[Every this is pink]

I thought I was alone. 

Only on my Switch

Pink squares replacing planet nodes, replacing item locations on the mini map (covers enemy locations), pink squares covering part of the liset. Mini map flashing, squiggles and dancing on Mars extermination missions (literally unreadable), icons in the orbiter replaced with large "Z" shapes. Part of the map (doors, hallways, walls) completely disappearing, sometimes I see the other side of the door or wall, sometimes it's blank. Enemy sometimes look like they zig zag teleport (just one of them or a few at a time). Falling through the ground/map in the plains by the lake with a continuous loop.

This is what I am experiencing. Doesn't matter how long I play but is definitely worse the longer I play. Reloading the game helps but not all the time.

Weird bugs

[Game is too easy and caters to noobs]

No, not being facetious. I just laughed at it when I wrote it because that is exactly what I did as well. This is my 3rd time and it is Solo. The other times were with friends and it was a totally different experience. 

This is exactly what I was talking about though. I'm not you and YES, it is difficult. In the beginning your weapons aren't that good and the mods are broken. So, yes, it takes a lot of bullets and knowledge of the mechanics. You can't win an argument about this. You don't know me and you don't know the vast majority. I have witnessed a LOT of veterans projecting. Just because you haven't seen them doesn't mean they don't exist. I can say without a doubt that you are projecting. For you and probably others that you know, it's not hard. You simply can't say "it's not hard" as you are projecting your abilities on me but you can say "it's not difficult me me."  For you. How, how can you for one second say that this isn't true. You don't know me. It would be nice if you added "Here's how or let me help." You definitely are a better player than me. I envy you. I wish I was better. I've heard "Git Gud" too many times. This is not a friendly invitation.

I do agree though, players that aren't equipped to handle the really difficult stuff do complain but they really  shouldn't even try it. They're not ready. 

I stated that I understand both sides. I also said newbies need help. I need help and I'm not new. I still don't understand everything. Friends that I played with didn't teach me. I just ran with them. And by friends I meant players that friended me not actual people I know.

You know it's simply dumbfounding. When someone says they understand both sides or they don't understand the game, so many players project. That doesn't make the player feel good about themselves. That simply doesn't help. And really, that's what they're asking for.... Help.

And DE, this is a fantastic game. I've put a lot of money into it. I totally support this awesome game. I suck at it but I love it to death. Sorry though, this play through I haven't spent any money.

 

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I've read quite a bit of complaints on the difficulty of Warframe. The elite say it's too easy and they want more challenges. The new players say it's too hard. 

What I find interesting is that they are both correct. I am perplexed with the arguments. Most don't want to hear or understand the other side and the comments bounce all over the place.

Players are faced with the same challenges in just about every game out there. You start with nothing, rank up your powers, weapons or both until you hit the final boss and beat the game.

If I was totally ranked up in dark souls and started new game plus it would be considerably easier. I have everything I need. I know every enemy and every boss. I know, I've done it many times. It's still one of my favorite games. 

Which brings me to my point. 

Veterans, stop projecting your experience on other players. While it may be easy for you it may not be easy for others. You've been at this a while and you've gotten pretty good at the game. You know what to do and how to do it. And yes, new challenges that are considerably more difficult would be right up your alley. Warframe has no ending, no endgame. It's an awesome game so it stands to reason you want more. 

New players, I've been there. I totally get you. Yes, it is a very challenging game. Hang in there. I've felt like abandoning this game a few times. If you play solo it is an extremely difficult game. It can be done though. The game plays smoothly is your playing with others. Some would argue that this is a multi player game. I would remind them though, there is "Solo" option and it's not JUST for playing by yourself when you want to. I do, however, use it when I am playing syndicate missions as some players just want to run through the missions. And I play solo if I want to farm for minerals, go fishing or simply because I want to open every locker.

I sometimes play solo because of intimidation. I've played with some that just get  pi $$ ed  at me. Quite a few as a matter of fact, even those that knew my handicap and offered their help. Nope, I don't understand the synergies of Warframes, focus schools and weapons. I have learned some things from players on the internet but try as I may I don't have it down. Yet, I continue on. I love the game.

