(PSN)Omega_Zero_
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18 hours ago, Caelward said:
Our opinions are in direct opposition over most of your points.
yes i agree (our opinions or your opinion?)
18 hours ago, Caelward said:I've always found Tailwind to be useful even until right before the update. A super jump by itself is certainly underwhelming, But tailwind was a launch and then a repeatable air dash. And the tailwind launch was extremely predictable. I didn't have to look up or stop and crouch for a high jump. I could simply tap the button and I'd instantly be in the air. With a bit of practice this really improved my ability to track targets during combat since I didn't have to mess with my vision nearly as the usual jumping controls.
again opposite, i use tailwind slightly more now (1-2 time per run instead of completely forgetting about it especial after movement 2.0)
18 hours ago, Caelward said:If they wanted her to stay in the air longer, why not just have a 'hold to fly' option in it. Or there was the huge conversation we had about letting her hover just above the ground for fast movement. And then we gave up on suggesting new ideas because it was insinuated that DE wouldn't be doing full ability replacements after the big Limbo rework, then they gave Zephyr a whole new ability. Fantastic.
never say die. DE has said the wouldn't touch a lot of things and have (thats one of the reasons why they stoped saying never)
18 hours ago, Caelward said:They took dive-bomb which had so much potential, but never actually served any real use and stuck it where the sun rarely shines. Air burst is nice, but It really shouldn't move slower than Zephyr does.
completely agree with the dive bomb thing (stuck it in tailwind where the sun rarely shines if at all), and air-burst feels more like a 1 ability anyways. i liked Thaylien Dervish ability as a replacement for it.
18 hours ago, Caelward said:But just because you've never been a fan of tailwind, doesn't mean that it needed to go away. You asked how much I seriously used it? I seriously used it all the damn time
I never said i have never been a fan of it i original liked it back before movement 2.0 what im saying is that with the now movement system (bullet jump, aim glide, air slide, upgraded wall run) it is not what it was. you have to agree with that. (i would like to play with you some-time to see how much you actually use tailwind).
19 hours ago, Caelward said:If your opinion is valid, then so is mine. That's how opinions work.
all opinions are valid thats why they are opinions. Facts are indisputable because they are facts. i don't want to get rid of it per-sa i want to place it some ware else (in her passive). fact is that Tailwind is not what is used to be because of movement 2.0 and that it is lacking. we can both agree with that.
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15 hours ago, Caelward said:
A good thing to remember is the general effectiveness of most #1 abilities.
Namely, extremely limited. Most of them are single target attacks or limited range aoe attacks. They are often ignored entirely during serious play if not modded specifically for use.
i do agreer that most 1 abilities are limited, but not ignored example Atlas Landslide i use and abuse that ability like free ice cream on a hot day.
15 hours ago, Caelward said:Tailwind is currently a #1 ability with an extremely powerful primary movement function, a slight damage function if you pass by enemies and a conditional attack built into it. There have been suggestions about an endless skyjump variant, the ability to float just above the ground like a hovercraft. Or the idea of simply holding the ability for sustained jet-flight.
i wouldn't say Tailwind is an extremely powerful movement function. its mediocre at best. the damage you do with it is so Subpar, all the elemental bullet jump mods vastly overshadow it. i do like the endless sky-jump and hovering prospects (hence why i started this topic and my passives and 1 ability idea).
18 hours ago, Caelward said:The best discussions were about altering tailwind in such a way that if you impacted terrain Zephyr would immediately resume normal movement. If you hit a wall direct on you'd probably wall latch. If you hit a wall at an angle you'd begin wall jumping. If you hit the ground she'd resume running.
this should be applier to the regular movement system for all frames now. the movement system has improved greatly over the years ( i still remember no dublejump and no bullet jump or aim gliding)
18 hours ago, Caelward said:Instead we got the kneejerk suggestion that after a couple years of debate many of us realized would be one of the laziest and most limiting changes. All the problems that new players have raised we saw coming.
not a new player, been playing since 2013. played Zephyr when she first came out it was a good ability then but the game has changed drastically since those times the ability not so much. like super jump it needs to be put out to pasture
18 hours ago, Caelward said:While I am unhappy with the stop and charge and the static hover, tailwind as it is offers a huge range of options for residing in an ability slot that usually has a very tight power budget.
the stop and static hover is a step in the right direction i feel that they could do more with something else.
