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    Why Design A Weapon That Becomes Op If Time And Money Is Invested By The Player And Only To Be Nerfed At The End

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    Posted · Edited by o0oSynthetico0o

    Two words, Forma Sink. I honestly think after playing this game for many years, that they intentionally do this sort of thing (start a weapon underpowered, buff it to high heaven), wait a few months until everyone thinks its safe (They wouldn't leave a weapon strong that long unless it was intentional, right???) and slaps 5 forma, and a potato into the sucker, then they nerf it under the dirt. Well time to move on and potato and forma that new hotness weapon (until It gets the nuclear nerf bomb too). This has to be the 5th or 6th time I thought it was safe to maximize a weapon, only to have it nerfed to unusable levels a very short while later. Nothing is more frustrating than to take the time and resources to fully customize a weapon that's genuinely effective and one you actually like, only to have that all striped away. Its not about balance anymore, its about Profit. Devs confirmed to be of Corpus origin. 

    Math On Why The Synoid Gammacor Is Massively Nerfed

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    Dps calculation for new synoid, 7 mods used, leaving place for whatever you might want to put in.

     

    Raw Damage Per Second :: 28896

    Raw Burst Damage Per Second :: 35599,872

     

    If lato can actually reach these numbers then lato must 1 @(*()$ amazing weapon.

     

    Then i even put gunslinger as 8th mod

     

    Raw Damage Per Second :: 40632,725

    Raw Burst Damage Per Second :: 51619,814

     

    Op redo your math cause it sux.

     

     

    I assume you had the SG all loaded down with fire rate mods, sure the dps burst is insane like that, but too bad its only about 1.2 seconds of fire, with a 2 second reload time. maybe you need to redo that math with the dps downtimes factored in.

    Seriously De, 5 Forma Wasted (Synoid Gammacor Nerf)

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    Just for everyone saying the dmg was not changed, the patch notes are wrong, the dmg in game went down from 210 to 28 base, also fire rate, not ammo consumption went from 2.0 to 15.0 also, the magazine was increased to 150 from 75. Overall worse than the normal gammacor, yet another useless mastery fodder weapon thanks to trolls and crybabies seeing/using it with a potato 5 forma and all maxed mods one shotting lvl 15 corpus and claiming that it was "Severely overpowered". When it all actuality it was balanced around endgame and took a lot of time/grind to even be able to make one in the first place. Not to mention the yo-yo balance going on here.

    Math On Why The Synoid Gammacor Is Massively Nerfed

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    Very informative OP, I don't know about anyone else but I'm so sick of blowing a potato and 5 forma on a weapon I genuinely like, and its not such a hunk of junk so it would be a waste to forma and potatoes, just to have it absolutely nuclear nerfed into the ground 3 days later. Swear this must be the 5th or 6th time this crap has happened, I don't know why I keep coming back every 6 -8 months at this point, same crap happens every time, so sick of wasting blueprints and plat because a few people QQ because they took an obviously endgame, and hard to acquire weapon with multiple forma and max mods into a lvl 15 mission and cry like a baby that its "overpowered please nerf". Its the same thing as taking a Hind-D helicopter and unleashing hell on an anthill and say "Man, this things overpowered!". 

    The "nerfed" Synoid Gammacor Is Still Overpowered.

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    Okay. Since you seem so incredibly convinced you know what is and isn't going on with the 'balance' of the game, I'll do you a favor and explain the problem with all of the assumptions you're making. I don't actually expect you to listen, but hey, why not at least try?
     
    Right now, Void is pretty much the only game mode that matters. Why? Because everything important drops there. Everything rare drops there. Everything shiny and new and cool looking drops there. Everything that everybody who isn't still scooting around on Jupiter cares about, drops there. All the Prime Warframes, Void. The Prime weapons, Void. Some of the rarest mods in the game, Void only. You need it if you want the new hotness. You need it if you're a completionist and want to max out your Mastery.
     
    The problem with Void, though, is twofold. 
     