I've read the comments that say "Cripple yourself in some way and then you will understand." That just brings conflict. The easiest way would be to ask them to open another account and start over... solo. Lol, that'll show them. Don't get mad. I am just referring to the comments. I really don't feel that way.

This brings me to my final point. 

The Warframe community is supposed to be friendly and helpful. For the most part it is. But, projecting yourself on others is not helpful. We are all different. Some players forget and are quick to judge or dismiss those that are having problems.

But do you have the patience to carry and train? Because that's what we need.

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19 hours ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

Well that suggests that you have a very, very small sample size to be making the following assertion:

It suggests that you are well aware that you have made a statement where you know that you are able to cherry pick. 

 

Weird, this time there is less of a "the sky will fall and the game will die if you keep us from being able to do buy what is not a cosmetic reward". 

https://forums.warframe.com/?app=core&module=system&controller=content&do=find&content_class=forums_Topic&content_id=1066474&content_commentid=10609833

Folks are free to, and encouraged to follow the conversation all the way back to the beginning to confirm if they want. 🙄

Yeah, kinda funny that you would claim that right after I pointed out that I'm really not:

 

Now, one final question:

Really, though, who are you trying to fool with that bad acting?

 

 

Glad to hear that you're having a better time!

It's a major problem we've got in warframe, lots of people who don't have the information, end up listening to the people who are complaining about stuff that may not even be true... (lots of people are still trying to claim 70% participation which was floated by some random at the start of the event based on very little information). 

But you're not the only person who was having a hard time getting stuff done. We've also seen veterans complaining about how difficult certain things are, but when you look at the details they're giving, it turns out that they are just doing things in a really really inefficient way. 

The great part is that as a community lots of people are going to be happy to help you out if you just let them know that you are having a tough time. It's a big part of why we have stuff like recruiting chat, just explain that you are new, and have read the wiki but it's your first time so you'll do your best but might need help. Most folks will understand because we were all there at some point. Being in a clan can help you find others to help as well. 

And as long as you are having fun, you will find that a lot of stuff that people are complaining about really is not a problem...

We don't have to worry about missing out on rewards we don't want to try to get. We don't need to have a super specific build to make our way through the game. We don't need hundreds of Nitain all at once to build any given thing. We don't need all the alert weapons at once, most will tell you that they are not even that great. 

And all of this will roll around again when you are stronger and can do more. You will get it all if you just stick around, and you'll stick around if you are having fun. So just have fun and you are good to go. 😉 👍

Oh my gosh! You've been the best source of information I've seen on this Game. You're not judging, not critical, just very helpful.

Got a real problem though. I have Essential tremors and guiding through the levels can be a challenge at times. I started out with Excalibur, nice frame, but I've yet to master him. I tend to forget what he can do when I'm in the heat of battle. But that's on me. I should have started out as Volt. Running would be better than bullet jumping into doorframes. Lol. My problem is trying to keep up. The others will be waiting for me at extraction before I can get started or they're on the other side of the map which leaves me fighting for my life. Lol, but that's on me.

I'm having a blast but I sometimes get a player or two that are super critical of my "Style" lol. Rushing like others through the levels adds a level of stress that really causes me to really make mistakes. 

So, all in all, I've managed to make friends that are understanding. And really, I'm not that bad. I just can't fly through spy missions.

You've been super helpful. Thank you.

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On 2019-03-26 at 6:51 PM, (XB1)Tornicade said:

Wow....this was not my experience at.....first....mk1 weapons level pretty smoothly....2nd pug squading is natural part of the game.3rd the only plat you need to spend is 25 of the starter plat to get a reactor..4th the first 6 quest has everything you need to get started..5th a new player experience is slated for implmentation into the game...6th low level alert type missions exist in syndicates. 7th all mk1 weapons can be scrapped for slots once you upgrade..8th quality weapon upgrades can be had as low as mr 2.for credits. 9th plenty of complete researched clans that will let people join just to access bps. 10th nightwave daily alerts are alerts anyone can do...thats up to 7 k rank a week for a tier system that only requires 10k a tier...finding a couple 1ks and 3k to do is by far not a stretch...

