TehJumpingJawa Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 My left mouse button, and trigger finger, are crying out for this game to abstract away the repeated clicking necessary for firing semi-auto weapons. Sure the nominal skill required of timing your clicks for maximum fire rate with weapons like the leto would be lost, but just think of all the arthritic finger joints that will be avoided! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixEXO Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 (edited) My left mouse button, and trigger finger, are crying out for this game to abstract away the repeated clicking necessary for firing semi-auto weapons. Sure the nominal skill required of timing your clicks for maximum fire rate with weapons like the leto would be lost, but just think of all the arthritic finger joints that will be avoided! Not possible. It's semi-auto for a reason. Go to the firing range if you can and try out a semi-auto pistol or rifle. You will understand then. (I can't but I already know it's mechanics so I don't need to) Also, get some full-auto weapon if you don't like it (Grakata, Gorgon, Braton, Mk1 Braton, Viper, Twin Viper) Edited April 27, 2013 by matrixEXO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObsidianSky Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Why not keep single clicking in the game and implement holding for a medium fire rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mietz Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Semi-auto is exactly that, else its a full auto weapon with slower fire-rate. I mean what would be the @(*()$ point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehJumpingJawa Posted April 27, 2013 Author Share Posted April 27, 2013 Not possible. It's semi-auto for a reason. Go to the firing range if you can and try out a semi-auto pistol or rifle. You will understand then. (I can't but I already know it's mechanics so I don't need to) Also, get some full-auto weapon if you don't like it (Grakata, Gorgon, Braton, Mk1 Braton, Viper, Twin Viper) This has nothing to do with reality; what I'm suggesting is an abstraction for the sake of usability. Click lmb - > intent to fire weapon Click and hold lmb - > intent to continuously fire weapon These intents are completely independent of the weapon's firing mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stacey69 Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Mate learn to relax when you play. Find a nice comfortable position. Put some chilled music on. None of the semi auto weapons should make your finger hurt. Slow it all down a bit. Things will die anyway. I imagine you full of red bull leaning into your moniter with the shift button held down, almost breaking it so you can get to the next kill just that little bit quicker. Also if your having to spam a semi auto that much and so fast it cant be modded right. Semi autos have a much more powerful bullet/bolt than full autos. Most mobs should be dead in 2-3 hits max (unless ancient). If they aint then... Relax when you play. Open a window and hear the birds chirping. Your finger will soon feel better i promise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixEXO Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 (edited) This has nothing to do with reality; what I'm suggesting is an abstraction for the sake of usability. But it DOES! When has a semi-auto weapon ever been coded to fire like a full-auto weapon with super-low fire rate? Never! That's exactly why. If you can't handle the point of a semi-auto weapon, go try all the ancient generation shooter games and you might see the trend. Design comes from the basis that reality has to be imparted somewhat precisely. Everything about a game has some basis of reality in there, no matter how small the implementation of reality is. A semi-auto weapon cannot be fired like a full-auto can because it would constitute it as a full-auto instead. Edited April 27, 2013 by matrixEXO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehJumpingJawa Posted April 27, 2013 Author Share Posted April 27, 2013 Mate learn to relax when you play. Find a nice comfortable position. Put some chilled music on. None of the semi auto weapons should make your finger hurt. Slow it all down a bit. Things will die anyway. I imagine you full of red bull leaning into your moniter with the shift button held down, almost breaking it so you can get to the next kill just that little bit quicker. Also if your having to spam a semi auto that much and so fast it cant be modded right. Semi autos have a much more powerful bullet/bolt than full autos. Most mobs should be dead in 2-3 hits max (unless ancient). If they aint then... Relax when you play. Open a window and hear the birds chirping. Your finger will soon feel better i promise. What now?! You're defending the game by suggesting I'm playing too intensely?! It doesn't matter how many rounds it takes to kill an individual enemy; once one dies, you immediately move on to killing the next. The only reprieve is the occasional reload. If semi-auto pistols have been balanced by being exhausting to use, then I'd suggest that's bad design. It reminds me of the days of auto fire joy pads, and tap-frenzy sports games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aramahn Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehJumpingJawa Posted April 27, 2013 Author Share Posted April 27, 2013 But it DOES! When has a semi-auto weapon ever been coded to fire like a full-auto weapon with super-low fire rate? Never! I can list dozens (perhaps hundreds) of games that have done as such; do you need me to? I believe the differentiating factor is the game's adherence to realism; is warframe intended to be a fast paced arcade shooter, or a slower paced realistic tactical shooter? I'd argue it's most definitely the former, and as such modelling semi-auto weapons as simply hard hitting with slow RoF is perfectly acceptable if it improves playability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure_Kytia Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Since when has a semi automatic weapon in a shooter been hold to shoot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stacey69 Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 What now?! You're defending the game by suggesting I'm playing too intensely?! It doesn't matter how many rounds it takes to kill an individual enemy; once one dies, you immediately move on to killing the next. The only reprieve is the occasional reload. If semi-auto pistols have been balanced by being exhausting to use, then I'd suggest that's bad design. It reminds me of the days of auto fire joy pads, and tap-frenzy sports games. Dude... Relax... If any of the semi auto weapons are not killing in 2-3 hits your modded wrong or havent found the nice mods yet. When your semi autos are more powerful you will feel different. Yes i do belive you are playing very quickly. Probobly competing online in groups to keep up with other people and kill things before they are all dead. Relax...play with some friends at a slower pace. You dont need to mash mouse1 or mouse2. Trust me on this. When i first started playing i felt the same as you. My arms would ache... My eyes hurt... My leg would go numb from all the foot tapping...My poor mouse was being hammered to death without me even realising what i was doing. Count in your head the rhythm of a beat. 1--2--3 ¬ 1--2--3 ¬ 1--2--3 just at a normal pace. Nothing to fast. The mobs will still