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They should just put the lex arca plasmor shot on all the incarnons, just disregard what the original weapon was and have no resemblance to the normal gun. Then all the incarnons would be really strong AOE weapons and people would love them
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I actually hate this trend of taking underused/bad weapons and giving them AOE. But I agree, the lex incarnon is really good. Pick it this week.
I find it the most uncreative possible avenue to buff a weapon. Sure, let's just slap on an alt fire grenade or make the hitscan have an AOE radius. Let's remove the identity of a weapon to just make it another AOE one.
The newest tetra could've gotten something cool to synergize with the unique bouncing projectiles but instead we got alt fire grenade.
The newest plinx could've gotten something to enhance its sharpshooter battery playstyle but instead we got an alt fire grenade.
The braton incarnon adds an AOE radius where you shoot. Riveting.
The boltor incarnon is cool. It's exactly what I want in an incarnon, take the original weapon and put it on steroids when it's juiced up. I would've been pissed if all they did was add AOE to the bolts.
The lex incarnon...turns it into an arca plasmor? Why? This is the felarx all over again, the incarnon form completely changes the weapon type, except this time it does a lot of damage so nobody is complaining. I know a lot of people like the lex incarnon, but it's not my cup of tea. My most used secondary is the lex prime and I wanted it to get juiced up, not turned into an arca plasmor. They did a great job with the lato, buffing it but keeping its playstyle.
While I like the lex incarnon I wish they went with like a railgun piercing shot instead of a short ranged wave
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Operator, have you seen this yet?
...I kid you not, he turned himself into a pickle!
Funniest *static* I've ever seen.
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I also have really been enjoying the event, I am hoping it becomes recurring. Once the first week of horrific bugs passed, anyway.
I wouldn't say it pushes my builds to the limit per say. It is fairly doable/easy with any builds, but I really appreciate the foresight from DE to have a lot of assorted gameplay elements in it. I feel like there isn't a weapon or warframe or focus school (or etc) that feels useless in Scarlet Spear. I can boot up Warframe, pick whatever build/loadout I want to play with, and it just works with the event. (Obviously, some warframes' kits are better/more advantageous), but in general, every character has a role they can fill and I feel like they're all pretty useful in their own way. The event has moments asking for CC, DPS, defense, and speed, at least one of which can be accomplished by each and every warframe. For the record, I don't think it's a very well designed event, but for what it is I can at least enjoy the gameplay. Warframe has always been about the insane number of choices and I'm a sucker for when DE adds gamemodes that allow me to use all of those choices.
Disruption is my other favorite "gamemode" in Warframe for the same reasons. I love how Disruption has a place for any warframe I choose. My only gripe with the event is how repetitive it is. It's the same objective, 17 times if you're on the ground. (I have opted to mostly ignore the railjack portion of the event after a few runs so I can't speak about it too much.) If there was a feeling of randomness or just different objectives in general to keep me on my toes, I might have liked it a little more.
And the earn rate seems pretty good, if you care about it. I try not to treat any gamemodes as "grinds." I know a lot of people play new content for the sole purpose of the loot, but I've always preferred when DE adds fun content over "good grinds." I liked the fact that DE added the Titania Prime relics into the rotations. I haven't gone and farmed for the new relics yet but I already have piles of them just from the event, and that it's nice that I didn't have to go out of my way to do that.
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23 hours ago, MPonder said:
You were clearly also talking about efficient Run in eidolon hunt, stating things like "there are only 3 Warframe that can DPS" and stating that an Excalibur player would drag a squad down, when those are not true. You are not just talking about fun.
You didn't get the "player experience" term and has all to do with it. I have more than 1700 hydro capture (that's my exp in Eidolon Hunt, again EXPERIENCE), Last time I checked, you had 6 hydro capture (that's your exp, which is almost 0). Me playing Nyx DPS in Eidolons hunt would do 100x a better job than you playing Chroma. Again, Player Exp > Warframe Choice in Eidolon Hunt, got it now or is difficult to read since you probably are not understanding what you are even typing.