 

You got bad info when you started warframe that put you focused on stuff that doesnt  matter .nightwave isnt a replacement for alerts its an solid upgrade with a few kinks to smooth out. one of the problems is vets telling new players they need adifferent warframe every time you run into a  hitch[like when i was stuck on the first 3 for 3 req spy mission i was told to get this frame or that frame when all i needed was to get better with my frame

 

 

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You're absolutely right! Thank you!

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On 2019-03-25 at 3:25 PM, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

Yeah they're about to be in higher demand for Baro at Tennocon. The problem most newbs have is that they think they can sell those unwanted items for big plat. They have value as junk to turn into ducats, but most of us don't care what pieces we get. If anyone tries to tell you that you have to give them unique parts or specific items, just say "sorry I'm not able to do that" and leave because they're cheating you. If they want specific stuff, then they can pay full price. 

The eidolon is really endgame content. You can't really do it until you get pretty far in the quests. And yeah some of the people playing there are pushing for the elite crowd to be the ones who join them, but even the casuals would probably have told you that you were way out of your depth. Focus on doing a bunch of the bounties instead, you'll benefit a lot more from some of those drops. 

But I'd honestly advise that you farm the bosses, starting with venus for Rhino. He will survive ridiculous situations if you play him right. 

For right now, don't sweat about the nightwave. Do what you can to make it through the challenges and get as many creds as possible. Get the materials you will need like some Nitain, and the mods you can grab. In general forget the majority of those weapons you'll be able to buy a lot of blueprints from the market and can use that to rank up. Potatoes are amazing but a bit of a waste if you are using them on weapons you're going to dump. 

 

Regarding Chroma, yeah he can boost his damage, but you don't need the prime for that. Yes they're a little stronger but if you aren't already maxed out its not as big of a deal as you might think. Take your time and learn the game, and get the better mods. What you're facing is something that stumped most of us at one time or another. Folks will probably help you along if you ask for advice. 

 

Most important, have fun. Don't be a hater like the wannabe edgelords and haters making a big deal out of this. You'll get stronger quickly andrew soon be able to get all the stuff you want. 

 

Good luck, Tenno. 

Thank you for your advice. It's turning out to be different than I thought. My advice to other players would be to chill and just enjoy the game. Have fun with it. Listening to all the negative strips the positive. Yes, things have changed. No, you don't have to like it. Everyone's entitled to their opinion, good or bad. I've discovered that keeping an open mind is key. 

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Nightwave is fun but most of the challenges are way out of my league. I want to play all of them but I need a group that has a lot of patience.

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On 2019-03-26 at 6:51 PM, (XB1)Tornicade said:

Wow....this was not my experience at.....first....mk1 weapons level pretty smoothly....2nd pug squading is natural part of the game.3rd the only plat you need to spend is 25 of the starter plat to get a reactor..4th the first 6 quest has everything you need to get started..5th a new player experience is slated for implmentation into the game...6th low level alert type missions exist in syndicates. 7th all mk1 weapons can be scrapped for slots once you upgrade..8th quality weapon upgrades can be had as low as mr 2.for credits. 9th plenty of complete researched clans that will let people join just to access bps. 10th nightwave daily alerts are alerts anyone can do...thats up to 7 k rank a week for a tier system that only requires 10k a tier...finding a couple 1ks and 3k to do is by far not a stretch...

 

You got bad info when you started warframe that put you focused on stuff that doesnt  matter .nightwave isnt a replacement for alerts its an solid upgrade with a few kinks to smooth out. one of the problems is vets telling new players they need adifferent warframe every time you run into a  hitch[like when i was stuck on the first 3 for 3 req spy mission i was told to get this frame or that frame when all i needed was to get better with my frame

 

 

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You are absolutely right. Listening to the wrong players. Experiencing Warframe I have to tell you. I was wrong. I would like to experience more than I do. I joined a clan that wasn't for me. We had a language barrier. A lot of clans have a MR minimum ranking. I would like to be a part of a nice clan. So I've been playing solo and with random players.

