Dharma-Beerlite
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On 2019-11-04 at 6:50 PM, ZzVinniezZ said:
ok why it has to be 90-110 level along with enemies able to pin point accuracy and instant kill you? back then even kuva flood which is 80-90 is already hard enough to survived. After the introduction of Kuva Lich i realized how easily i'm to be killed by normal enemies because they are at level 90+. not to mention NOX glass cant be break despite my Tiberon prime with riven that deal massive damage back then. Having a squad is nice because we can kill enemies easily but 90% of the time i have to play solo because no one is on the same location and mission as i'm so at least can i get forgiving difficulty for playing Solo?
also anyone got a bug where you got instant kill by Thrall despite them not even attack you or anyone else?
Its not difficult if you already been through arbitration/kuva survival mission over 60 mins.
As for the match making. After weeks of "non lich stabber" whining and griefing Pub matches refuse to deal with their lich and telling those capable of killing lvl 5 lich at ease to go solo. Most of these pool of players are pissed off, they are either solo or stop doing liches till further steps to be taken by DE. Yes, its hard to get party over recruitment chat due to your planets of influence are not always same as the others. That's where i was telling those " non stabber' go do solo or recruitment as they are not killing liches any of their member influence planets will spawn thralls for their farming. Instead of understanding this issue they whining that "you don't tell me what i do in pub game" .
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32 minutes ago, Ikserdok said:
but what I see it is in most arguments as non-stabbers looks, share their ideas to compromise, fix it etc while I rarely see if even an stabber trying to get solution for this and blame DE for ths flawed system, instead stabbers blame on almost every step just nonstabbers not even looking this is not their fault, but DE
as I see, nonstabbers are more peacfull people, with calm trying to play this content while on most steps being blamed by stabbers for DE fault in this content design 😕
Of course they are peaceful, some of them complaining lich 5 is hard / take longer to to clear map( mainly are those that not even ready to solo sortie). Yet they join pub game random host with higher spawn leech xp and etc and yet blocking others lich spawn. Of course, those that can clear those 100+ spawn at ease would piss.
If you read back all those related topics about this issue. They are calling those can carry pub mission that wanted to kill lich go play solo/create private game. How contradicting were that? If those can carry at easy to all go play solo/private game. Then how these guys can leech random host in pub game with higher spawn for their xp etc? Or the pub game ends up with mainly all those "non stab lich" gank that mainly lvl 1 lich mission.. Then those good carry players have to seek one by one players to check if they have the same planets for lich 5 killing party? what an upside down thinking we have here..
To be realistic.If someone to wants to gain benefits in long term,bears in mind good things that last long need to be a "win win situation". You gain more xp etc from lvl 5 lich mission with 1 death is far more xp etc from u gain with no death via lvl 1 lich mission. So you guys want to turn the pub game into more lvl 1 lich mission or more lvl 5 mission to benefits long runs?
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4 minutes ago, Ikserdok said:
pff, rad proc is givin most fun here if you dont care for your companions 😆 it is finally givin an option to kill your teammate and pretend you have done nothing special while ressurecting him
Well, i once got troll by a stupid saryn that have difficulty killing his lvl 5 lich. Lost 4 revive from her skill 4 due to viral proc on me. Even with that I still stay around as much I can till an idiot extracted before that saryn can do her last stab. I guess that idiot could be one of those 'no stab" selfish player.
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6 hours ago, Tsukinoki said:
Only problem with this is that it would exacerbate another issue:
In a lot of the pugs I've been in when a lich spawns everyone who doesn't own the lich just books it for extraction. There simply is zero reason to actually help kill the lich. You get nothing for it, so its better to just extract and move onto the next mission.
This would just cement that because now there is no point in sticking around as your lich will never spawn in that mission...so just hurry onto the next one as quickly as possible and screw whoever is fighting their lich. Who cares if it forces them to extract before they can down their lich or get through the three stab attempts if they have the right mods in the right order.And sadly that is how I see everyone yelling about the "People who don't stab their liches are trolls/griefers!" acting. They would just rush to extraction and damned be the person that is engaging their lich.