Your statements about "practical use" is pointless and completily invalid with the game content. You can divide the game content in 3 parts: defending, killing and getting stuff. And just a pretty few Warframes are good at those. An high level excavation with Corpus, what would do without Limbo/Frostt there? Nothing. An high level Extermination or boss killing, Nuker or things like MIrage, getting stuff fast -> Volt/Wukong etc. Every game mode has specific good Warframes that excel in them, and so is on EIdolons. Even SS in getting a META after a few days. Eidolons is actually pretty versatille in Weapons Choices and Warframes, it is not like every weapom, but still can be do. You can even see 6x3 with people doing eidolons with Melee weapons.
You want to know what content Nyx or Grendel actually excel? No one. Grendel is a pointless Warframe.
"For an efficient Eidolon hunt that will finish before night ends you're forced onto a small selection of frames." by You. L2Read and that's not true btw.
I feel like you're just arguing for the sake of arguing. I could list random facts and nitpick about excavation like how you could use volt or vazarin or the sancti magistar or nyx or mag's bubble to achieve the same affect. I've done it many times. But that literally doesn't matter, and I don't care how you play your own games. I'm not going to nitpick over that single thing you stated because I know you're probably aware, and were just making a general statement. Because it's about your own personal view on fun and some random person on the forums shouldn't dictate that.
"Your statements about "practical use" is pointless and completily invalid with the game content. You can divide the game content in 3 parts: defending, killing and getting stuff. And just a pretty few Warframes are good at those. An high level excavation with Corpus, what would do without Limbo/Frostt there? Nothing. An high level Extermination or boss killing, Nuker or things like MIrage, getting stuff fast -> Volt/Wukong etc. Every game mode has specific good Warframes that excel in them, and so is on EIdolons."
Youre right, but I play for fun. Not meta. I play where a warframe is applicable, not efficient. I like to see where a warframe benefits a gametype. Mag is hot garbage but she's my favorite warframe because I love the way she interacts with the game.
My statement doesn't change when it comes to Eidolons arbitrarily gating off half of the warframes in the game. It doesn't take an immense amount of experience to see that from the get go.
Most of the warframes literally don't work, they're coded not to work. All it takes is to go into the plains at night, and press buttons and see that the majority of them do nothing to the Eidolon itself.
There's no lore reason, there's no balance reason, it's just a weirdly balanced and created gamemode.
That's why I don't play Eidolon hunts. I've said this a few times already. It's cool that you have a lot of hours in it, but I'm not interested in that. One look and I see that frames like Nyx and Mag are literally coded to not work there. That's all this is about. I don't care about efficiency, you can see that from my mastery. I don't even own frost or limbo because they're boring despite them being good at defending. I deleted them after playing them a few times.
So no, I completely understood what you were referring to when you said "experience," it doesn't change what I stated. I'm sure you know way more about it than I do, but what I said about choices isn't wrong. Most of them literally just don't do anything, and I don't like that.
Frames like Grendel are fun for me. I like to inhale things and spit them out. Yeah, he is far from good for any content, he literally sucks, but I actually don't care. It's fun and I like fun.
"For an efficient Eidolon hunt that will finish before night ends you're forced onto a small selection of frames." by You. L2Read and that's not true btw.
I already admit that I was more or less poking fun here. Like I said earlier, I could nitpick at tiny things you stated, but I don't, because I assume you're knowledgeable so I can assume that you're aware of things. Titania is the fastest warframe, but you didn't list her in your comment. You only listed volt and wukong. So what? I don't care. I'm not gonna point it out and talk about how wrong you are. Chill.
Eidolon hunts like the spider fights are balanced differently than the rest of the game and a lot of choices are null. That's why I don't play spider fights either, once I reached cap with Little Duck I stopped. The spider fights have the same flaws as Eidolon hunts.
I know that it's not true. You're not "forced" into 2 frames. It was an exaggeration and I assumed you would pick up on that. You can pick anytimg for any content in this game, but it won't always work due to the game arbitrarily being coded to not allow it. If you find Eidolon hunts fun, have fun. It doesn't concern me. Chill.
