Jabberwookie87
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I have used him exclusively with my brother(who is a founder, so we arn't just finishing up our star chart) for several days now... like I said, someone can write a Phd thesis on how he sucks..and as of right now... I disagree.
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35 minutes ago, Kromatia said:
I do agree that Revenant is a pretty powerful piece in your arsenal, but like many have said, his kit does need a bit of focus. The vampire act should have been dropped early on when they decided he wasn't going to be named Vlad anymore. They should have tweaked his abilities to better coincide with what the Eidolons on the plains are capable of doing. A good example of what I feel could be a replacement for Enthrall would be to summon vomvalysts to restore the team's shields and grant overshields and health. Maybe one vomvalyst for each player in the squad. Mesmer Skin could probably be swapped over to being an overshield instead of damage nullification (Iron Skin 3.0) or even something related to damage increases for the squad or even just Rev. I rarely ever use Reave, tbh. It's so pointless when your squad kills every thrall you've managed to make not even 2 seconds into making them, and the Mesmer Skin passed onto teammates is only a single charge. So that's pretty pointless to do.
All in all, yes. Revenant is fun, but he is quite thematically a mess. He's not the vampire he was originally advertised as, and that's ok. Things are allowed to change as time develops them, but I do agree with others that this theme was held too closely to people's hearts and it hindered his overall kit rather than helped it.
yeah I agree... I have been using his 3 alot more now but over all its still kinda meh... useful in my opinion in certain situations but not a power to rely on, or you just cant at all.. I agree with the thematical part... I get it, people were disappointed... but very very much disagree he is mastery trash.. they are just mad how he turned out... which I understand.
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well improvments I cant argue with :) its interesting to see everyones opinions.. I think I find him more useful that alot of others... maybe I am a strange player.. lol. now thematical improvments Id say is something id agree with.
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5 minutes ago, (XB1)GearsMatrix301 said:
Rev is trash. He’s literally just cast his two and pray the charges don’t go down before you kill everything with his 4. If it wasn’t for Steve coming in and giving him Danse Macabre he would be in a far worse place.
He lacks consistency, good synergy, he has contradictive powers (his 2 preventing the taken/dealt damage conversion from being used and he can’t tank without it). Don’t even get me started on Enthrall.
He’s a mess, his gun has more to do with an eidolons move set than he does. He should’ve been this awesome powerhouse but instead we got some weird vampire hybrid that nobody would’ve ever asked for.
"lacks good synergy" I disagree... enthrall can pacify duders allowing you and the party to either kill them or draw fire, I find i works much better than nyx's three because with her 3 they will still shoot you, not to mention should be used differently. using augur, shield conversion and even adding a ehp mod makes him tanky as hell, three can refill his health if you take shield bypass damage and is a decent evade. only way I can see having an issue is if you are just face tanking bullets like inaros or taking mag damage... clear weakness... tanking with shield dont work like tanking with armor/health. get his mods right and comboed with the right weapons ect. I find him to be pretty decent. I see people are going to disagree regardless. we all play differently, whats effective for one my not be for another.. thematically I can understand the hang up where he had the vampire thing they they went more eidolony.. beyond that I still think people just wanted him to be a specific way.
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Depends on the context of what it is... a warframe is rather simple, I have known welders that have welded for a year that are vastly better that ones that have done it for several years... most of what I have heard about him just doesnt fit even what little time I have used him.
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1 hour ago, Shelusine said:
I see, no problem. I know how it is.
Here is the thing, "objectively" someone who spends 100 more times on a frame than you has a far higher chance to have vastly better experience and understanding of the frame than yours. (Unless you are a genius who somehow understand things 100x faster than others but I wouldn't get ahead of myself in that regard.) "Maybe" you should spend a similar amount of time on him and "then" tell them that they misunderstand their frame ? Because I don't think too many people here have a too high expectation out of a warframe, There's just the casual players who simply like the have fun and the performers who wants to have a frame that has a similar impact to the others. Neither are wrong and neither should be invalidated in their plea if it's objectively justified.
I dont think thats really how it works. There are people in different fields or work, study, practice and time spent doesnt equate to "vastly knowing more." the more I use him the more I like him, even his 3. he is arguibly better than frames they have even reworked recently... a guy who spent everyday with him since he was out and thinks he is worse than what I am explaining I would and will entirely disagree with. Is he the "best frame" for what he does, probably not in all situations. But did DE do a crap job on him and make him meh, or bad? no. I wont budge from that until I hit a wall while using him that changes my mind otherwise. hell rebecca used him on stream yesturday and did pretty well.