Sorry to hear that people don't help. I guess those that went straight to extraction usually are those " No Stab" believer. So far out of my 22 liches farmed I only encounter 2 to 3 mission that at most 1 player sitting at extraction without helping. The rest will swamp whatever lvl lich spawn and whacko that. Reason, for so long finally we got a boss challenging task above sortie lvl. It is real fun except the rad proc with stupid squad member affected rad proc still cast deadly AOE on team.
Also those that crying about lvl 5 lich/mission spawn{lvl 100+) contents is hard/slow to deal with. Either you are not ready for this content or I suggest you should go and watch more youtube guides how to gear up for solo Arbitration endless mission beyond 60 mins.
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I understand the part you referring to about the efficiency farming those loots. But not all players is interested with those not so interesting loots. As for me, I am enjoying the random spawn of higher spawn and mass spawns to kill in pub as well testing my luck if my lich spawn. There alot players out there can easy 1 hit or so to lvl 100 spawn or kill lvl 5 lich in 30 secs.
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Simple if players is concern about dying and xp go non lich mission and leveling. Lich mode is an higher content also welcome leecher to gain their xp. But if they want to farm lich loots and gain xp without doing their part finish their own lich then that is pure selfishness ...
Its a strange world now people who want to take full advantage of others and turn around calling those helping them Axx-hole. Why i say people helping them? The main reason they want to keep their lich low lvl so they can easy time dealing with it or they just cant handle higher lvl spawn. Yet they join pub game that that random host could spawn lvl 100 lvl 5 lich content which they cant/ kill slowly due to their current build and ability or just bring pure leeching lvling frame/weapons. With the help of the squad killing for them yet they turn around bitting those that they leeched on just becos they wont do their part by stabbing their own lich and allow others to have chance and spawn theirs.
Telling those pool of good players that can easy/or no problem dealing with those lvl 5 liches to go solo mission is pure stupidity. This will end up most the pub game left with those unable/ hard time to deal with any higher lich spawn and happens one of the player needed help to kill their lich?
Let me guess what next they gonna argue about those that cant deal with high lvl liches in pub. They will call them " no you should not come to pub game and spawn lvl 5 lich its your problem. we only preferred lvl 1 lich in the pub game. Go deal with your lich in solo or recruitment chat to seek help".
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4 hours ago, Graavarg said:
I've taken a couple of lichs "solo only" now. It actually went as fast solo (the second maybe even faster?) as doing PUGs with randoms. Gathering murmurs solo is quite effective, missions take a bit longer but I actually get more murmurs. Especially when my lich spawns in and I don't try to end it (just mess around with it, and leaving other enemies alive for "thrall creation"). Squad missions where several liches spawns in still generate most murmurs, but only if you keep the liches alive long enough to spawn in/turn additional thralls (and this is seldom the case, instead everyone kills or is pressured to kill their lich as fast as possible 🙂). But on the other hand you often join missions already in progress, only getting a few murmurs before it ends, and missions are often completed without any liches joining in.
Solo play also rewards the intelligent mathematical approach of revealing the first requiem before testing it in the first slot, then doing the same with the second (first or second slot). If the first revealed requiem is in the first slot (33% chance) you can even break off the attack and continue with revealing the second with a pissed-off lvl 1 lich (which will join missions more reliably, and so creating more thralls). If the second revealed requiem is correct in the second spot (50% chance) you can continue with the pissed-off level 1 lich to the convert/kill phase, if you were wrong your lich will be only level 2. Having a lower level lich speeds up the solo missions (considerably, depending on planet and mission) due to warframe abilities having more effect (the inverted effect of less Grineer armor).
