Othergrunty
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The feet part of the sparing weapons have, in my opinion, always been a visual weak point in how weird they look. Because imagine an MMA fighter who not only wears boxing gloves on their hands, but also boxing gloves on their feet.
Of course there is the problem on how to make sense of a sparing weapon making a Warframe punch and kick, but only the punches have a weapon attached to it. But i would assume that amount of logic would not be much of a deal breaker for most players in a game about space ninja fighting clones, robots and nano-tech mutants on space ships on the surface of venus.
So i say it's long ovredue to at least allow the feet part to be switched off. I think hardly anyone will complain about their Warframes being able to make an enemy explode by hitting them with their "unprotected" (as much as we can say that with freaking Warframes) feet.
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You know. Whenever i thought they could add an elevator to the Orbiter, so players could enter an expanded area of the ship, that was actualy where i would have placed it.
Also makes one wonder about the size of the Orbiter again. From the concept art i think a corvette type of ship could actualy fit underneath it quite well.
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Before i start. I am entirely aware of the fact that the lore/story in Warframe is not set in stone. That while the developers seems to have a vision of how everything is meant to click together, that it does not appear to be a blueprint as much as a series of notes and pictures pinned to a wall with the words "Something like this!" written over it.
So i understand that some players will see talking about the lore and interal dynamics of the Warframe universe as redundant, since the whole thing can also be seen as just an excuse to kill stuff, loot stuff and build stuff.
As for me. I like games with interesting looking or at least well thought out backstory, even if it's just an excuse and Warframe is no exception. So let's proceed.
The Tenno's perception/view on history must be quite sad, since while they are physicaly (and perhaps even still mentaly) teenagers they allready lived through at least 3 different eras of the solar system.
Imagine being born in the Roman Republic, sleeping into the Roman Empire, sleeping (and causing) the fall of Rome and sleeping again until you awake during the 30 Year War in the Holy Roman Empire (i'm aware that was in today's Germany and not Italy).
To put this further into perspective let's roughly summarize the eras of the Origins System (our solar system) in Warframe based on what we know.
Of course there is the elephant in the room, that we have ZERO information on the passage of years or even how far in the future the whole story is set. So we don't know how long the Orokin empire existed, how much time passed between major events and how old anyone actualy is... except Darvo Bek with his 110+ years which in Corpus terms seems to be the counterpart to mid 20's it seems. Which at least means the fall of the Orokin was a lot longer away than that.
1. Pre Orokin Era:
The grant ??? because we have next to no informations about this time. Apperently not much knowledge from this time remained since next to nothing from our own era or even our past seems to have survived, except a few concepts, words and lots of weapon designs. Just that something happend which devestated Earth to the point where a genetically engineered jungle was planted to clean the whole thing up.
2. The Rise of the Orokin:
Another unkown time. But at least we know what happend here in general. The Orokin came to be the dominant culture of the solar system, they build or at least expended the solar rail network which allows common FTL travel inside the solar system and started attempts to terra form multiple plants.
3. The Age of the Orokin:
Now about this era we know the general basics except it's length. The Orokin ruled most of the solar system. They were jerks to everyone they percieved beneath them. They decided that the solar system was too smelly for them and they would need to go to the Tau System and experimented with different methods to get there. This was the time the Zariman incident happend and the proto-Sentients were send on their way.
Of course the question would be in which order the later happend. We know the Zariman was a colony ship meant to go to Tau. But not if it was the failed attempt mentioned in the Crewmen Synthesis entry, which revealed Ballas creating the proto-Sentients, or if the Zariman was the first ship meant to go through the Tau solar rail and the Sentients cut them off leaving them in the Void.
My personal guess is, that the Zariman was a pre-sentient attempt using a wild void jump without the safety of the solar rails which as we know failed hard.
4. The Old War:
Another better know timeframe. The Sentients appeared in the solar system. They went to war with the Orokin for to us still unknown reasons. They turned the Orokin's tech against them forcing them to go for desperate measures. From using low tech equipped conscripted soldiers, making Grineer (normaly barely self aware slave workers) warriors, weaponizing the Technocyte organism as agressive Infestation including trying to make super soldiers out of it, to finaly combining the failed super soldiers with the Tenno resulting in the Warframes as we know them.
We don't know exactly how it ended. Only that the Orokin thought they won via the Tenno and that the Sentients did not attack the solar system again afterwards.