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3 minutes ago, Shelusine said:
What are you talking about ? You didn't read one bit of what I just said. Also, again, it's great that you have fun with it but It doesn't mean that someone who has played him for 4+ months everyday has the same opinion than you who just got it and simply find that it "works". That doesn't invalidate your opinion but you surely shouldn't try to invalidate theirs through your "to each their own" statement when objectively they have a vastly better understanding of what's wrong with the frame than you do.
its late so I might have blurred what you meant in my head haha, I left an edit but I didn't want to change it too much, haha
But I disagree with them "vastly better undersanding" him, I think how he is used is vastly misunderstood. I didnt say that there was nothing wrong with him, and I havent used him in all situations... but just in the time I have used him I am having problems finding how he is mastery trash. I think there is a problem with people expecting too much out of each frame or wanting it to work how they want it too.
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32 minutes ago, Shelusine said:
"Here" is the thing. This is what you do in warframe : you kill or you make it easier to kill. Meaning dps, nuke, CC, buffs and debuffs are king. Things like you mentioned as "shield tank" are technically useless. Even Rhino who is one of the "meta tanks" is taken for his damage buff not for his tanking abilities. No one cares that you can sit there and take damage, it's fun but that's it, the way you increase the clearing speed or chances of your group is what matters So yes, the way you judge the "worth" of a frame is their killing or killing enhancement potential. No one said that you had to be Saryn to reach a decent rank in that tho, take for instance mag, her dps is far lower than Saryn but she debuffs, CC and boost damages to a very high degree and even provide support as an addition. She will boost the killing potential of a team to a high degree without necessarily be geared toward sheer dps and most "good" frames are like that.
No one said that you couldn't have fun with the frame tho. Technically that's what matters the most, for the frame to be enjoyable to the player base and I honestly don't even think Revenant is that bad, it's more like his kit is weird and doesn't really ties well. But it doesn't remove objective balance out of the equation and shouldn't prevent players who care about such balance to ask for possible changes to make their frame get out of the mediocre/decent category. It doesn't change anything for you, it changes a lot for them.
I didnt just theorize his usage... I used it.. so 100% of what you said is your opinion. to each their own. as far as killing things... he can kill, he has weapons... his abilities are used to kill ultimately.. so he is a warframe. I have explained it several times now on how I use him.. and I find that it works.. so it is what it is. like you said, I find him fun and thats what matters:) I just think he is a little more difficult to build.
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14 minutes ago, JohnLemon123 said:
It's not so much about whether he's actually good as it is about his current kit when considering his alleged ''theme''
He's all over the place, unfocused, and has no clear gameplay loop beyond ''press 2, then press 4 or spam 1 and 3''
On top of that, half of his kit feels like it belongs on another warframe (those being his first and third) and while the other half hits the mark visually and thematically, they're both awfully boring and offer little to no player input. The thrall mechanic feels tacked on for the sake of shoehorning the pseudo-vampire aspect onto a warframe that had no business being associated with it.
And worst of all, it didn't need to happen. think about the eidolons and their boss fights, think about all the kinds of crazy warframe abilities that could've been created based on them. let's just quicly run over a small list. he could've had, among others :
- The eidolon arm swipe
- The ''slam'' followed by an eruption
- The stomp(s)
- The teralyst starfall
- The vomvalyst heeding call
- The homing explosive bullets
- The gauntulyst's protective shell
- The gautulyst's skylasers
- The hydrolyst's acid rain
- The hydrolyst's buildup nukes
- The hydrolyst's ''bloom portal'' that summons and buffs vomvalysts
Obviously, only some of those abilities could've made it, but that besides the point. what i'm getting at is this : there was more than enough source material to develop into a full-fledged, unique kit. but what did we get instead ?
conjectures and workarounds, because someone couldn't let go :
- Enthrall : well, sentients (not eidolons) could technically control orokin tech, so it's possible that they could mind control people
- Mesmer skin : it kinda acts like an eidolon armor, maybe ?
- Reave : it sorta works like a vomvalyst charge i guess ? and that's only after it's effects changed.
- Danse macabre : it's similar to gauntulyst's rotating lasers, but i wager that's nore of an accident than anything.