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But this thread wasn't about what is most effective, but about that harassing and pressuring other players is plain wrong, total a-hole behaviour. The reasons and reasoning behind behaving like such an idiot doesn't matter. Somehow one would expect in this me-too era that it should be clear to everyone that blaming a rape victim for the rape ("X had so revealing clothes", "X walked home alone" etc.) just doesn't cut it anymore. Harassing other players for their totally ok behaviour of 100% playing within the allowed game setting and according to developer rules and then claiming the harassment is "their own fault" falls in the same category. Precisely. Except that the bullies now mostly get away with it, but you get punished for rape and sexual harassment.
Dont assume that all players that want squad to kill their lich are after the kuva weapons or best way to farm the reward. There are alot players above MR 20 that can solo arbitration for over 60 mins or more. This lvl 5 lich thing is a new fun and challenge to those group players that don't mind helping/ or wish more lich lvl 5 spawn to have fun.
If you want to focus mur mur just create a party since any planets from your team can spawn thralls without interrupting pub that goes after their planets that lich can spawn.
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3 hours ago, DarkSkysz said:
And then I will just be another leecher in a mission...lich missions are already starting with enemies lvl100 and thats good to lvlup melees. So if I forgot the damn thing on 'public' I am not going waste my exp just because someone wants my lich dead...its my after all I do what I want with him (Forgot we can choose if he die or live?).
Don't like the way I am playing? Abort the mission. I just do the same when I find someone doing anything I dislike. Its better than cry and fight about something stupid...
An ancient healer specter can give you some time to play with the lich while the pod is uncovered.
Just apply basic courtesy when lvling stuffs. Don't bring all new weapon / all zero dps gear/at least bring a support frame to assist into any lvling mission and behave like a pure leecher. I am sure you are not new to this game unless you are all round selfish just want the xp result without helping the mission. So don't call anyone selfish from your earlier post becos the way you present your theory sound more selfish. Player just kill their lich so others lich can spawn in the mission.
Dont be lazy just go recruitment channel and seek like minded party and hunt your random mur mur. Players that join random pub game to hunt lich because their lich is within those planets that can be spawn. Since you guys dont want lich spawn anyone planets from your created team that spawn thralls is good to serve your goals.
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1 hour ago, RougeMagma said:
I don't see why the lich levels are related to what I happened to me. The lich itself wasn't the only problem. It's the horde of enemies. No matter what node you choose and no matter the lich level is, the mission always starts at around level 80-100.
Firstly, if you playing on pub, the mass spawn lvl depends on the host lich lvl not yours. However, if your lich happens to spawn it will retain its current lich difficulty lvl. So best way to control your mission general spawn lvl is to do your mission solo/ like minded party with everyone lich not above lvl 2.
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2 minutes ago, Test-995 said:
Huh, that's rather interesting, if you are actually killing 22 liches in like 20 hours or so.
fyi . if u think i am BSing
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Just now, Test-995 said:
So few hours... full of lich grind?
I'd call it a dedication lul
No way for those not really interesting weapons. Just return to this game after few months break. Have been doing mainly leveling those 20+ weapons idling in foundry for months and 4 archwings xp to Mr 27. Got that free affinity booster from this patch and bought 2 x 3 days from baro must well do it.
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6 minutes ago, Test-995 said:
Specifically talking about quoted part, not the entire post.
And well, it's been like... 2 weeks from the update? 22 liches aren't that hard at all, if you dedicate yourself into grind.
Nah, i don't delicate to this kuva thing. only few hrs (actual playing time) at most per day. I have my own life and stuffs to deal with. Not a full time gamer.
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4 minutes ago, Test-995 said:
Did ya actually tried it? i suppose you didn't.
if i have not tested how do i get 22 liches done? The boss requires available spawn in mission converting them into thrall. So when the room and nearby room already empty, how the lich gonna gonna convert [exterminate mission] ? Please read what i mentioned earlier.