5. The Fall of the Orokin:
The Tenno killed the Orokin leadership, resulting in the collapse of the empire. While the Tenno remained for a while to clean some things up like destroying the Infestation as best as they could (thanks a lot Doctor Tengus for ruining that!) they eventualy went to cryo sleep.
The Corpus eventualy rose to power as those who could still maintain and controll the solar rail network, gaining a monopoly on mass trade. The Grineer rose to power via recovering Orokin cloning tech and well going to war with everyone thanks to large numbers and functional if rough weapons and technology.
6. The Return of the Tenno:
Luke Skywalker returns to his home planet to save his friend Han Solo with the help of Leia, Chewie, Lando and the droids in an elaborate... sorry wrong setting.
The Tenno awake from cryosleep and the events of the quests happens. Basicly were we are now.
That's 4 eras the Tenno allready experienced in some form. 4 major changes they experienced in some way. Everything they knew as "normal" was gone the moment the Zariman incident happend. Everything afterwards were constant changes and long periods of sleeping through that. That's something which must take a toll on someone's percpeption of history and the Tenno only have now to actualy finaly take the whole thing in.
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Some interesting bit about the Zariman Incident.
If the Zariman was lost in the void and did not return before the Sentients were send to Tau, we can actualy speculate that the ship was in the Void much longer than what the Tenno experienced or how they physicaly look. Perhaps it was a case of day within year without. But that too means that by the time the later Tenno returned from the Void with the Zariman, everyone they knew or were related to might have allready died of old age.
Even if the Zariman returned before the Sentients were send to Tau with what is hinted to be sub-light speed, it means the Tenno were sleeping through decades if not centuries before the Old War even happend. That's another layer of totaly missed time and events.
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Just let it collect dust in my inventory until we can actualy see where the whole Umbral thing is going and if it will actualy be worth modifying Warframes or weapons for.
Also waiting until i collect enough to actualy have enough polarities to add all umbra mods. -
DE has in the past been willing to bring something back they removed, which players neverless liked (top down solar map or charge attacks for example), however usualy under the idea of doing it new.
So i could actualy see them bringing the alert mission idea back as complementary part to the new nightwave system.
Like have the old randomized mission that pop up regulary for a limited time. But instead of credits, items or resources you get a smaller amount of standing or trade in creds. While these would be droplettes in the ocean so to speak, they would provide an additional source people could do on the fly or between their regular routine again.
Or maybe even add side objectives (team counted) you need to fullfill in these alerts to gain the extra rewards.
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Some would point towards Rell as example of a Tenno who aged and died without cryo sleep. However the quest makes it not apperent if he physicaly aged outside of the cryo pod or if he simply started to fade out after being disconnected from the void.
For all we know they could be ageless, but not immortal.
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Could you please show us the quote from The Sacrifice quest where it's directly stated that all prototypes or first versions of each Warframe were made in prime design?
Because i can't recall that anywhere in the quest or in general seeing how the quest only revealed the source of the Warframes creation in general and the creation of Umbra, who is NOT a Prime Excalibur, in particular.
Also the Primes are not one of a kind unique models as you say. Primes and Normal Warframes are both mass production models! Hence why we are digging their parts out of relics in mass. We don't know their numbers, but it's clear that they were not uncommon because there were clearly enough parts that we can still find spares in relics long after the fall of the Orokin.
Not to forget that there is a lucrative trade going on for prime parts as evident by Baro Ki'Teer and he was active for quite some time too.
No information regarding the Prime Warframes, i have seen in game or in the trailers, tells us that they are one of a kind versions hand crafted as singular examples and first of their kinds. Instead i see plenty of evidence that they were produced in large quantities, like every other gold, white or black ornamented object in the Orokin age.
It's just a general assumption you find among many players that they are super prototypes because they are shinier and have a better performance than the "normal" variant, which many seem to link to the cliché from mecha anime like Gundam were a prototype is always miles ahead compared to the mass production model and more elaborate designed.
But no direct evidence for such a chain of creation can be found in Warframe, as far as i could see in the past 5 years.
Sure some like to use gun descriptions like Burston Prime to propose that the same is true for the Warframes. But Warframes and weapons are two different beasts. So as long as no Warframe description says "This Prime was there first! The other versions are just cheap knockoffs" like what Burston Prime's says. We can't use that evidence.