You still seem defensive over it for some reason, even after I admit that I lacked experience due to not caring for certain content, but you still seem to want to talk about it. I really don't care about your experience with Eidolon hunts. I'll pat you on the back for it. But I don't personally care about the content. The game with cool characters with different abilities should be not restricted because a gamemode says no. But I don't whine about it, I just ignore the content. So I'm done wasting time on this subject.
You seem to know a lot about Eidolon hunts. You're wasting your time trying to explain them to me. I see a gamemode that is unfriendly to most warframes, I don't play. It's simple. Please, take it to somebody else who actually cares about Eidolon hunts.
Will not be responding anymore, so if you feel like replying, that's cool. Someone will read it.
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19 hours ago, MPonder said:
Eidolons are about Player Exp, not Warframe choices. Player EXP Much, MUch > Warframe choice. You .. have ... 0 exp in eidolon hunt, that's why you are that dependent of Warframe choice or think Warframe choice is that important.
The DPS job is -> Fast change first lure, One SHot synovia, spawn wisps for your team. Are you seeing any "choose this Warfram" in any of those? No. Because you are bad at eidolons. The player make the Warframe usefull, not the other way around in Eidolon Hunt.
When things are difficult, people tends to hate it, normal. Meaning you give up in improve or even learn it. Imagine having 0 exp in something, giving up in trying to learn it, and still thinking you know what you are talking about??? That's you.
What are you going on about dude?
For the last time, I'm talking about fun. Player experience has nothing to do with it. I'm not dependent on warframe choice. I play warframe because I find the different armors unique and fun to experiment with.
When I boot up warframe, I want to play with a unique armor with unique guns that have unique properties that interact with enemies. I don't care to play a gamemode that has no practical use for Nyx's mind control, or where Grendel's ball form doesn't anything, or where I can mess around with Ash's teleport. Eidolon hunts just don't let me do those things.
You think that I dislike Eidolons because I can't crutch my way through them with a specific warframe choice; that is just not the case. I dislike them because the warframes I enjoy playing have no effect on the Eidolon of the hunt. They literally, mechanically are coded to not have any effect.
Difficulty is subjective, and I find Eidolons not difficult, but boring as all hell. It's great for focus/arcanes whatever, but that's accessible elsewhere in the game. Why would I suffer through the gamemode when I can get the rewards in another way?
I personally enjoy disruption. I also like arbitrations, so I play a lot of arbitration disruptions. It's not about the rewards or the experience, I don't care about any of that garbage. It's not about an aversion to learning or being scared about difficulty. I haven't mastered half of my ghost clan's weapons because I have no interest in doing so. I own most primes but I haven't mastered half of the normal frames. I do what I find fun, the video game is not a place where for me to suffer.
Could I easily play more Eidolon hunts?
Yes.
But why would I?
It's the same reason why I haven't leveled the normal Zephyr, why I haven't mastered the normal baza, why I haven't even touched the normal opticor. I already experienced the weapon or warframe, and whether it was fun or not. As with eidolons. I experienced the gamemode, decided it was not fun. I learned how to do them regardless, and capped the BARE MINIMUM for quills standing. I got the focus and arcanes another way.
It's my choice and it has nothing to do with this elitist "giving up" thing you're implying.
I don't know why you're acting so offended over what I've literally admitted is my own opinion. Is there really a reason to be so defensive? I'm literally giving my opinion and personal preference, and for some reason you're acting like Eidolon hunts are your entire life and I'm disrespecting your religion. Chill out dude. I might not know 100% what I'm talking about, but I'm quite certain from a literal google search that half of the unique warframe's kits just don't interact with the Eidolon at all. I choose not to play that gamemode because I like my armors to have an effect.
Christ dude, this isn't that serious.
Its simple. You have a different concept of fun than I do. You find learning the efficient and complicated mechanics of a single fight to be fun. That's fine. I don't, and that's okay, that's why the game has a multitude of gamemodes to play.
My favorite type of content is content where I can pick any warframe and their abilities won't be trivialized by arbitrary coding. I like to have fun. It's cool that you're passionate about Eidolon hunts, but spend that passion on someone else. I really don't care for them.