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22 minutes ago, Hyohakusha said:
I already outlined this in the thread above and like five others. I'm sick of repeating myself. People who demand that other players stab their lich are idiots. They chose to run on pub and give themselves a 1/4 chance of their lich spawning. They keep choosing to bash their heads against a wall, failing requiem mods, wrongly thinking that they're getting 10 murmurs worth of thralls when the stab bonus averages out to 4-8. They refuse to let liches convert standard grineer into thralls and get more murmurs for themselves and everyone else on the team. They reset their liches anger meter and reduce their chances of their lich spawning at all. They ignore defense objectives to wail on the lich.
Block them. Ignore them. The only thing they do is make the grind longer for themselves and everyone else in the squad because they don't pay attention and don't bother to learn how lich mechanics work. Then they try to demand that other players inflict the same on themselves, trying to get others to waste 5-6 hours on one lich or ask that some kind of punishment gets added to players who don't indulge their stupidity. You can take out 2-3 liches a day and still have time to run sorties and do Nightwave, or you can waste an entire day going after one. I took out 30 liches in two weeks and I'm only missing the ogris. Pics are in the link. Immediately stabbing your lich is dumbest idea to ever get into the meta of this game.Wow Pro! your theory maybe applicable to survival/ defence mission.And most of the lich common mission are exterminate.
Most of us that push fast run are into exterminate which make no sense base on your style. So far most of the time the lich was spawn back track where most of the spawn room already empty unless your killing speed super slow? or move forward to those alive spawn and lure them to the lich boss? which is about 400 to 600 away? they not even alerted where we are?
Btw, do you even read the patch note? Thralls has limitation spawn!
Also doing other way does not mean they are dumb/stupid or make you look smarter.The things that we are discussing is not which way is smarter or stupid and we did not criticise any method/ways is dumb. Its about do things your way by not griefing others.
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2 minutes ago, DarkSkysz said:
So...suicide to your lich and lose some exp and a revive just to make 3 bastards happy and get some murmurs? Ok...I can see who are the selfish here.
if you are concern about your xp then you are playing at the wrong mission... go elite onslaught / Hydron. That's where you could easy leveling with affinity gain all in the closer range.
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3 minutes ago, Test-995 said:
That's more of a fix for "choices" not being equivalent, before that you literally had no reason to kill them.
So with that fix, now we have equally meaningful choice of kill/not kill.
why is that no reason to kill/or testing the right mod early and finish the task? 20 out of my 22 liches done was done before the 3rd mods reveal to me. about 5 of the liches was lucky to fit those correct mods while they are lvl 3/4? Really made me asking you how many liches have you done so far?
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7 minutes ago, Test-995 said:
Any clue, word of DE or anything?
Never heard about that, game isn't made like so.
The Old Blood: Hotfix 26.0.4 + 26.0.4.1
Testing a Requiem on a Lich now advances Murmur progress by roughly 10x more than a Thrall on average.
I don't think I have missed any part mentioning avoid being kill by lich/avoiding killing gain by roughly 10x more than a Thrall on average
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3 minutes ago, (PS4)IIFrost_GhostII said:
Its quite pleasant hunting the toxic players though :(, no 1 likes them when theyre like that. They become red stains on a white shirt, and need to be removed 😈
To me not killing their own lich blocking others chance to spawn and progress is annoying as troll Limbo in mission. That's why solo/team "escape lich mission" is better for them to spawn their lvl 1 lich mission and not making players mad triggering all these angry/toxic cursing going on. Again, the current official game mode is "Stab the lich" not " escape away from lich"/ "lich hide and seek"..
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6 minutes ago, Nezha_Rose said:
Ah figures it may be something like that. Ive been having problems finding people.
I think mainly due to recent patch made it easy and faster to progress the murmur bar for t1 and T2. that last tier requires longer farm to discover the last mod.
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3 minutes ago, Nezha_Rose said:
And this is why the lich hunt modes on lobbies are getting empty.
A lot of "play solo" mentality is doing its thing.