Infact the various quest we have gotten over the year for Warframes like Mirage, Limbo, Titania, Chroma, Inaros and others, never mention primes at all or when we rebuild the parts of the lost "original" Warframes. The quests actualy make it sound like what we create are PERFECT copies of the originals.
So i would say there is a stronger case for our "normal" versions being actualy perfect replicas of the original prototypes and it was the Primes who were the first replicas, made with improvements over the prototypes or just plain better materials.
Actualy Ballas narration in the trailer sound like a guy trying to make a sales pitch for his new cars to his superiors. Even making it sound like he made them, while we have evidence of other people making entire Warframes on their own for the Orokin.
If we go by that logic. Than the chain of creation was more likely: 1. Individual prototype. -> 2a. Prime model modified via Ballas.
1. Individual prototype. ->2b. Regular model made by the Tenno themself.
This actualy opens the door quite well for a Nidus Prime aswell. Since Ballas might have modified it's appearance before sending it to mass production. While the original prototype somehow ended up with the people at Eris.
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If i recal right they actualy had added a toggle option for the vaulting.
In the end, it seems they felt that while it looked dynamic it wasn't working well with the speed of the game.
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As tyranno said. A pure healing gun would be mostly a waste a of a weapon slot, since players have plenty of other options to recover health. Though an improvement for the health pick ups is still in need, since i find them horrible unreliable both in their drop rate aswell as their health value.
A gun that can switch between harming and healing or has a healing alt fire however. Sure why not?
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Wait a second. That Nyx Deluxe artwork!
That mixture of simple parts and extreme fine details. I remember that style
*Looks at recent Aquaman comic covers*
Holy ****
Well no suprise. Given some of his fantasy artwork. That fits quite well. Love that mechanic or armored looking spine area.
Limbo looks like another Orbital Frame inspired design. Definetly prefer it over his stage magician base design. Haha.
Nezha looks like quite a contrast to the base version too. Which is good.
Rest look nice aswell.
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A Soul Reaver style energy blade comming from the palm of the Operator would be rather fitting i think.
They can allready fire beams from their palms. Shortening them and concentrating them into a powerfull but very short ranged blade would seem like a logical extension of what they allready display.
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They were kidnapped to serve as new bodies for the Orokin. They used new bodies the way people would switch into new outfits based on what is popular at the time. Hence a constant need for "exotic" and "natural" bodies.
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I have that theory for a while that the thousands of Tenno which are implied to exist (just look at the number of Landers in the backround of the Relays) are actualy mostly perfect replicas of the perhaps less than a hundred kids who survived on the Zariman.
Imagine it like this.
The Tenno as fighting force worked. But of the handfull the Orokin had, each with their personal Warframe (ala Rell), they were far too few to cover the many fronts of the War. So they needed more. Perhaps the original Tenno were also tied to their one Warframe, so each one lost also meant a Tenno died for real (which put some gravity behind story of each lost Warframe in their quests).
The Orokin tried to replicate the events that made the Tenno, but failed. The void being a place the Orokins could never figure out after all. Then they tried to copy the Tenno's bodies as empty hulls for more "controllable" or "willing" minds to be put into it. But that failed aswell. The bodies lacking the powers or worse.
Finaly they decided to copy both the bodies (via a flesh printer rather than cloning) and the minds and somehow that resulted in the replica having the void powers. But said mind being free and also attached to rather traumatic memories.
"It just works. Don't ask me ****ing how!" - Ballas (maybe).
So we have perhaps a hundred different kids spread over thousands of replicas, explaining the size of the Tenno force.
Also perhaps the Orokin still tried to create more willing minds with Tenno powers resulting in things like the Stalker.
In the end it's just some crackpot theory of mine and might soon be proven utterly wrong. Haha.
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My guess would be that because of the blade's length they decided the swings of the staff stances are better suited for it than these of the polearm stances.
Though the polearm stances in general have the problem that they are essentialy just staff style wide swings in which both ends of the weapons are equaly meant to hit the enemy, which of course comes from the Orthos being the grand daddy of the poelarm category. Thanks to the Orthos an abnormal polearm design (these were never popular in warfare) became the normal or standard in Warframe and all stances since then have to fit it.
It doesn't help that the staff category also got weapons added to it which are more fitting to being polearms by the defition of being staffs with bladed heads. So Warframe has the line between polearms and simple staffs muddled to the point where it doesn't matter what the weapon looks like and more which movements make it better looking.