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23 hours ago, MPonder said:
I can bring any frame to a Eidolon hunt,and it would be more easy for 99.99999999999% of the players to drag me down and not the other way around. We pass the point that you need tank in Eidolon hunt since adaption exist + umbral mods with sentient resistence, and A lot of things work easily not dragging anybody down because there is a lot more stuffs that buffs weapons (Vigorous Swap, Arcanes in R5, mods sets, etc). I could easily do a 5x3 with Nyx. And with the new Corrupted mods with sentient damage, it will be much easier.
But again, you have 6 hydro capture = 0 exp to talk about it.
SS is a brain-dead event, that's why everything works, as long you protect the OpLinks in someway, Limbo/Frost or CCs. Eidolon has Redeemer that makes everything viable, SS has Zaw with Sacri mods for extra % damage to sentients + Exodia contagium.
The are 3 things that are really necessary in Eidolon hunt: Any DPS with Unairu, Madurai user(s) and people with propa+certus+(virtuos shadow). And only those, you can even do it without Volt right now if you have at least 2 people with actual Exp to oneshot shields.
Again, has nothing to do with the fact that you can do it easily. You're missing the point of why I'd rather do scarlet spear. It's choice. Nyx, outside of universally equippable weapons and mods, has no benefit in an eidolon hunt. Nyx herself does nothing in an eidolon hunt. You could slap on universal tools as mentioned but that doesn't change the fact that Nyx herself is useless for Eidolons. What purpose would any of her abilities serve during an Eidolon hunt? But her kit would be useful in scarlet spear.
Eidolons are not fun for me, that's why I have not done them. I did a handful solo and duo to experience the content, decided it sucked and was not fun. So never did them again. I finished Onkko standing and traded for the remaining arcanes, because it's not worth playing in my eyes. I like to play fun content that respects my choice. I would never return to Eidolons because they feel awful for me personally. In fact, I take pride in the fact that I own most of the good arcanes without wasting time with Eidolons. Not going over this again.
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On 2020-03-31 at 12:43 AM, MPonder said:
What are you talking about????
1- There are tons of Ivara 6x3 Vod on youtube.
2- There is no need for tanks on Eidolon Hunt.
3- All those I said, maybe except for Titania, have a decent buff to oneshot the sinovyas without the need of Extra buffs (like harrow).
I am aware.
I am stating that Eidolon hunts create a bad precedent in the game, where only few frames are useful. The warframe you choose in an Eidolon hunt barely matters outside of very few aspects. Frames that purely buff damage, or frames that protect the lures. That's it. You would be wasting everyone's time by bringing Nyx or Vauban to an Eidolon hunt.
Scarlet Spear has a use for every warframe, because there is a bit of every mission type in the event. There are mobile defense portions, a lot of enemies to kill or CC with abilities, and a boss to attack with squad buffers.
Eidolon hunts have a boss that is unaffected by enemy manipulating abilities and statuses, and little enemies that arbitrarily can only be damaged by an amp. There are lures to "protect" but those won't die if you have enough DPS and can finish the fight quickly.
On 2020-03-31 at 12:43 AM, MPonder said:2- There is no need for tanks on Eidolon Hunt.
There is technically no need for anything in the entire game. You could play all of the content in Warframe using Excalibur. You could do an Eidolon hunt with Excalibur if you wanted to but why would anyone do that? Nothing in his kit has any impact on the hunt whatsoever. You would be severely dragging down your squad if you brought Excalibur to an Eidolon hunt.
I can't think of a single warframe whose kit is completely useless in Scarlet Spear, but there are a ton in Eidolon hunts, restricting the fight to being just a straight damage sponge for damage buffers. If I want to play Warframe, I can boot up the game and join a Scarlet Spear Flotilla with whatever frame I want and they would be effective at doing something. That doesn't apply to Eidolon hunts.
It's a personal preference that I'd rather play an event that respects my choice than a gamemode that forces damage buffing frames. I have nothing else to say here.
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9 hours ago, MPonder said:
Let me Count Warframes that are decent at damaging eidolons: Ember, Garuda, Ivara, Mirage (if penta selfdamage is not fixed), Oberon, Octavia, Rhino, Volt, Titania, would put Chroma here is he wasn't dead. Plus any xit with Redeemer prime can kill Eidolons. That's make 42 of 42 Warframes because Redeemer exist, too few Warframes can do damage to Eidolons uh !