So to answer your statement : is revenant any good ? sure, he's alright. But he's a mess.
one thing I will agree with you on is thematically he is a mess.. you can tell they had an idea for him and then changed it last minute.. but if done right, and with the right mods... he works very well... as far as his abilities seeming like they belong on other frames... yes and no... but how many frames have similar abilities with their own flavor? really can't complain about that much. I see people comparing him to nyx and that his 4 is like mirages 4 but.. his 4 will bolster his shields.. the idea is when the thralls group up on you... you pop it, kill them, boost your shields.. the fonts cc and shoot stuffs.. his 2 cc'c who ever hits him and you can keep refreshing the stacks.. his 1 in my opinion is 1000 times more usful than nyx... it completely pacifies them(toward allies), they infect others and draw aggro, can leech the shields and damage them... making it awesome on big baddies. my only complaint is 3 but it heals him and allows him to pass through duders if you are cornered so.. I assume they wanted to have it stick to a tanky type usage but I wouldnt complain if it was completely replaced. all his abilities can be used in situations they are good in.. and synergize, how in the hell is that not good enough lol?
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as a note, they may have tweeked some of this stuff on the latest update unoted... I am not running in to as many problems... or getting attacked by series of explosions from supersayian god bots... ofcouse I only run tanky frames since
... but to re-explain I meant this post to show that some of the mechanics just maybe need tweeking... not a wide broad nerf.. hell maybe even up scale things here and there if need be.. if you are having trouble Id only run in groups with glassy frames... if you are solo... tank way up. I just want to help make fortuna as fun as possible:)
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2 minutes ago, NinjaZeku said:
... so what is he, then? What's the reason to choose Revenant over all other Frames?
(Other than just that you find his abilities fun, which is of course a totally fine reason to play any Frame.)Nobody (worth listening to) is saying he's not usable, but ultimately,
the "complete package" falls very much flat compared to (most, lol e.g. Wukong) other Frames, I find.Idk guy lol "I" find him useful... if you want to run other frames... thats your thing... like I said, to each their own... he might not be your cup of tea, we all like and dislike different stuff and have different play styles... I take all youtube reviewers with a grain of salt because alot of time just sit in the simulacrum and think that is the end all be all test. no. he is more CC ish and his ability to pacify targets completely and able to damage them I find extremely useful, and tanky with an augur set up.... but where, why and how you use him is up to you... lots of frames and favors on how things get done. I just disagree that he is trash and not all frames are direct DPS... hence why I think using that as a scale is trash.
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also another interesting note is if the only enemies left are entralled ones on a defense... it will move to the next round. It doesnt hold the timer... not sure if thats widely known... also mark targets like nox...(so it shows ally) so you know when he goes aggro again so you can re pop1! and kill him or whatever you please.
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13 minutes ago, NinjaZeku said:
He's decently tanky and can deal ~good damage, if in a weird / limited way.
But that's it already, half his abilities are just not worth using,
other Frames can nuke the map faster / without LOS restrictions,
and / or bring more to the Squad support-wise."other frames can nuke the map faster"
heres the thing... are all the frames on "nuking" scale? I mean if you are comparing flat dps to other frames and thats the way you play then I'd understand how he and other frames would be underwhelming. But thats not the comparison I was trying to make. I don't think he is a dps or "nuke" frame... his 4 is really it for damage and I don't think it was meant to compete with frames like saryn.
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yeah, way upper levels I could see the game change probably.. not something I have tried (like in sorties, arbs)... but I am just kinda meaning him in a "everyday use kinda way." I wanted to mention this because I have seen people struggle with him and say hes trash... he may need some tweeking but I think hes pretty good when used the right way.
Edit: sorry meant to quote you shenryujin
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basically I use augar and a balanced build leaning mostly on strength but no negitives and 2 forma(sofar)... makes him a damn good shield tank... his 1, as brizom(I think that how his name is spelt) put it, " a cheap knock off of nyx's 1" I entirely disagree with.... using him tactically and the right weapon set up, he can cause enough chaos to take the heat off the party and use his 1 to entirely passify targets like Nox and bombards and pop them if you like and you can spam the hell out of it. Its not really meant to be used like nekros or nyx. his 2 you can refresh over and over and any hits put dudes to sleep, allowing you the 1 them or kill them..his 3 is meh... but if you need to pass though mobs in a pinch I guess... and his 4 is his 4.. one thing id like to mention is after say a defense round... the thralls run back to him.. push 4 and clean house and boosts your shield... idk... I don't like to over explain because id probably have to make a video to showcase what I am saying propery and its not my goal to cause arguments, as threads like these tend to cause.. to each their own... used in the right situation he is fun and useful as hell from what I have experienced.. anyone can add me in game and I can show better than explain.