Of course double headed polearms being the normal in Warframe is fine, this is a wacky fictional universe after all. But the more normal one headed polearms we get the more it becomes problematic that the stances are designed with two heads in mind.
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One handed axes will likely end in the machete category since it's basicly the gathering spot for any one handed weapon they can't put into the longsword, dagger or rapier stance category at the moment.
Though i would enjoy more one handed weapons like that. Same goes for Sword and Shield. We have a Grineer axe and shield, but i don't see why the Tenno can't have one aswell. Heck. We actualy still need a proper physical sword and shield that isn't either a flaming blade or visualy centerd around a disc theme (sorry but it kind of ruins the sword design for me).
That also doesn't mean i wouldn't enjoy there being a dedicated stance for one handed weapon which are based around a weapon head, meaning axes, maces, warhammers, etc.
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How about a peculiar mod that makes enemies bleed rainbows? Or if they are killed they explode in a trio of etheral kubrow puppies which run around for a while before they dissapear into thin air?
Yeah just kidding on the later that would just harm game performance.
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The idea of companions getting involved in Arcwhing has actualy been adressed in a devstream shortly after AW was first released. There were even some laughs at the idea of a Kubrow with a jetpack flying after you biting space ships.
In theory nothing speaks against the general idea of Archwing support units based around your companions. Like a Kubrow can remote controll a drone which has a hydraulic claw simulating the Kubrow's bite or a Kavat controlling a drone which rams enemies with build on plasma bladed arms and legs. Similar your Sentinel being put in a gunpod ala R-Type flying besides you.
It appears the main reason we don't have anything like this yet, is simply that the development focus on Archwing quickly faded as other new features had to be worked on.
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Also primes come in white and black variant. Which does not speak for a pure sun motive.
If anything primes also follow the light/dark or yin/yang motive that we now see in multiple areas of the game (Equinox, Operator morality, general idea of Tenno keeping "balance").
I guess Steve's "MOON" thing might just be some expansion of Lua since that's where the whole Sacrifice quest will be centered on again.
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Argonak will be around endlessly. Tiberon Prime will eventualy be vaulted and it will only be obtainable from other players with stockpiles.
Also as GnarlsDarkley pointed out the Argonak is aviable for player usage far before the Tiberon Prime. So it makes sense it's not as good.
Once there is an Argonak Wraith or a new gun that fills the same niche as the Tiberon Prime but is MR 14 you can compare those.
But so far you compare two fighters with a similar style but different weight classes.
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When i think Nidus Prime there are two images that come to my mind.
First a Nidus covered in smooth white surfaces like some statue. Adored with gold. But once you build up stacks the whole thing breaks open and the infested bits point out.
As if Ballas had to sell Nidus to the higher ups and covered it all up for presentation.
Second a straight forward Nidus but with Orokin tech bits jammed into the body like an even more frankensteinian experiment half finished.
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So many features that need new stuff. So little time to create and add it. It seems.
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I'd like to see some small drone that hovers over our shoulder and projecting a light infront of us and having a manual option to switch it on and off.
Though alternate vision modes for the Warframes ala the Predator would be nice too.
Those are techno-organic war machines. Certainly there is some place in their Neuroptics to add sensors which can pick up more than human limited audio-visual informations. -
Reminds me a bit to mechs from Five Star Stories.
Also damn this one came totaly out of the blue. Like why didn't they tease this in previous devstreams? I mean they don't have to. But i'm suprised they didn't felt like building up excitment for it's release.
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Well the Warframe universe seems to feature a pretty unrestrainted usage of "human resources", with the whole Grineer faction being made of degenerating mass produced clones, the Corpus brainwashing people into being fanatic worker drones and the Orokins having done god knows what with genetic material (down to making buildings out of purpose created flesh).
So by now you'd be more suprised by what ISN'T made of people or at least part of them.
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Zelmen.
I was actualy refering to exactly that. The big Orbiter and how it appears in the concept art you unlock via scans in the codex. Which shows it's size and what appears to be a Liset docked to it in front. I was just wondering if underneath is enough space to dock a smaller combat ship to it? Since the ship we saw in that Railjack sequence, they showed on a devstream for Orb Vallis, appeared quite large.
Also i actualy think DE scrapped the idea of the Lander being the cockpit, since it does not resemble the other 3 landers, has no way for the Warframe to enter the drop system underneath and does not match up with how large the Liset appears when it drops us of in missions. But that is a different topic, let's not discuss it here.