That was my fault for thinking that loosely saying "decent" would translate over the internet properly.
What I actually meant to say, was that of all the frames that can buff their own damage, there are a select few that do it to a point where the selection is comfortable to use. Using Ivara in an eidolon hunt could do okay damage, but nobody with an intact sanity would use Ivara in an optimized hunt when there are tankier, easier to use, and flat out better dps buffing options. If you want to do an optimized run of multiple Eidolons in a night with Ivara or Garuda, be my guest.
Volt is also the only frame that can buff operator damage during an Eidolon fight.
I'll stick to Scarlet Spear, where the mission isn't nearly as demanding of a specific pick and I can truly pick whatever frame I want, and I'll be able to use all of their abilities effectively. I could use Mag or Mesa to quickly dispatch of grineer, or use Umbra or Baruuk to mess around with sentients, or Gauss or Saryn to buff my dps against the Condrix, or Frost or Gara to protect Oplinks. The unique aspects and kits of those frames simply don't have any practical use in an Eidolon hunt (aside from using a redeemer prime, to which case, anyone can use a redeemer prime. Why wouldn't I just pick Inaros at that point. His kit is also useless in an Eidolon fight but he is tanky.)
EDIT: As an aside, I still don't understand the commotion about Chroma's "nerf." Getting hit by anything during an Eidolon hunt has always instantly charged my damage buff to its fullest and I've never had to use self damage in the past. I stand still and take a volley of projectiles from the Terralyst and I'm already at full buff. He literally has not changed in that regard.
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2 hours ago, GerberaOverture said:
you take limbo and keep up two buttons while being afk - sure is way more interesting than hunting eidolons
I find Scarlet Spear missions to be infinitely more interesting than hunting eidolons, for the sole reason that I can pick whatever warframe and weapons that I want and still reach Condrix 12 before the mission severely slows down due to lack of DPS on the Condrix. Some frames are good at taking out sentients, others are good at keeping the grineer at bay, and others are great for one shotting the Condrix.
There are like 3 frames that are even decent at damaging the eidolon and even less frames that can do anything whatsoever during the hunt. Using Limbo is a choice when playing Scarlet Spear, there are other choices that are equally/more efficient. For an efficient Eidolon hunt that will finish before night ends you're forced onto a small selection of frames.
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Hot take: I find the event to be fun and respectful of my time.
I haven't gotten bored of slamming Condrix after Condrix yet, despite there only being one set of tiles that the event is housed in -but that's a matter of personal preference.
Aside from the bugs and the incorrect scoring at times (which can be understandably annoying and frustrating) the earn rate of the event itself is pretty fair once I spent time to understand how the system works. Yesterday, I did a 17 Condrix run that lasted about 40 minutes and a shorter run that lasted about 25 in a duo squad. My earnings, after the bonus payout, totaled roughly 11k creds, almost enough to get 8 arcane guardians on the spot.
Comparatively, an Eidolon run (for the sake of the example, I will assume that a full squad of experienced players would do 3 cycles in a single night) would get me 9 random arcanes. I appreciate the fact that Scarlet Spear allows me to choose which arcanes I earn, and for a very similar amount of time spent. It's a breath of fresh air not having to fight eidolons and very convenient that I don't need to trade with other people to get the arcanes I want.
My only problem with the event (aside from the bugs) is the 100/100 Murex bonus. When a flotilla doesn't pull their weight, I receive 1/3 of the payout that I would normally get, which is very annoying and inconvenient considering that I contributed a decent amount to the flotilla. It feels out of my hands despite me investing time to help a flotilla.
I didn't play the event for the first few days, because I knew that DE would adjust earn rate in some capacity. I can't speak for the original bonus payout model. But when I started playing the event for the first time, I felt massively "ripped off" for my time. It was only when I figured out exactly how the system worked that I realized the grind:time ratio is actually pretty fair. I'd say that a large majority of players who feel "ripped off" do not understand the system yet. (and understandably so, DE did not explain it well and attempts at explaining it are mediocre.)