That said, thank you Veterans for helping. I need a patient group to be a part of. I'm not the best player. I'm not sure how the recruitment chat works. I know you may think "huh?" 

Thanks for your patience.

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8 hours ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

Hi. You're a Tenno, one of many. We often help one another get to places, and farm for resource. But while we are very powerful, we don't read minds. Ask for help, and we'll help. 

But yes, I mentioned that the lack of easy resources for newer players is one of my concerns. 

Oh but you see we are generally happy to help you to get more. It's why we are able to, and often do mark off special rare items for the other members of our squad to come and collect. If we weren't willing to help and accept help, this game would be a lot worse off than it is today. 

Again, not really. I have seen newbs complaining because they thought that skipping the MR requirement and buying a high level weapon would help them get ahead. Then they found out that that swords have stances, and without that, or the more exotic mods, the omgwtfbbq weapon that they wanted wasn't as good as it seemed. I can't remember what they were demanding, it was probably a refund or free stances to be included in the weaponry purchase. Whatever it was it was silly, and just highlighted that they thought that they could pay to win. 

Again, mostly what the plat does is speed things up. You don't have to wait 3 days for the frame to be built, or you can get the parts you are missing without as much grind. 

That's not true at all. Just run Lith or Coba or Tikal. It'll help you to rank your weapons and soon you will have more relics than Indiana Jones on an archeological dig site! Then run Lith fissures you can get to, and open them. 

The ones that you got from the alerts were not generally any better, despite having occasionally misleading descriptions. 

You think that they stealth nerfed xp? It's more likely that you're doing something weird, like not standing near the squad, you get passive xp from their kills. It is spread across your weapons and frame. And remember if you are busy killing with your abilities, you don't earn xp on your weapons. 

Oh and the weapons and frames don't benefit past Max rank. 

You don't need to know anyone buying them, just go in trade chat and type, "WTS prime junk, 5 for 10p, inv pls" then hit send. You will get flooded with requests, and run out of trades in no time flat. But you will have plat to buy slots as needed. And at this stage trying to buy the best mods will just leave you disappointed. Many of them you won't be able to fuse fully, and if you do, you won't have capacity for them. 

 

I know that you will not want to hear it, but you are really better off farming for the mods and learning how they work, than trying to rush to become powerful. 

What did they taxi you to? Many of the challenges don't require specific locations, and the ones that do tend to be more advanced. 

Ask in recruiting for a newb friendly clan with the research complete. I can't advise you on those for 2 reasons. The first is that we're on different platforms, and the other is that I built my own clan dojo and don't really care to join any other. But I still play with randoms all the time. 

And like I said playing with a squad helps you level stuff soooooo much faster. 

Very much so, Tenno. That's true of most things that are worth it. 

You really should just focus on your progress for now. If you can get Rhino he'll be a big help as you go along. 

Play in a random squad. Defense against Grineer or corpus is better than against infested, unless you are getting extra xp for using a weapon-type 

Like I said before, good luck, Tenno. 

Thank you for the advice. I've Solo'ed through to the Jupiter junction. Valkyr is deadly and I can't beat her. But then again I'm way ahead of myself. I just wanted to see if I could do it. I wanted to get to Ceres, Seminie.(spelling) just to see if I could level up there. Still 1-3 k on unranked weapons and with an affinity bonus.

From the Jupiter junction I went back to Ceres. Tried to level my weapons. Saw the 1-3k. Quit the game. I did focus on the weapons. Didn't use my powers at all. That is until I ran out of bullets. 

I did all of this because I failed the quests..... Over and over. So I thought "level up these weapons." The leg up on the Primes referred to higher damage resistance and power even unranked. I watched a friend with Chroma and I was in awe. But he really looks like a difficult frame to master. His Sword just sliced through them like cheese, unranked.

I hear what you're saying and it really never occurred to me that junk prime parts were of any value. 

I'll seek out a clan and play with randoms. The level I caused the hate was in cetus with the eidilon. Oops.

I'll go back to the quests. I don't have a serious problem with spy missions. But the last one I did I failed time and time again.

Thanks for the advice. I'll give it a shot.