    The first part of the problem is, EVERYTHING that matters is stuffed in there. The droptables are an absolute mess, and DE has avoided actually fixing them for the past five major updates even though people have literally been complaining about it for over six months. In fact, they got angry last year when someone datamined them to show exactly how bad all of the drops were, even though that's something that was actually allowed and encouraged in the "Beta Tester" waiver we all signed to play. Obviously, DE was upset because Warfarme clearly isn't a beta anymore and they're just using the label to get away with everything being lower quality, but the fact remains that the drop tables were a mess. They have only become MORE diluted since then (and DE changed the wording of the agreement to make it expressly against the rules to do this, even though, from the perspective of this still being a beta, that makes no sense, and because other games like World of Warcraft actually encourage dataminers because they help the community and don't actually hurt anything with what they do). So long story short, there are about a dozen different parts you could get in any particular Void key, and that's further diluted by useless crap nobody wants when they're trying to farm for Prime things, like 5k credit packs or one Rare Core. 
     
    The second part of the problem is, everything in Void escalates like a rocket. You hang out out in Void Intercept for twenty waves, and you've suddenly got level 100+ Corrupted Heavy Gunners breathing down your neck. Enemy scaling is completely out of control, and rapidly jumps past where anything normal could possibly deal with it, which will force you and your squad out unless you bring some top-shelf game to the table.
     

    So in order to get anything specific in the Void, you have to run it again. And again. And again. And for Defenses, Intercepts, and Survivals, you need to stay in as long as you possibly can, to get as many hits on the B and C rotations of the table. You think this isn't a problem, until you look at the numbers. Rotation C only gets hit THREE TIMES in a sixty minute Void Survival. I'm going to say that again, with emphasis, just so you understand what I'm telling you. Rotation C only gets hit THREE TIMES in a SIXTY MINUTE Void Survival. Once at twenty, again at fourty, and the third time at sixty. Three times. Frost Prime systems had a less than 3% drop chance on the Rotation C table in TIV Survival BEFORE all this new crap came out. It's even LESS now, three months later. Three percent. You get three # < 3% chances to get it if you stay in for ONE FULL HOUR.
     
    And that's just for one part. Just one. Consider that some Prime weapons require three or more parts to build, including the blueprint, and some of them can be built into dual versions that require two fully built copies. Consider that every single Prime Warframe needs four parts to create it (systems chassis helmet blueprint), and there is not one single Prime Frame as of three months ago that did not have at least one part with a drop chance of less than 5% (typically the systems).
     
    Vegas wouldn't give you odds this bad.
     
    So to get anywhere in the Void, you need to be able to reliably run it many, many times without wiping, and for the applicable game modes, stay in as long as possible. You need to be able to farm it, in other words. 
     
    You want real talk? Here's real talk. There are over 200 weapons in the game right now, and out of all of them, around 190 of them are absolute garbage. They're fine for shooting Grineer in the face on Earth or smacking Alad V around, but if you take that stuff into the Void, it won't work. Only the very best weapons in the game, stuff that deals massive sustained DPS, guns with natural 50% crit chances, secondaries that let you cover crowds in Viral or Rad procs, can be used to farm the Void. Only the very best guns can be used, and don't even think of bringing a melee weapon for anything beyond helping with movement and traversal, because not one single one is good enough to be used to actually deal damage for Void play. Not since Charge attacks were removed. You can be a huge weeb and 'Sword Alone' your way through Mars with your gold star tac alert weapon stance no problem, but if you try that crap in the Void, you're going to be plinking away at an Infested Ancient that is literally made of Armor for 8 damage while it rips your spine out through your eye socket. You can't stop here, son, this is bat country. No melee, Loki only, Final Destination.
     
    So every 'good' gun we lose, is one less tool in our arsenal that helps us beat the odds and actually extract anything worthwhile or useful out of the Void. And that arsenal was never very big to begin with. The loss of the Synoid Gammacor? That was significant. And it was vocally encouraged by an idiot who by his own admission doesn't even hang out in the halls where the weapon was most used. He farmed Draco to bloat his reputation score, grabbed the candy off the top shelf from the top floor, and was surprised when it was literally a lightsaber laser pointer against level 15 enemies. It's cute. Irritating, but cute.
     