Actually if you notice that lower lich mission is less populated. The moment you got your lich higher lvl you find party much easy. Also that depending on your region and time playing.
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1 minute ago, RougeMagma said:
I'm MR25 and did a lich kill (my 5th one) last night after the update. During a defense mission, there's only 3 of us. I had to tell my other 2 teammates (twice) to IGNORE my lich and protect the cryopod while I handled the lich myself. The horde was overwhelming and I was barely able to type in the chat window ("Protect the cryopod!"). We're barely succeed the mission with only 10% health left on the cryopod.
Understand that if the object that you have to protect got destroyed/ignored (i.e. defense, mobile defense, also interception), the mission is over/failed. period.
If your lich is over lvl 3 you should have various planets option to select the mission type. Click on them to check the mission detail type. I don't do defend mission unless at lvl 1 lich limited to 1 planet and lich still stuck at lvl 1 which yet to open up more planets. Even if lvl 1 lich i would bring a appropriate frame like frost/Khora etc to do that at ease.
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1 minute ago, SordidDreams said:
Right back at you, why don't you just stay in solo or form a team if you want to reliably spawn your lich?
Firstly, nobody's griefing anybody. Secondly, I'm sure undergeared players don't want to jump into high-level lich missions, but the game doesn't exactly give them a choice.
Exactly! run your solo/team with like minded "escape lich mission" game you are sure to get your lvl 1 lich mission? Your argument really dont made sense at all.....
WE DONT SOLO BECAUSE WE ARE WELL GEARED TO TAKE ON ANY LVL 5 LICH AND WILLING TO ASSIST ANYONE STRUGGLE WITH THEIR LVL 5 LICHES... SAY WE SWITCH POSITION CAN THOSE ESCAPE LICH CLUB MEMBER HELP THEM NOW? THINK ABOUT IT PLS
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15 minutes ago, SordidDreams said:
Only to people who are geared enough to handle level 100 content as easily as level 50 content despite it being twelve times harder, which is only a tiny minority of players. I did explain that previously, you should've done as I suggested and referred back to those posts.
If you don't like the way people play in pubs, you're more than welcome to reliably spawn your lich in solo.
Firstly, why don't you just stay in your solo or form a team just to keep lich below lvl 2? Instead you guys want jump into random hosts with high lvl lich map generated and griefing pub games players progression? So far I have not seem any group refuse to help anyone killing their low or high lvl lich. Even when sudden spawn of lich at extraction everyone will get out and help up then extract together.
The game mode was created to kill stab lich not escape lich! If someone not ready to deal with high lvl lich or he/she think that keep lich low lvl is the best to go then go play their solo/special team game with escape lich rather then joining the actual game mode in pub matches?
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4 minutes ago, SilentMobius said:
Well no it isn't at all, it's just much more variable. Hunting murmurs is more reliable, gambling with the parazon can be longer and can be shorter. And if lv100 enemies slow you down at all then parazon gambling can really lengthen total times (Which is a big deal solo).
Depending on the mission type Sorte 3 level enemied can really require a specific warframe, which may not be the one that is useful to take down your lich.
Also, a steady diet of lv 60 enemies is much better for ranking up the previous Kuva weapon (assuming you don't team leach all your weapon ranking) I'm on my 12th lich and IMHO waiting until the second murmur unlocks before I try use the parazon on the lich has been optimal.
That's why solo/ team up with like minded members is much better choice for those wish to keep their lich below lvl 2. Joining pub game mostly likely will end up in a host with lvl 2 or higher lvl lich spawn contents.And also pissing off players that can easy 1 to 2 hits those lvl 100, also some of them are lvling their new kuva weapons over their alt slots they want higher lvl spawn to lvl faster. Most of the time i enter a lvl 5 mission in pub game everyone is hungry to seek spawns then sitting there trying to kill those 100 spawn.
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Kuva Lich mission difficulty
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Difficulty lvl is fine until some stupids got themself rad proc and spamming aoe trolling the squad dead.