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7 hours ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

Let's do this one first. Even with platinum you will find that you need to work your way up. Plat speeds you along but it doesn't give you a "press here to win". Those weapons you think you want, they're not as good as you figure, and it's all down to what you can mod the ones you have, to do. More on plat in a bit. 

 

You're thinking about the old alerts. A lot of the time newbs couldn't even get to the alert in time to get the reward, so they asked for a taxi. All you had to do was find out someone willing to carry you through the mission. Many of us were willing to help out, but a lot of the time it involved reviving them over and over, or rushing to finish and extract before they had a chance to get killed. 

The challenges do require you to actually complete more of them yourself. But you can choose how you are going to do that. And you can still ask for help with some of the ones you can't do on your own. 

Stop. Stop right there.

Any prime blueprint can be traded for platinum. On PC its going to be on average a minimum 2 plat per part, but some rarer parts can go for more. And right now prime junk is about to be in higher demand. You don't need to refine the relics, just go in groups and choose the best rewards.

So you can get plat from the Lith relics. You won't get omgwtfbbq levels of plat, but you will find that you can make a fair chunk in a couple of days. Later on you'll be able to trade for larger amounts. 

For now it'll be enough to get slots and the occasional pieces of gear that you may be looking for. Those should be your primary focus for now. 

And what exactly is it that we have so much of? A bunch of cosmetics we don't use, some fodder weapons that have really great descriptions and really bad stats? Or a handful of mods that we usually only need one of at a time? 

I'd guess that the lack of the easy resources is probably going to be more of a pain to you in the medium term. 

Seen more of it going in the other direction really. Even you said that the vets are willing to help you out with the challenges. Kind of contradictory to claim that they're all being so mean to you. 

 

 

Sorry to tell you this Tenno, but starting off is hard. The further you get the faster you'll find that you can go. Stick with it and you'll find it getting easier. 

 

Good luck. 

I truly believe that you are trying to be helpful. So, thank you.

Nightwave was introduced and Alerts we're dropped. So what is the difference? It was easier. That puny $1000 credit Alerts (I know, there's nodes where it's nothing to bring in 20k+ but I'm not there yet) were a big help and there were a lot more rewards offered than just cosmetics. So, it was helpful and it was sort of a relief from the grind to do a simple run for a resource desperately needed - not just Nitain lol. 

And doggone it, Nightwave offers so much more! I totally agree 💯.

But what was it that you have plenty of? Well, everything. All the resources you can carry. And yes, you earned it, every bit of it. And no, I don't feel entitled to it. 

I know, Plat isn't a button but I know people buy it. Otherwise DE would be out of business. If you bought any of the Prime access or Unvaulted Primes you've got one heck of a leg up, a HUGE leg up. And A lot of plat is offered in those packs so why not? 

When you start out new, you don't get very many relics. And because the nodes aren't open to you your options are very limited on runs. So, you're going to have to buy plat to keep the stuff you got. Or, you might just say "I'm glad I didn't keep that junk."

The weapons, they're just not any good and your mods are all flawed. I know you can take any weapon and make it great with the proper mods way, way further in the game. But early on? Your best weapon may be your melee weapon but even that doesn't cut it. 

Something else has happened to the game. With all of the arguments over Alerts it's flown under the radar. Less ranking point for your weapons. I've watched a lot of players new and vets. On one of the nodes that I've seen them play it was nothing to see 6 - 12 k of a Warframe or weapon ranking up. But now it's much lower, like 1-4k. I've been playing around 100 hours and only my Warframe, and the first weapons you start out with are at 30 but now it's ridiculous. I've tried just equipping one weapon. What a disaster. Lol. Ran out of bullets which mostly just bounced off of the enemies. I know you mod them to the enemies, corrosive for armor, etc.  So, just 2 weapons. Oh no! Yep, emptied every clip with nothing to spare. So, I have the boltor and the furis with flawed mods and no catalysts. After a hundred hours you think they would be at 30. Maybe I'm crazy.

Back to the plat. If you have it you can buy better mods. I don't know anyone buying trash prime pieces though. And there's no way to earn enough plat at this stage. Just getting through the levels are just crazy.

