Is There A Reason You Nerfed Ash And Loki?

[Dasmir]

They nerfed invisibility?

I didn't even notice.

 

I notice it hard when i try to ress my teammates......

[Ganpot]

so, you want Ash to be the new old Rhino? Thats what you want?

 

Uh.... I'd like for Ash to be as useful as the new Rhino, Saryn, Nyx, Vauban, or any other high tier frame. 

 

 

Ash's 1 is one of the strongest ingame, his teleport could need a change, but the rest? Fine. he is not a tank, loki is not a tank, they are cloakers!

 

Well that's blatantly untrue.  Ash has absolutely no crowd control potential, he can't output massive AoE damage (due to Bladestorm's target cap and delay), and now his only escape mechanism punishes him for even attempting to be helpful to his team.  His only better than average ability is Shuriken, which doesn't help whatsoever against crowds of enemies. 

 

Cloaking is supposed to be a survival mechanic.  It currently fails at that purpose, because enemies will still shoot you regardless. 

[Shwoooop]

I've also noticed that enemies seem to go completely unaware of you if you kill them all and are still cloaked. So the next set of enemies don't seem to be looking for you.

They sort of do. If you trigger the aggro they run to the last known location.