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I've found that Volt is probably the best solo frame to do ground missions with at the moment. Volt has all the tools to be fast, buff damage for the Condrix, and defend Oplink health.
Shock Trooper and Electric Shield buff corrosive weapons for the Condrix, with a good weapon you can dispatch of them quickly with a shot or two.
Shock Trooper and Speed give a significant damage boost for combating sentients with the Paracesis.
Speed makes you faster when travelling to the next Condrix.
Electric Shields can be used to protect the Oplink, I've been able to go to ~round 14 with Electric Shields surrounding my Oplink and rejuvenation in my aura slot before it starts to significantly take damage. You need around ~175 duration for the shields to last the entire defense phase, but you could also use a lower duration and just recast the shields.
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Okay, I'm actually starting to annoy myself
What started off as playing devil's advocate (in a way that was completely serious, to have a fun discussion to pass the time, mind you) turned into me losing a few brain cells, and has spiraled into people thinking I actually need a ballistica prime
First off, and I don't think this is relevant at all, but I'll say it anyway: I've already leveled and deleted my ballistica prime. I didn't like it. I actually have a second set in the foundry because I'm a collector. I didn't need to trade for it, but if I did, there are plenty of low-end prices on warframe.market I could use. In fact, nobody ever buys this thing. I could probably find one in trade chat for cheaper with the filter.
And no, I don't seriously think we need an "auction house." I wasn't lying when I said I don't trade much, but that doesn't mean I'd want to ruin the experience for everyone who does like to trade. Why would I want to force a new system upon people who already use the current system, and successfully so? Nobody should advocate to harm other player's experience just because they don't play that gamemode/use that mechanic/etc. Unless there is something inherently wrong with it to the point where it's actually a problem. There's literally nothing wrong with the trade chat. It kind of sucks sometimes (due to the people, not the chat's existence) but that comes with the territory of being a chat.
A simple example that many of you could probably relate to; I have dozens of duplicate sets of primes, corrupted mods, arby mods, etc. I'm not even that high level, at MR 20-21ish. (I forget.) If we were to get an "Auction house," I would be able to just instantly list all of my items for 1 plat. I wasn't doing anything with them anyway, so what's the harm? I'd probably get an instant 100-200 plat from that. But at the same time I would instantaneously depreciate the value of all of those items. Even with severe limits (daily listing limits similarly to daily trade limits) you'd still see thousands of listings like this every day. Players offloading their entire inventories and destroying the market within seconds of the system's addition. It would be insanely easy for a player with a decent playtime to drop the median established price of any item single-handedly, and even easier for a new player to buy 10 corrupted mods with their starting plat. Stuff like potatoes would seem daunting to a new player at 20 plat, when you could just go get blind rage for 1 plat.
It would actually harm new/free players, because now they can't sell their derelict vault mods for decent amounts of plat, for example. They would have to rummage through their rivens and try to make a decent sale off that, which is not the best strategy. Rivens with specifically decent-good stats and actually unobtainable mods like primed chamber would be the only things left that have any actual value. It's a hypothetical, but it's also a scary possibility. Stay mindful that this isn't the only reason an "auction house" would be bad. There are many other reasons, this is just one I thought of on the spot.
I tried coming up with reasons why an "auction house" would be a good idea, I honestly couldn't. There are barely any upsides to something like that.
I'm not very knowledgeable on the subject, admittedly, but there are many very detailed explanations as to why it would do way more harm then good from various people on this very thread. I'm gonna log off before I cause more brain damage to myself
However I would be very interested to see if anyone has a good reason for an "auction house" to exist. I unironically, unsarcastically, seriously, would like to hear it.
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55 minutes ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:
You had problems because you wrote a WTB that didn't give a price range, and greedy people who saw it tried to take advantage of you.
That has nothing to do with not having an auction house.
Try writing it but put "2 plat" instead of "I haz plat".
But I do haz plat!
That is the problem.
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I am a part of those free players. I find trading to be difficult (as I gave my ballistica prime reference)
I not have one because of it.
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Also it wasn't lag. I am on mobile (the reason why I haven't been bothered to actually take time to quote your things properly when I reply as I did with other posts on this forum)
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14 hours ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:
Me too, but you still seem to be several posts behind, let's try to help you get up to speed.