Also, yes, some vets are willing to help but I was referring to the posts. Yep, downright mean. So, no, it wasn't contradictory. Could have looked like that I suppose.

Players getting taxied is nothing new. What I was referring to is the ridiculously difficult tasks in Nightwave. I was taxied once and even though they knew I was a noob I still got an earful. Obviously we didn't get the prize.

So ok, what next? Join a clan? Which one? Some have insane rules. And some have MR restrictions. I've been on the recruitment channel. I'm an ok player. Just ok. I don't have friends that play it anymore. So, I did try to play with randoms. That's an idea but we separate faster than cockroaches when the lights are turned on. I can't type fast enough. I've been playing solo since I started, a random a time or two.  

But like I said, I love Warframe. But starting out is really, really hard. I can't afford to pay for a Prime access or Unvaulted Primes. Frost and Ember looked pretty cool. But alas, it's not meant to be. I tried very hard today and wound up walking away from it after seeing 1k - 2k time after time after time, trying to level up my weapons for hours. You could barely see the line move.

Maybe tomorrow

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But it looks like the players that are kinda mean to the newbies have everything, did everything and know everything. Not fair, not fair at all. The game is seriously overwhelming to a new player. Do they just want to keep it for themselves? I'm still MR3. The grind is painful. Just a little bit too slow to level up and I'm putting a lot of time and effort into the game.

If I'm going to ride along with an experienced player or players that can easily knock out the tasks in Nightwave, then what's the purpose of Nightwave? It would be easy, according to them. I'd just doing my best and having to be revived all the time. But hey, at least I would have the prize.

The novice player can do the easy ones in Nightwave but that's usually just 4 or 5 and maybe a weekly. Then with the daily, that really isn't daily (I know for a fact as I have been playing every day) there's only a refreshing 1 or 2 that a new player can do. 

Know this - if you start off with Excalibur, his first, second and melee weapon, it's going to be a slow climb. That is unless you buy plat. You can buy your way through the game with plat. At first almost every mod you get is flawed..... For a while. No Auras. You get 50 plat but that's a bad number. 52 would be right. 12 for weapon slots the other 40 for whatever floats your boat. But 50 means I have to buy more.

So, I've heard you can sell mods and prime parts. Anyone up for some flawed mods or odd and end prime parts? You don't get very many relics for quite a while and most are lith. The first group. Yes, there are some that you can use to get good prime parts but you have to make them more valuable and you can't get very many void traces to use for that. 

So you've played through a few planets and got Rhino and Mag. You don't have the resources to build them. A grind, sometimes frustrating but mostly fun. Then what. You've got slots for extra weapons and Warframe but what's next. Sweet, a new sniper rifle or shotgun. Where are you going to put them? And that shinny new frame? What to do? Oh, that's right, buy plat. Oh yeah, sell the weapons and make room. Start all over again with bad mods. You don't get good ones till later in the game. Don't say farm for good prime parts and good mods. Don't you dare! You can't. You're new. You're restricted. And I mean you just can't, not yet. Try starting over and play it solo with no plat other than what you start with.

So, let's say you push forward and try to move further. Prepare to die, a lot. You're not going anywhere with a simple weapon and bad mods. Use a catalyst and a reactor, that's what that 50 plat is for. Hmm, I can put more broken mods on but oops, no they're duplicates. Darn. Use some Endo and rank them up! Still, they're broken. Endo, Endo, where can I get that? Well, it falls from some enemies and you can dissolve extra mods for Endo. Oh, there's the statues. They're worth a bunch of Endo. If only you find some. You're lucky if you do. The low levels? I found one and that was great but I used up the Endo on bad mods.

If you're wanting to keep any of the other Warframes or weapons, you're going to have to buy plat. Some weapons require you to have a couple of different weapons in order to build them. To do that, you'll need to buy plat. You'll need more slots. These weapons become available to you later, after you've got that cool hex or something you'll need to keep, so, more slots means you're going to have to buy plat.

You'll want to save Rhino, Loki, and many of the other Warframes in order to play certain nodes. Yes, new slots so buy plat.

You're not going to be able to sell mods and good prime sets for quite a while. So you're going to have to buy plat for your new shinny Warframes and weapons.