    You're the sort of person who sees pictures of someone with an Amprex that's been Forma'd six times and calls them a tryhard. No. Be quiet. You don't understand the slightest piece of context that weapon exists it. It lives in a world where the only thing between you and a tidal wave of level 90 Corrupted Corpus Crewmen is a water hose of red crits and Corrosive Heat procs. Six Forma is necessary to make it work correctly. If you have one with less than four V polarities on it and try to bring it into the Void, I'm going to laugh at you.
     
    And do you know what the best part about all this is? It's not a mistake on DE's part. DE knows this. They know how incredibly frustrating it is to try and farm the Void. They know they've set the bar absurdly, stupidly high. They know exactly what they're doing. They charge $60 USD for the Prime Access packs. That's the price of a brand new AAA game for PC or console. You could go out and buy a brand new copy of GTA V for that. You could pick up Mass Effect, Mass Effect 2, and probably Mass Effect 3 as well for that. You could go out and buy Evolve or Destiny, or Super Smash Bros or Hyrule Warriors, or fully preorder Bloodborne, or have a field day in Steam's bargain bin.
     
    Who would pay that much for a new character and some guns in a free to play game?
     
    Somebody who didn't want to grind for it, obviously.
     
    That's the problem with the free to play game model. They create an enviroment in which it serves the best interests of the developer to screw the player over repeatedly. DE didn't "accidentially" put all of Nova Prime's parts in hilaroiusly awkward places on the drop tables with absurdly low drop chances. They did it deliberately, because they don't want you to farm it. They want you to buy it. They want you to give them 60 USD for the Prime Access, because that's literally how they make their money. They don't make it from people picking up the game to play: it's free! So they get that money elsewhere, by encouraging people to buy rare things directly instead of bothering to farm and grind for them. This system enables them to say "look, see, all the non-vanity things can be obtained in the game without paying a cent! It's not pay to win, you can get all the guns and frames without using the cash shop," while also allowing them to twist the vise on the players, leaning on them by making it an exercise in dozens of painful hours of high level farming and grinding to obtain even one nice thing without having to pay for it. 
     
    I still don't have my Vasto Prime Reciever, and I suspect I'm not the only one.
     
    All successful free to play games use this system to one extent or another, and the free to play games that don't, are not counted amongst the successful. Warframe is no different. They do not get their funding from people buying the game, so they must extract money from the customer in other ways. DE is the carnival that lets you in for free and gives away drinks and snacks but puts a labryinth in front of the bathrooms, with a fifty dollar shortcut door guarded by a bouncer.
     
    The problem with the assumption that someone like WiiConquered makes, is that he assumes people have one of these weapons that is stronger than normal, and then they go looking for content that fits the weapon they have made. That is amusing, and incredibly naive. 
     
    No. No one with a BoltorP goes 'looking' for content that will fit it. The exact OPPOSITE is what is happening. People go to the content looking for Prime gear, and realize they need these sorts of things to actually get what they want. They either have to pay DE sixty USD for the new cool things, or they need to be able to reliably farm the Void, and that doing so ENTAILS AND REQUIRES doing something like lasting for sixty minutes in a TIV Survival or 80 waves in TIII Defense, not just once, but many times in a row, and thus look for the weapons and frames that will enable them to do this.
     
    Nobody wants the Synoid Gammacor or the Boltor Prime or the Amprex for Earth or Saturn or Jupiter. They don't belong there. They're not necessary to run those. That's not what those guns exist for. Those guns exist for the Void, to be used by people who do not want to or cannot pay DE the price of a brand new AAA game every time new Prime stuff comes out. Those guns are used by people who use the "it's technically not pay to win" loophole to get the things they want without having to pay out the nose for them. Because, and I know this will come as an amazing shock, most people who play free to play games, probably aren't exactly swimming in disposable income.
     
    This is why I find it funny when people who are objectively terrible at the game barge in and make all this noise about how the game should be run and what changes need to be made, when they clearly never got past the first six planets and probably bought all the parts for their Prime Frames from trade or Prime Access. They know nothing that matters, have played nothing that matters, don't understand the first thing about the meta of the game, and yet act like they know everything.
     
