MCT360 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Did the Bronco's / Prime get a ninja Status chance buff? or did it always have 17.5? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amistyrja Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Scattergun status proc system was changed iirc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-HAKUNA-YOUR-TATAS- Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 (edited) I think it got buffed along with update 12. IIRC it used to be 2.5%. Edited February 18, 2014 by sushidubya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCT360 Posted February 18, 2014 Author Share Posted February 18, 2014 Alright this is a nice change, always thought 2.5 was really low Thanks for replies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)CrimsonShinku Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 i don't know how the status proc works post-12, but before it seemed to be per pellet, which when you did the calculations came as a 17.35% chance of triggering a status effect on at least one pellet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bl4ckhunter Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Alright this is a nice change, always thought 2.5 was really low Thanks for replies lol actually it's a nerf. now it's 17.35% for 1 of the 7 pellets to trigger, before it was 2.5% for each pellet, 2.5% x 7 = 17.5% talk about balance.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCT360 Posted February 18, 2014 Author Share Posted February 18, 2014 i don't know how the status proc works post-12, but before it seemed to be per pellet, which when you did the calculations came as a 17.35% chance of triggering a status effect on at least one pellet. 7*2.5=17.5% for one pellet this would make the current Status chance a nerf if true that i need to hit all 7 pellets to get 17.5% lol actually it's a nerf. now it's 17.35% for 1 of the 7 pellets to trigger, before it was 2.5% for each pellet, 2.5% x 7 = 17.5% talk about balance.... Wait? wouldnt this make it a buff 7 pellets proc 2.5% each 7 pellets 1 needed to proc / 17,5% i mean if you want to hit all pellets in one shot you need to be very close to your target, So...i can't say that i dislike this nerf/buff but who is right here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bl4ckhunter Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 7*2.5=17.5% for one pellet this would make the current Status chance a nerf if true that i need to hit all 7 pellets to get 17.5% Wait? wouldnt this make it a buff 7 pellets proc 2.5% each 7 pellets 1 needed to proc / 17,5% i mean if you want to hit all pellets in one shot you need to be very close to your target, So...i can't say that i dislike this nerf/buff but who is right here? i took for good the other guy saying it was the status chance now is 17.35 while it's 17.5. the gun was completely left untouched, what changed is the way the arsenal shows it. for almost all other shotguns it was a substantial nerf tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jinsaotomex4 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 (edited) For shotguns, brakk, detron and the bronco family of pistols the listed status chance used to apply to each pellet individually which is why you'd shoot something and you would light it with status effects (this was useful for viral, corrosive and magnetic stacking but they were changed to not stack anymore recently but it wasn't listed in any patch notes, RIP Grakata). Currently it is the displayed as if it was per shot (looks like it's displayed as pellet base status x number of pellets which is ...yeah...) like with other guns but in actually gameplay the status chance functions as status chance/number of pellets so each pellet individually has 2.5% chance. The problem with this is that since each pellet's status chance is calculated individually few actually procs per shot now. I went ~200 kills on my Drakgoon with no procs despite it being listed as 31% status chance. Boar Prime at listed at 84% status chance gives me like 2-3 procs per 100+ kills on a good run. You can do some interesting stuff like calculating the probability of every single pellet that hits giving you a proc and you'll be left with some depressingly small numbers. In short, DE messed up their math somewhere or they intended for most shotguns to be useless past level 40 (when applying procs to dangerous enemies starts to matter, specially if you're up close like you normally would be with a shotgun due to falloff damage and spread) so this is still a nerf unfortunately. Phage is an exception since it doesn't function like a shotgun even though it uses shotgun mods, the status chance for that is per second like with all continuous firing weapons. Oh and my loadout is Drakgoon/Boar Prime with Bronco Prime. I love shotguns but DE crippled my fun. I'd be perfectly okay with some sort of middle ground option. https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/173448-shotguns-and-proc-chances-in-the-post-u12-era/ https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/180217-shotgun-proc/ https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/177656-shotgun-status-nerf-was-completely-unnecessary-de/ Edited February 18, 2014 by jinsaotomex4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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