be dead. You wont take any extra damage or lose kills. Anyway... What guns are you using and what mods and how many notches are those mods? I may be able to help you in this way. What level are you? What level are the mobs your fighting? What faction are you prefering to kill most? Answer these for me mate ok:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitfly Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 <p>semi-auto does not mean auto.. If you dont like it, get a full-auto wep or make a macro if youre concerned about fatigue</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AscendantWyvern Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 If you make a semi-automatic automatic...what's the point of calling it semi-automatic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehJumpingJawa Posted April 27, 2013 Author Share Posted April 27, 2013 Dude... Relax... If any of the semi auto weapons are not killing in 2-3 hits your modded wrong or havent found the nice mods yet. When your semi autos are more powerful you will feel different. Yes i do belive you are playing very quickly. Probobly competing online in groups to keep up with other people and kill things before they are all dead. Relax...play with some friends at a slower pace. You dont need to mash mouse1 or mouse2. Trust me on this. When i first started playing i felt the same as you. My arms would ache... My eyes hurt... My leg would go numb from all the foot tapping...My poor mouse was being hammered to death without me even realising what i was doing. Count in your head the rhythm of a beat. 1--2--3 ¬ 1--2--3 ¬ 1--2--3 just at a normal pace. Nothing to fast. The mobs will still be dead. You wont take any extra damage or lose kills. Anyway... What guns are you using and what mods and how many notches are those mods? I may be able to help you in this way. What level are you? What level are the mobs your fighting? What faction are you prefering to kill most? Answer these for me mate ok:) Dude.... I'm at 150hours, many maxed weapons, frames & mods. Suffice to say I know how to play the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argoms Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 I think one thing in favor of this, at least temporarily, is that framerate drops will actually decrease the fire rate of your semi-auto weapons. Same with fast melees- if your fps starts tanking, you actually can make less shots per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitfly Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 (edited) TehJumpingJawa, on 27 Apr 2013 - 1:26 PM, said: Dude.... I'm at 150hours, many maxed weapons, frames & mods. Suffice to say I know how to play the game. Judging by this post, it seems like you dont. I can understand why he said that cause theres no need to spam click fire unless you are rush minded and unmodded. 1 word: Macro. not hard to makeBesides, he was trying to help but you kinda slapped him in the face Edited April 27, 2013 by Bitfly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worira Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Since when has a semi automatic weapon in a shooter been hold to shoot? Since, uh, Doom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehJumpingJawa Posted April 27, 2013 Author Share Posted April 27, 2013 <p>semi-auto does not mean auto.. If you dont like it, get a full-auto wep or make a macro if youre concerned about fatigue</p> So now the suggested solution is to use external scripting programs?! Are people here so wrapped up in defending this game that they can't see a problem, and how easy it would be to solve? On investigation I'm actually struggling to find games that DON'T give single-click continuous fire from semi-auto weapons. The only games that seem to require lots of clicking are the god awful newer breed of MMS (Modern Military Shooters); something Warframe most definitely shouldn't aspire to be like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitfly Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Dude do you even know what semi-auto is? TehJumpingJawa, on 27 Apr 2013 - 1:37 PM, said: So now the suggested solution is to use external scripting programs?! Are people here so wrapped up in defending this game that they can't see a problem, and how easy it would be to solve? On investigation I'm actually struggling to find games that DON'T give single-click continuous fire from semi-auto weapons. The only games that seem to require lots of clicking are the god awful newer breed of MMS (Modern Military Shooters); something Warframe most definitely shouldn't aspire to be like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worira Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 (edited) Yes. I also know what walking is, and yet I hold down the "W" key to do it, rather than use some sort of elaborate bike pedal system, or the controls from QWOP. Videogame controls do not need to mimic the actions they cause. Edited April 27, 2013 by Worira Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datasaur Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Feel yo pain brotha. I opted for the full auto alternatives because my finger asked me to. Wouldn't hurt to have a hold to shoot mode with slower fire rate. Some minmax people use macros to do the same thing but get the fast rate. That doesn't sound right to me. A slower mode with less damage output but more comfort however. For us who want to try the weapons without the pain. Objecting to that is a bit like objecting to using hold to sprint instead of continously tapping the forward button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehJumpingJawa Posted April 27, 2013 Author Share Posted April 27, 2013 (edited) Dude do you even know what semi-auto is? Yes.... go play some shooters that aren't MMSs and you'll find that 9 examples out of 10 semi-auto weapons do NOT require 1 click per shot. Edited April 27, 2013 by TehJumpingJawa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixEXO Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 (edited) Since, uh, Doom. Doom was a full-auto mode all the way. It works since it IS full-auto. Though seriously, if you wanted a slow-firing full-auto paintruck... then go wait for one to come out. People complaining their fingers are tired because semi-auto is giving them the jellies is just a butt-load of bull since you got ALTERNATES. OMG, WE DO!?!?!? You don't like it, deal with it. As long as there are other ways to supplement your... issues, you can always use it. Forcing an issue by saying that you want a full-auto function onto a semi-auto weapon is like asking yourself (as a guy, example) to be a girl complete with natural boobs and a fully usable pussy, without surgery or any gene-changing drugs (coughcoughdrjackalandmshydecoughcough). Geez. Edited April 27, 2013 by matrixEXO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AscendantWyvern Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Yes.... go play some shooters that aren't MMSs and you'll find that 9 examples out of 10 semi-auto weapons do NOT require 1 click per shot. It has nothing to do with Modern Military Shooters...the definition of "semi-automatic" means that the weapon has an automatic feed system but requires the user's input to fire each shot. One click, one trigger pull, one bullet. There is absolutely no reason to call a weapon semi-automatic if it does not do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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