Unless....... You ride along with experienced players. Then you'll get good stuff. Chances are you'll want to keep most of the goodies. You'll have to buy plat though to keep your stuff. You could watch your P's and Q's and be very thrifty. Just keep a few weapons and Warframes, selling off every one you get in order to get another. But if you don't keep ranking up new Warframes and weapons you'll never rank up. You'll be MR3,4,5 or wherever you decided to keep what you got, forever. So, you're going to have to buy plat. More slots.

So, no. It's not "Pay to Win." The game has no ending. But it is mostly "Pay to Play." I've heard too many people say you can play the game without spending a dime. While that's true, they certainly have. So........ Yes you can play the game without spending a penny. But prepare to climb very, very, very slow and don't expect any of the cool colors and stuff you see on every other Warframe. And Warframes? You'll only be able to keep a couple so be prepared to sell them.

Or

You can ride along with the veterans and get what you need with no problems. Level up like crazy really fast. Get good prime weapons and Warframes. But, then, what's the purpose of Nightwave? It's too hard for newbies and too easy for veterans. It's a very nice addition, not a replacement.

Supposedly Nightwave replaced Alerts. Alerts served a purpose and was a big help for a new player. Veteran players already have more than enough of what was offered in the Alerts so of course it wasn't a big deal for them to lose it. And they bang their head against the wall and cry out "It's easy!" Uh, nope. It's not. Unless we ride along with you vets.

So, Nightwave. It's pretty cool. I can't do much but hey, I'll hitch a ride if I can then I'll just bust it out!... But a replacement for Alerts???? It's not.

i absolutely love Warframe. And Nightwave is cool but it brings up that question. Veteran players call new players cry babies. They defend the decision to remove Alerts and bring in Nightwave all while cussing out the new players, blasting them and calling them names.

How is that helping? New players just want help. Get a grip veteran. Try to understand where newbies are coming from and reach out to them. Help them understand the game and how to play it. Don't just dismiss them and project your feelings on them. Be nice. Be respectful. Be helpful. Try to be diplomatic, not condemning.

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But it looks like the players that are kinda mean to the newbies have everything, did everything and know everything. Not fair, not fair at all. The game is seriously overwhelming to a new player. Do they just want to keep it for themselves? I'm still MR3. The grind is painful. Just a little bit too slow to level up and I'm putting a lot of time and effort into the game.

If I'm going to ride along with an experienced player or players that can easily knock out the tasks in Nightwave, then what's the purpose of Nightwave? It would be easy, according to them. I'm just doing my best and having to be revived all the time. But hey, at least I got the prize. But, I haven't tried that yet.

The novice player can do the easy ones in Nightwave but that's usually just 4 or 5 and maybe a weekly. Then with the daily, that really isn't daily (I know for a fact as I have been playing every day) there's only a refreshing 1 or 2 that a new player can do. 

Know this - if you start off with Excalibur, his first, second and melee weapon, it's going to be a slow climb. That is unless you buy plat. You can buy your way through the game with plat. At first almost every mod you get is flawed..... For a while. No Auras. You get 50 plat but that's a bad number. 52 would be right. 12 for weapon slots the other 40 for whatever floats your boat. But 50 means I have to buy more.

So, I've heard you can sell mods and prime parts. Anyone up for some flawed mods or odd and end prime parts? You don't get very many relics for quite a while and most are lith. The first group. Yes, there are some that you can use to get good prime parts but you have to make them more valuable and you can't get very many void traces to use for that. 

So you've played through a few planets and got Rhino and Mag. You don't have the resources to build them. A grind, sometimes frustrating but mostly fun. Then what. You've got slots for extra weapons and Warframe but what's next. Sweet, a new sniper rifle or shotgun. Where are you going to put them? And that shinny new frame? What to do? Oh, that's right, but plat. Oh yeah, sell the weapons and make room. Start all over again with bad mods. You don't get good ones till later in the game. Don't say farm for good prime parts and good mods. Don't you dare! You can't. You're restricted. 