Firstly, that's a very odd worldview you have. "Fair price" is an odd term and will always depend on both parties agreeing. It's not something that you can dictate unilaterally. It's obvious that the sellers you've been in contact with, disagree with you about what that "fair price" is.
Perhaps you should tell us what you are writing in chat to ask for the item. Is it something along the lines of "wtb ballistica prime lower limb 2 plat"?
The auction house you are looking for, would mean that practically every item will be selling for about that. This makes it harder and harder for the free players to get any plat from trading. Recall that they're still a major part of the success of the game.
Also I got plat the other day by selling a prime junk". I think it's fairly easy for a new player to obtain platinum.
EDIT: I know you think it's odd but that's my world.
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14 hours ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:
Me too, but you still seem to be several posts behind, let's try to help you get up to speed.
Firstly, that's a very odd worldview you have. "Fair price" is an odd term and will always depend on both parties agreeing. It's not something that you can dictate unilaterally. It's obvious that the sellers you've been in contact with, disagree with you about what that "fair price" is.
Perhaps you should tell us what you are writing in chat to ask for the item. Is it something along the lines of "wtb ballistica prime lower limb 2 plat"?
The auction house you are looking for, would mean that practically every item will be selling for about that. This makes it harder and harder for the free players to get any plat from trading. Recall that they're still a major part of the success of the game.
I was typing "I would like to buy a ballistic and prime please, I have some platinums in my inventory" and then I would get "selling ballistica 300 plat." And it's a bad system.
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14 hours ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:
Me too, but you still seem to be several posts behind, let's try to help you get up to speed.
Firstly, that's a very odd worldview you have. "Fair price" is an odd term and will always depend on both parties agreeing. It's not something that you can dictate unilaterally. It's obvious that the sellers you've been in contact with, disagree with you about what that "fair price" is.
Perhaps you should tell us what you are writing in chat to ask for the item. Is it something along the lines of "wtb ballistica prime lower limb 2 plat"?
The auction house you are looking for, would mean that practically every item will be selling for about that. This makes it harder and harder for the free players to get any plat from trading. Recall that they're still a major part of the success of the game.
Thank you for taking the time to do that,
but now .
i want my auctions so I can get my ballistics prime easier. But also because it's essential to my warframe experience and until I get my mastery from the ballistica I will keep asking for an auction house. I think it's awsome and do want it but also it'll help playerbase around the world
I am also a free player but alas, probably not relevant.
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1 minute ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:
Oh we're not talking about your teeth or guitar here. We're talking about trying to avoid making deleterious choices.
I'm glad we're on the same page.
Now, with that out of the way, we should get an official marketplace-like thing incorporated into Warframe. Be it an auction house, whatever. I think it would be a good addition and would only benefit players. For example, I have been looking for a Ballistica prime Lower Limb since I got the game and they're all being sold for overpriced values in trade chat. I really want a Ballistica Prime.
With an auction house, I'd be able to get it with a fair price (and probably overnight), away from my console/PC. Other players, who are also seeking a Ballistica Prime, could do the same (Obviously this is just an example. I don't expect all players to need one.). I'd imagine this feature might "hurt" vets of the game, but we need to consider the new player experience. Especially when it comes to trading. There are so many things I don't have yet because there is no auction house, and I'm sure many could agree with me.
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8 minutes ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:
Can't keep your own story straight? Always a bad sign. Worse if you are going to advocate for a change, try to pick one that won't hurt the game.
And by hurt the game, you need to understand that just because you and I may not make much use of the trade, it's still a very important part of the developers being able to keep the lights on.
So if you want to keep playing warframe, yes killing the economy is going to affect you, regardless of how much trading you do.
I will pick what I want and I will pick it fiercely. I don't need to understand anything to pick, I've been picking all my life and it has had no adverse effects.
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16 minutes ago, Mest_Gryder said:
I see many hurt people who try to defend their profit and do not provide any good concept in exchange
and I see people who seem to spend their life on the forum.There's actually a handful of people requesting to keep the current system the same. There's nothing wrong with the absence of an auction house. The game functions as usual anyway.