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"They are mostly infested" is a point I agree with, Ballas explains this... what "metal" they do have on them armor and blade wise is also flesh... you see this with umbra and weapons like the skana. Now I guess they top off the warframes with cybernetics tp make them a finished product..., even the orokin towers are basically organic.. as you see in cetus. Think reapers from mass effect I suppose. I suppose if you arent a fan of that art style then the corpus themed tennogen skins sound like I goto for ya.. like the one for nova.
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after finially getting him and finding a build.. I've seen a few youtube videos and people saying he is mastery trash... um. I disagree
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when turning off prime armor details the right shoulder prime detail shows up and when turned on it removes the torso to default. As shown in link.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1594377925
https://steamcommunity.com/id/jabberwookie87/screenshot/945091928695085387
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I think you play a different version.
I am not saying over all damage in fortuna should be nerfed.. there is just some mechanics that need taken a look at... One test I did was with a specific damn near unkillable valkyr build I have... there is a bug( i think its a bug) where you will get hit by a (edit: homing undodge-ible) missile barrage that if you can tank the damage, it will send you into orbit from being hit about 20 times in about 1 second. It's unbalanced.. period.. think I am unskilled? by all means add me as a friend ingame.. I am not shy.
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On 2018-11-25 at 3:09 PM, (XB1)FineSquirrel27 said:
but nobody wants harrow when we could just be getting better frames.
??? Harrow is probably the best support warframe in the game... he just takes experience use... you can't button spam him like others... he is absoluting amazing for casting frames because you will have damn near unlimited energy if he is in your group and being used correctly. I think a lot of your issue is that you are just inexperienced, I'd just post for some help or ask how to run these frames.... I didn't die a single time during Chains of Harrow. you just have to run... that's the mechanic, same with the end... avoid and run.
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I would just test the damage of the units compared to their star chart counter parts... the basic enemies like crewmen and moas are way more scary that the elite units... that's where the crazy damage is coming from... we even took down a big ass yellow orbs spider with ease(by comparison), where as the basic units will damn near one shot you if you are on the more casty untanky frames. I think that's the units that was over tuned and probably over looked when they went to nerf it the first time. all of us are MR 22 and up so its not that lol... more casty frames especially get frustrating because its like playing 60+ when its only 30 when it comes to the more basic units. they might as well take your shields and health numbers away and just give you a single Zelda heart.
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Me and a clanmate(edit) got a fail on a fortuna bounty because of this bad ass yellow orb spider with a whirlwind of guns on its back(sorry I don't know its actual name) appearing out of no where... so we fixed our attention on it and it was rather challenging. After about 5 mins we took it down and it literally dropped nothing... not a single thing? its effectively a mini boss.. this screams of being a bug.
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I don't think it his internet... I have a 800Mbit expensive ass connect and this happens alot... its always when someone quits the match and happens to be the p2p host. IDK about the support mistreating him but its a 100% issue. you should be at least rewarded what you earned or relics and spent items returned.
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I have never had a riven drop... and this is coming from someone that's logged over 1500 hours play time.
... but to re-explain I meant this post to show that some of the mechanics just maybe need tweeking... not a wide broad nerf.. hell maybe even up scale things here and there if need be.. if you are having trouble Id only run in groups with glassy frames... if you are solo... tank way up. I just want to help make fortuna as fun as possible:)
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Yeah this needs to be changed... I hit a wall with them and just check every now and then to see if ticker has them and just logging now.. because I cant handle running bounty 3 number 689 while dozing off... fortuna at this point is about all of my progession I need at this point... cetus I stopped running the bounties a long long time ago and just fish and stuffs if need be... and I am not hating on DE to postface. I just think things like this is where you get players dropping off.. causes burn out on whats supposed to be new and fun. Id get it if it was the advanced and/or fam ones but this is silly and we lose potentially alot of daily standing. Hell id rather just go spam dark sectors and relics or orokin at this point, 100 times more rewarding via time. There needs to be more of a pull to make it gated like that... more missions that are unique, maybe get them for animals? allow ticker to have them more even at maybe a higher price if need be? or something to that effect. (as a note of feedback)