19 hours ago, Caelward said:I was in fact happier when tailwind had an instant power launch in it that I could use to rain down explosions or follow up with a dive-bomb. The launch was extremely consistent which is highly valuable in a movement based ability. I knew exactly where it was going to put me and I didn't have to look around to get there. I was quite happy with tailwind. What I was very unhappy with previously was the neglected dive-bomb and the counter-productive aspects of tornado. I always wanted them to give divebomb some love. Instead they stuffed it in the closet.
never relay been a fan of tailwind (obviously after all i have said) but i was of dive bomb (always combined it with heavy impact)
To all of this i ask how much do you use Tailwind honestly. i rarely ever touch in unless im on the plains and even then i use the arching more. on regular missions either the ceiling is too low or my tailwind goes to far and/or drops to short from the enemy. moding for it to be just right meses up my Turbulence balance. im not saying tailwind was never good what im saying is that its dated and needs to go.
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4 hours ago, Thaylien said:
As it stands, I think he'll agree with me when I say that the real discussion you need to be thinking on is 'how would this be better?'
Better? More movement and maneuverability. Less energy consumption. Better positioning to use weapons and ability’s and it would be more fun.
4 hours ago, Thaylien said:A Tailwind Cast, as opposed to a Tailwind Movement, can be improved, can be buffed, made better. Especially important is that it can be modded. If you put it on the movement it becomes something fixed, unchangeable, all you'd be able to do is adjust for how much movement you got out of it at base, where DE introduce it, listen to feedback, and then balance it to more or less movement either way... and that's it, leave it. Even if you got better base movement for Zephyr, would it really be better than what Tailwind could be?
I don't mean to be rude but this seems a little close minded, that if it’s put into Zephyr move set it can’t be buffed or improved and it becomes something fixed and unchangeable anything is possible with a little ingenuity. Tailwind is a primarily a movement ability is just like super jump for excal. There are better movement options in the game that don’t cost energy and an ability slot. Besides bullet jump/ Tailwind with mods like lightning dash or ice spring just sounds cool. Keep an open mind my friend.
4 hours ago, Thaylien said:Tailwind can be much better than it is now, but if you relegate it to a movement cast it won't do that. You're basically doing to it what's already been done to Dive Bomb; hiding the problems, ignoring them, in favour of getting a new function.
Please tell me how tailwind can get better? As for Dive bomb I think its grate that they combined it with Tailwind. It didn’t hide the problem it combined the best part of 2 abilities and gave us a new one. Though the ability is misplaced in my opinion. Also wish it had the dive-bomb vortex integrated in it.
4 hours ago, Thaylien said:You see, the two-edged sword of being here on the forums so long, discussing Zephyr, is that we've been through so many debates that we tend to know the conclusion to most lines of thought that newer people come in and begin for themselves. Where it gets blunt and frustrating is that some of those lines of thought have been gone over so many times, and argued so hard, that bringing up that same line of thought again mentally prepares some of us for the same argument all over again. Very defensive and likely to get short with people.
I agree with that last sentence that’s why I really don’t post. Just read the rants of peopled demanding that their idea is valid irritates me.
4 hours ago, Thaylien said:So that's the thing, you're kind of... not bringing up a lot of new ideas, they've pretty much all been thought of and discussed. I really don't mean to sound condescending about this, please believe me on that, it's just an old, old topic now ^^
They may have been thought out and discussed but without execution we don’t know if they would be good or not just theories.
4 hours ago, Thaylien said:I really don't mean to sound condescending about this, please believe me on that, it's just an old, old topic now ^^
you don't sound condescending also squeaky wheel gets the grease
4 hours ago, Thaylien said:I feel I should finish on a bit of a positive note.
I did, in fact, think that Tailwind should be on her movement before, just like you... well, a slightly different way than you ^^
Here, take a read of this old thread, it's been archived, so you wouldn't find it without knowing it was there:
You may find some ideas you like, some you don't, but it's just to illustrate. Have fun!
Reading it now like you dervish ability and would like it better than Airburst ability we have now.
As for the passive; the only difference I see is that I want to get rid of the anti-gravity part and unlimited use with a regenerating decaying factor (want it to decay so you not stay in the air forever and get shorter thrusts for better maneuverability with the option of getting that back with clever game play) but I wouldn't mind this passive still want dived bomb to be integrated with the slam attack. I just want more control and reliability in the ability’s and passive.
Still reading it will let you know my thought on that note keep an open mind.