You don't see many "good concepts" because it's rather difficult to come up with one that wouldn't destroy the economy. It's easier to leave it the way it is. Way harder to formulate a new trading mechanic that would please everyone.
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12 minutes ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:
Ah yes the "I've not a clue, and refuse to go find one, and if it does bad things to a game that's not really in a great position, we'll claim we did it for the lulz" strategy.
Btw the no was in response to a nonsensical claim, because any other reply would have been wasted.
No, I am being serious and not claiming any "lulz" strategy. Since the beginning of this comment chain I did not care, and I made that clear. I still don't. I don't trade. There is literally no reason for me to.
I still think it would be a good change if we got an "Auction House."
I will however continue to reply if you wish to comment further. Again, not claiming any "lulz" strategy, I just don't care and have made that clear since the start. I care about other topics (See my other comments here and on reddit) just not trading. Trading in a video game is a funny concept to me and I enjoy the discussions it brings. +edit Just because somebody doesn't care about something, doesn't immediately make it a "lulz" strategy. We all find our fun in different ways. (And while it would've been fun, that's not what I'm doing here.)
Edit 2: I realize I was not clear from the start. Which automatically defaults to me having cared about the original things I stated. So we'll go with that one
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Just now, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:
And that's exactly why you're not talking about anything useful. You need to look at the economic framework for Warframe and ask "what will happen if they do what I'm asking". Until you know the answer to that, then you'll never be able to propose a good system for Warframe.
Quite a number of us have thought about it and come to the exact same conclusion. Increasing supply, while not simultaneously increasing demand leads to prices crashing.
The problem is that with very few exceptions, supply all items which can be traded in this game must eventually exceed demand. Prices will fall, and the greater you make the supply side of the equation, the worse it is going to be over time. This isn't a "7 years later" problem, it's potentially a "within 24 hours" problem. Some may argue that it's currently a "less than a day".
Again this is a very simple concept. It should be immediately apparent to you once you begin to think about how supply and demand work in Warframe's economic ecosystem.
No.
I know I'm not talking about anything useful. I'm not proposing a grand update to the trading system. I hardly ever trade, it's not important to me.
I have no interest in studying the economic framework for a video game, the forums are just fun to mess around on. You're replying to me like there is a genuine danger that is a threat to the community and you must protect it; that DE will see my comment and think "That's a good idea," and add it. There is no chance of that. Relax.
If the prices crash because of something like this, I would remain unaffected. It's fun to see discussions like this on forums, though.
I also think it's funny that you straight up just said "no" to my hypothetical opinion paragraph like that would stop a normal person from functioning or something
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23 minutes ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:
Uh hi? You're on the Warframe forums. This isn't TF2. While you may use Steam to open the game, this game is not a Valve product, and shouldn't be confused with one.
Totally missed the mark with that one. Wanna give it another try?
Vaulted parts don't seem to be anywhere near as rare as you seem to think. That would pretty much only be the items that can no longer be gotten in game at all, like the arcane helmets or whatever, and the truly unique things like the god-tier rivens.
I'm comparing the implementation of an official marketplace in Warframe to the official marketplace that Steam games have. Not comparing Warframe with TF2. I gave an example of a singular game that has a marketplace this way that has a successful economy, but there are many other examples. I chose one that I have a lot of experience with.
Nope. I don't believe I missed the mark on that, unless you are talking about something completely irrelevant, because I think I replied pretty well. EDIT: I see what you mean about the prices changing. I still don't think it's an issue. It's expected. I didn't "expect" the price changes 7 years later, but I don't care. It's natural. When something is so abundant, it'll drop in price. That's reasonable and makes sense and how it should already be. People complaining about the market changing into way the market should already be is not something I care about. I completely understand the "issue" vets have with the implementation of the system, and the sudden drop of "demand" it would have, I just don't care -when it would benefit most players.
Hence why the "changing of prices" wouldn't matter much. I don't see any issues, personally. With any of it. The current garbage "market" that warframe has versus an official one would see little changes other than an actual steady pricelist and not people trying to sell their prime sets for triple their recommended amount. They're both fine options but I personally think an official one would be only beneficial (despite not using either)
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