    By the way, thanks for putting yourself out there on a limb for us as an example, Vaughan. I mean wow, 207 missions failed, 382 missions quit? Really? And you think you're qualified to tell everyone how the game should be balanced? I feel horrific shame that I've failed 12 ciphers, even though 8 of them aren't my fault because of the minigame glitching and being uncompletable.
     
    And I note you weren't here for Gravidus, either. Nobody tell him about the Brakk, his poor little "muh PvE balance" heart couldn't take the strain. 
     
    I also like your SGamma. At least you used it before telling everybody it was too overpowered, though against the things you threw at it, that's like calling an M1 Abrams tank overpowered against straw bales.
     
    In yelling and yelling about how much the SGamma needed to be nerfed, you've done nothing but help remove one of the tools that people who are too poor to afford things like Prime Access could use to get the cool looking video game items they wanted. You've accomplished nothing but widening the gap between the haves and have nots. So well done. Standing ovation, good job, here's your gold star. Congratulations for having the courage to speak up on a subject you know nothing about and make life for a large number of other people that much harder. We're all terribly proud of you. You can walk away from this knowing that in taking a moral and ethical stand here and now, you've made the world a better place.

     

     

     

    Amen brother. Very well written and insightful post, and heartbreakingly accurate.

    Rest In Peace Synoid Gammacor

    in Weapons

    Posted · Edited by o0oSynthetico0o

    Have to admit, this nerf in particular, hit me right in the feels. Very sad and disappointed tenno here. I understand it did need a tune up, but this felt extremely drastic, and almost malicious. 

    Warmonger Levels

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    Hello everyone.

     

    Today I felt the need to discuss a topic that Fohawks brought up over our mumble last night while playing some Warframe with our buddies. Basically it involves the Mastery Ranking system. The current system is fine for those that love to try new weapons and frames, they can level them up from scratch and earn points. But what about those that wish to keep leveling they're Mastery points, but have already found a niche, and don't really want to use any other weapon or frame? My suggestion is simple.

     

    1) Allow players who use a Forma on a weapon or frame to acquire more Mastery points for releveling that weapon or frame, but at 1/2 the current rate for gaining Mastery. So it would be much slower than just leveling a new frame or weapon, but you would still be making some progress. 

     

    2) "Warmonger Levels"

     

    This in my mind could be a similar system to Diablo 3's Paragon Leveling system. Add an exp bar to all max level weapons and frames it doesn't need to show any numbers other than the current progress towards the next level, the item still would stay at level 30 (so nothing is actually getting any stronger), but open up the opportunity to gain some Mastery off of a max level frame or weapon, even at four or five times the current rate for fresh weapons. or frames, sentinels etc (the slower the better). That way people who just love a certain playstyle and don't really want to switch it up, can still have a chance and make some progress too.

     

    Thanks guys.

     

     

    Crash Rate Increased Since U11

    in PC Bugs

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    Just wanted to let you guys know that I have disabled DX11 and haven't had a crash since, this might help you guys who were in the same boat as me. Just click the options button on the launcher its self and uncheck DX11. Hope this helps a few of you guys.

    Crash Rate Increased Since U11

    in PC Bugs

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    I haven't played since update 8 but man am I crashing like every 20 mins, loosing orokin cells and all sorts of goodies, this is extremely frustrating, warframe is the only game that crashes on my pc, I never lag, and never had any sort of crash issue before. I dunno what to do, I love playing with my friends but this crap is unplayable as is.

    Defense Core Got Moved

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    Yeah i see a tesla on the ground, which means there was a vauban in the group, its a known bug that when you put a bounce pad on the cryopod,it will flip it around like that, good bug reporting though.  

    Defence Mission Tower 3 Key Bug

    in Mission Specific

    Posted

    Tonight, I was running a few defence missions on Neptune, Proteus I believe and my team got to wave 25 and the reward was a Tower 3 key, we all claimed and exited, and when I got back to the lobby and went to use the Key, it was not there, all the rest of my team got one, (confirmed over voice chat). Very strange...  

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