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22 hours ago, Thaylien said:
No, no, what he's talking about is where we had an augment for Dive Bomb before, it used to switch the outwards radial knock-down into an inwards radial knock down, everything still gets knocked down in the same way, but instead of outwards, it's towards the middle of the cast. Mag's Pull is mono-direction, everything gets pulled towards you from one side, this one would just make sure that instead of knocking enemies out of an area, it knocks them into that area.
There's some awesome synergy possibilities there, because you can knock enemies into a Tornado funnel, or Dive Bomb them, or just blow them up with something explosive ^^
Personally I don't think it needs it, but that's me.
if im not mistaken air burst goes in a straight line. and mag's pull is a cone in front of her. thats why i said it was like mag's pull.
as for the Divebomb Vortex it was a bad version of Valkyr Prolonged Paralysis in my opinion.
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19 hours ago, Caelward said:
No. It doesn't.
im not trying to pick a fight but please explain to me how so. I believe Tailwind should be incorporated in the general movement of Zephyr without having to use energy or using 1 of the 4 abilities. i hope i was clear during my first post on how i would like it to be her passive.
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11 hours ago, Caelward said:
The problem with the passive is that it tends to strongly divide opinion. Some players don't like it. Some players swear by it.
I would enjoy having her slam attack become a divebomb, but that seems too fun to actually happen. Regardless of that, DE seems absolutely unwilling to do anything with divebomb at all. The only change it has received it putting it somewhere exceptionally annoying to use.
As for Tailwind itself... this one is just too painful to talk about now.
Air Burst just needs to fly faster. It would also really help if it pulled rather than scattered ragdolls.
Would you believe Tornado has actually been improved in terms of reliability and damage management? But it will always be chaotic and unreliable at this point. DE already did what they consider their 'major rework'.
The problem with the passive is that it tends to strongly divide opinion. Some players don't like it. Some players swear by it.
thats why i want the option to turn it off and on at will
As for Tailwind itself... this one is just too painful to talk about now
tailwind is like Excalibur super jump. it needs to to go
Air Burst just needs to fly faster. It would also really help if it pulled rather than scattered ragdolls.
so air burst should be like Mag's pull?
Would you believe Tornado has actually been improved in terms of reliability and damage management? But it will always be chaotic and unreliable at this point. DE already did what they consider their 'major rework'.
yea Ive been playing warframe on the ps4 around the time valkyr came out
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I m a fan of Zephyr but I’ve found myself using her less and less lately. Mostly because she doesn’t fit any roles. Her annoying passive and lackluster ability’s don’t make her fun to play. Here are some ideas on changes.
Passive: Replace jump and bullet-jump with unlimited tailwind with distance that decays 20% and recharge 20% every 2 seconds. Combine Dive-bomb and slam attack.
Reason The current passive is really frustrating especially for a game that everyone moves as fast and you’re gently hovering down. I find myself air sliding a lot. Also movement 2.0
Explanation: Unlimited tailwind/bullet-jumps with a 20% decay. in essence you can tailwind/bullet-jump 5 times with decreasing distance traveled so you don’t stay in the hair forever and/or have it recharge 20% every 2 seconds regardless of being in the air or ground (Titania's may be nimble in the air but zephyr would be faster). Dive-bomb and slam attack combined just makes sense, it’s the same thing so combine them. (Also don’t want to throw away the Dive-bomb animation)
Tailwind/Dive-bomb: change it with the passive. Increase the gravity resistance and aim glide freeze time. (or just be able to float)
Reasons Give the players the option to choose when to be able to float or be floaty.
Explanation have it as a toggle
Air Burst: feels like a copout. Can’t think of anything good to fix this, Maybe add a Temporary disarm? Some help anyone.
Reasons weak, band synergy. No real reason to use it.
Turbulence: perfect don’t change a thing.
Tornado: Wider tornados that dont pick up enemies but slows them down, disarms them while they are inside the tornado and picks up projectiles to damage enemies.
Reasons Tornado is to chaotic and unreliable.
Explanation Like a mix between Ember’s Fires blast and Mag’s magnetize.
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Would anyone else like to se undertow do something like this.
Or chain into something like this
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The update is definitely appreciated. The visuals on the water are gorgeous but the abilities seem more like small tweaks to a few problems.
Tempest barrage. - - still has to much RNG. It would help if it only target the enemy's that are in or enter the affected cast area or have a lock on ability like ash's blade storm. Instead of just blind attacks raining down. This would help remove the RNG regardless of how big the area is and shots not hitting anything.