So, let's say you push forward and try to move further. Prepare to die, a lot. You're not going anywhere with a simple weapon and bad mods. Use a catalyst and a reactor, that's what that 50 plat is for. Hmm, I can put more broken mods on but oops, no they're duplicates. Darn. Use some Endo and rank them up! Still, they're broken. Endo, Endo, where can I get that? Well, it falls from some enemies and you can dissolve extra mods for Endo. Oh, there's the statues. They're worth a bunch of Endo. If only you find some. You're lucky if you do. The low levels? I found one and that was great but I used up the Endo on bad mods.

If you're wanting to keep any of the other Warframes or weapons, you're going to have to buy plat. Some weapons require you to have a couple of different weapons in order to build them. To do that, you'll need to buy plat. These weapons become available to you later, after you've got that cool hex or something you'll need to keep, so, more slots means you're going to have to buy plat.

You'll want to save Rhino, Loki, and many of the other Warframes in order to play certain nodes. Yes, new slots so buy plat.

You're not going to be able to sell mods and good prime sets for quite a while. So you're going to have to buy plat for your new shinny Warframes and weapons.

Unless....... You ride along with experienced players. Then you'll get good stuff. Chances are you'll want to keep most of the goodies. You'll have to buy plat though. You could watch your P's and Q's and be very thrifty. Just keep a few weapons and Warframes, selling off every one you get in order to get another. But if you don't keep ranking up new Warframes and weapons you'll never rank up. You'll be MR3,4,5 or wherever you decided to keep what you got, forever. So, you're going to have to buy plat.

So, no. It's not "Pay to Win." The game has no ending. But it is mostly "Pay to Play." I've heard too many people say you can play the game without spending a dime. While that's true, they certainly have. So........ Yes you can play the game without spending a penny. But prepare to climb very, very, very slow and don't expect any of the cool colors and stuff you see on every other Warframe.

Or

You can ride along with the veterans and get what you need with no problems. Level up like crazy really fast. Get good prime weapons and Warframe. But, then, what's the purpose of Nightwave? It's too hard for newbies and too easy for veterans. 

Nightwave replaced Alerts. Alerts served a purpose and was a big help for a new player. Veteran players already have more than enough of what was offered in the Alerts so of course it wasn't a big deal for them to lose it. And they bang their head against the wall and cry out "It's easy!" Uh, nope. It's not. Unless we ride along with you vets.

So, Nightwave. It's pretty cool. I can't do much but hey, I'll hitch a ride if I can then I'll just bust it out!... But a replacement for Alerts???? It's not.

I'm MR3

[Feels like nightwave did a lot of damage to the community]

Players are supposed to help others but I'm seeing a lot of discord. Doesn't look like player friendly. I'm only a MR3. I love the game but I don't need haters.

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21 hours ago, HexOmega111x said:

I still don't see the problem. You like it, you say yes. You don't like it, you say no. You like it but not exactly how it is, you say yes but. If you don't care, you say I don't care or go for the cookies because you don't have an opinion.

I'm in the 25% who likes it. But what realy matter is the "yes but" answer. Nightwave is not a catastrophic feature like some players like to describe it. But almost 60% have a problem with nightwave which means that DE must do something about it.

All I know is that the game is pretty hard. Lol. I'm MR3 and oh my gosh! I love Warframe and Nightwave is cool but there's no way I can make it in the game on my own. Lol. I played with other people but it wasn't a good thing. They got mad because I am a bad player. So my experience with others wasn't a good one. I'm trying on my own but I'm not going to make it. Sad. It's a good game.

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19 hours ago, HexOmega111x said:

I still don't see the problem. You like it, you say yes. You don't like it, you say no. You like it but not exactly how it is, you say yes but. If you don't care, you say I don't care or go for the cookies because you don't have an opinion.

I'm in the 25% who likes it. But what realy matter is the "yes but" answer. Nightwave is not a catastrophic feature like some players like to describe it. But almost 60% have a problem with nightwave which means that DE must do something about it.

Not sure what has happened. I saw it before and it was easier for some. This Nightwave is confusing. I'm MR3. What the heck! Some of the challenges are just over the top. I really love Warframe but it's harder than I thought. I played with other people who just got mad at me.