issue. Trust me I’m mad that it’s so damn expensive but it’s still a problem that they made and were trying to fix. Should they have made the problem? No of course not but doesn’t everyone makes mistakes( I know it sounds cliche but be honest, it is true)
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5 minutes ago, (PSN)rexis12 said:
Buddy you just admit that its fine for DE to add back in bad monetisation because of a 'Special Day'.
What's stopping them from adding in more predatory tactics on further anniversaries.
"DE won't do that."
But you just ADMIT that they would/could and/or should do it when it's a 'Special Day'.
No I’m saying that it’s dumb for them to add plat and regal aya. But I’m also saying we shouldn’t be complaining about their monetization efforts because they need to make profits from a game. For the amount of work they are putting in with Duviri, whispers, 1999, don’t you think the people there deserve a little bit of money? Granted this pack is to expensive but it shouldn’t be like 30-40 as everyone is proposing.
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2 minutes ago, Sylonus said:
"evil" Is subjective, but what most people can agree on is that it's a consumer unfriendly tactic. Basically noone is asking them not to monetize their game at all. Most people simply want things monetized in a consumer friendly fashion, frankly, Warframe does a better job than most, in general. This however, is a big backwards step in the worst way.
Of course there is no denying that. But compared to most studios like… EA, they are still listening to the players and are still trying to be reasonable with us.
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5 minutes ago, Ageless_Emperion said:
These packs are clearly aimed at people who are invested in the game. These people don't need any of the items that are bundled with the COSMETICS that they actually do want. This has been endlessly reiterated in this thread. This is holding desirable items hostage behind a massive paywall of percieved valuable content (plat and aya) that no one asked for and no one wants.
Now that is the problem I have with this pack. But I’m just trying to say that even without the plat and aya, the pack should still cost quite a bit because it’s meant to act as 10 year founder pack. This isn’t excusing the overflated price tho.
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3 minutes ago, (PSN)rexis12 said:
Oh so just it's a special day, they can bring back the unethical practice that they derided and left behind?
That's faaaaaantastic.
Well they needed money for the game no? You can’t blame a free to play game for monitizing. How else do you expect to make profit? I’m sure you don’t know how expensive it is to run a company that doesn’t have an exponentially growing player base.
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100% always nice to resolve an issue lmao