Tidal surge - - going in a strait line is good but it goes to far sometimes or you run into a wall. I've run off a cliff a few times. It reminds me a lot of Excalibur's old slash dash. It would help if we could stop the movement (without activating undertow) but let the waves keep going and drag enemy's away. Sort of like launching waves at enemy's.
Undertow - - it has gotten a lot better and much appreciated tweaks but, it feels like this should be his passive. Example: Hold down the crouch button and he goes into his puddle form. Curative undertow should be innate or have a caveat to it like it steals life from enemy's or gives life to teammates in exchange for his shields. Truth be told their is no real reason to use this ability other than to recover and/or hide. The damage is to small for a fast paced game like this and keeping other players from damaging enemy's that are submerged is also a downfall of this ability. I'm positive DE or the community can think of an fun ability that can take this spot.
Tentilke swarm-- I like that we can see the kraken but it's still hard to shoot enemy's that are trapped in the tentacles. I would love to shoot the kraken and make him mad or have the enemy attack and really piss him off so he dose more damage in accordance to how much damage he has received. Or have some other way to transfer the damage over to he enemy's trapped in his tentacles. Give the kraken aggro and attract enemy's to shoot/attack him.(this might solve some of the bald spot problem) make the tentacles bigger to cover more area and have the area proc a slow effect. have it scale with melee mods. I would also love to hear that thing roar.
Hydro's passive - - - is lacking a bit it doesn't feel like a true passive ability more like some sort of gimmick. I'm still for having his passive be curative undertow; Or, he is made of water! Have some of the attacks Phase thru him (I'm guessing a percentage like... 25% of attacks phase thru and decrease his armor? Or every fourth attack phases thru) Or him being a pirate let him find more booty. Give him a higher percent of finding rare resources and/or mods. Or receiving more resources and/or mods.
Thank again for making warframe such a fun experience and I appreciate all the dedication you all out into it. -
It's automatic when you use her 4th power
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Wow
-5 on the skin
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On 6/3/2016 at 2:34 AM, (PS4)vamp6x6x6x said:
Wow, I never thought I would see the day where console players are actually complaining that they get an update.
...I for one will be happy to get the update and try it out for myself...
O ye of small mind. Reading your rant brought a chuckle to me thank you. The reason I wanted it to stall was so they could implement a better solution to the warframes not just a nerf. Not understanding where one is coming from is what's actually chil
13 minutes ago, (PS4)vamp6x6x6x said:I didn't make a rant, but more of an off-hand comment... Either way, I do understand that we got nerfs, but overall I just like the idea of an update.
Actually, I never said I didn't understand nor did I call anyone childish; which makes me half think that you quoted the wrong post, but either way: Happy Warframing :)
My bad m8
Silly me I quoteed the wrong person. It was towards KwietStorm. He seems verry hostile. Towards people that don't like the update. Is it weird that I want a nerf gun now?
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11 minutes ago, (PS4)iBoiz said:
Obsidian sugatra incoming xD
Obsidian arrows :b
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On 6/7/2016 at 1:52 PM, (PS4)TheRainbowTurt1e said:
I hope IX isn't a weapon skin for a weapon no-one uses.
I concur. (buff the Silva and aegis)
And not something silly like a sigial or a a copy syandana with the obsidian skin.
O and there is my wyrm prime obsidian skin.
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On 6/3/2016 at 2:34 AM, (PS4)vamp6x6x6x said:
Wow, I never thought I would see the day where console players are actually complaining that they get an update.
...I for one will be happy to get the update and try it out for myself...
O ye of small mind. Reading your rant brought a chuckle to me thank you. The reason I wanted it to stall was so they could implement a better solution to the warframes not just a nerf. Not understanding where one is coming from is what's actually childish. Me personally this update. Feels like a downgrade but again that's my personal feelings. It just has more shiny new things to look at. Witch I still want to get. Well whatever I'm still gana play the game Regardless.
Also reading the comments. This update has divided the community, and into a violent one at that. One side I'm all for it, other side, I'm against it.
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2 hours ago, (PS4)KwietStorm said:
How's it broken?
All the nerf's.
I also hope Sony stalls the update. But I want to play the new content. I'm so conflicted. It's like getting a free new car without the motor. I don't know how to feel.
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Nice.
not a big fan of armor thats not symmetrical but the channeling effects on it are a cool touch. no matching chest piece is also a bummer but overall design is very nice.
OZ (me) gives it a 7/10 (FYI symmetry -1 no chest piece -2)
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what do you think of Mesa's Shater sheild or of Wukong' Defy?
you forgot the best part