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  1. Wow, you wrote all of that to extrapolate your extremely simple counterargument? Guess I struck a graphomania chord there. ๐Ÿ˜„ I'll just answer to the point: If you think that punishing people that knowingly engaged in an unethical and unfair trade practices for the sole purpose of "profiteering" would somehow generate worse optics than "DE silently sides with price gougers", you're wrong. ๐Ÿ˜‰ If you think that somehow punishing them would generate more of a catastrophe than not punishing them and making players lose faith in the system, you're also wrong. ๐Ÿ˜‰ You're right about one thing though. It was (and still is) DE's responsibility to make this impossible in the first place. It doesn't excuse the people who engaged in "profiteering" though. They should be punished regardless of whether a formal rule for that existed if DE wants to retain customer trust in its market. IF. I don't know where you got this idea. I said that Faceless and his ilk should be punished for profiteering and attacking a maker of a useful tool for the community (regardless of what they say their motivation was, it was not their call to make, it was the community's). All the chats, impersonations, "insect" comments and non-denial damage control are insignificant additions to the fact THAT THOSE PLAYERS DECIDED TO IMPROVE THEIR OWN SITUATION AT EXPENSE OF OTHER PLAYERS. It's so simple I really don't think this needs to be explained further. All of that text comes down to you pretending to not understand that living in the same building as the crime suspect and engaging in same criminal activity as the crime suspect are not the same thing. Neighbours in your story did not abuse the suspect's wife. Members of "Riven Traders" did buy rivens to resell them at a much higher price. ๐Ÿ˜‰ Anyway, watch the optics that not touching the "Riven Traders" at all will eventually generate for DE. I'm pretty sure I know how that will go down in history, and I don't like it, but I can't say I didn't expect it.
  2. You get into a lot of irrelevant and obvious detail, but you keep missing the point. There's always a letter of the law, and the spirit of the law, everything else is semantics. Faceless, his entire clan, and anyone outside of their clan who engaged in "profiteering" must be punished if DE wants players to retain trust in the system. I don't know if DE wants it or not, I'm just saying that if they want it, that's what they should have done. I'm working on an assumption that DE doesn't want to harm its own game. Comments don't matter, price of plat doesn't matter. Someone buying something with sole intent of reselling it at a much higher price is and has always been viewed by community negatively, because their actions are tantamount to stealing the price difference they put onto the item they're reselling. It's not an honest effort, and it goes against the spirit of free market which is to let people FAIRLY trade directly without interference, not to let resellers hoard profit. Yes, a perception of what is and isn't fair differs person to person, but there's a statistical average, and on that statistical average people who make profit by reselling are universally viewed as parasites (and let's not forget how those guys also thought they can start deciding instead of the community what tools they can and can't use). You keep bashing Semlar for wanting to sell his useful tool for $5 but don't you see a discrepancy between how that's against the rules "because he's making profit off it", but people accumulating hundreds and possibly thousands of dollars in plat by reselling rivens they didn't farm/unveil/reroll is somehow not against the rules? ๐Ÿ™‚ Markets are regulated in real life, because if such practices are allowed, people will lose trust in the market and its regulator. And if you don't see why that's gonna have catastrophic consequences, just wait and see. ๐Ÿ˜‰ This isn't my opinion, this is just how things work. Mob justice is just a symptom, the disease is that people already don't trust DE to do right by them. Mob justice doesn't happen when people trust government/regulator/law enforcement to do its job.
  3. Priceless. You keep focusing on semantics, while missing the actual point. The difference between a "price gouger" and a "profiteer" only exists in the head of someone who wouldn't mind engaging in such a thing themselves. To the honest average Joe you are still an unethical middleman who would try to take away as much coin as you can from a person trying to buy something they desire. Likewise, peoples' problem with you is not with your instance of getting Semlar banned, it's with you having the audacity to decide whether or not a tool/service should be available to the community. Your justification for it can be anything you want (fyi, I'm not buying your story that you really thought it would hurt the community, and I basically consider every single word you say to be a carefully manufactured lie, but that's beside the point), you were in no way elected or empowered by the community to make such a decision, and you didn't even try to get community's input on it, you just decided that you have the right to stop it because you thought your judgement here is good enough and the whole community would have to accept it. See, this problem isn't by any means intrinsic to Warframe, it exists in every laissez faire free market, from an average bazaar to the crypto industry: random people gain wealth, and then start converting that wealth into power, gaining unelected influence over the community. In your case you did not convert wealth to power directly, but a) DE indirectly profits from your machinations, however marginally, the more plat people are having to pay for rivens, the more plat they'll be buying; and b) you rising to a position to manipulate the market made you think you can now make decisions instead of the entire community. You are not being scapegoated, you are facing a backlash for your actions. You don't have to agree with this, because your agreement is irrelevant. Human race has always viewed market manipulators as a bad thing, and has always fought back against them. Now, the most ironic thing here is you don't really understanding the implications of what you're doing. DE has practically refused to classify your actions as hostile to the community (whether it's because they indirectly benefit from it or for any other reason, I don't know), and also shunned the people trying to dispense "mob justice" onto you (and I could also get into discussion about semantics here, on how if you "profiteering" from riven trade isn't price gouging because you're not jacking up prices of vital resources, then too, the harassment you're experiencing is neither "mob justice" nor "witch hunt", because there are no actual ropes, gallows or pyres involved, but that's also beside the point). Do you see the construct here? DE creates a system where you can do your thing, you do your thing, and then also start exercising power over community you don't deserve, community gets mad and you get backlash. Of all of these things DE addresses only the backlash part. They don't mention them being responsible for letting this happen, nor them not noticing what was happening, nor you doing it for your own gain, and only notices community backlash. I'm not judging DE here, I'm just laying this down: DE made it very clear that they would like to let you get away with what you were doing in spite of community's dismay. And barring overwhelming pressure from the community (which has already failed to materialize), DE will let you get away with zero repercussions, basically encouraging you to keep "profiteering". And you know what? That's what was going to happen. Hell, that's still what's going to happen. Community has an attention span of a goldfish, so they'll forget that they wanted you punished, and DE won't remind them. So the smart thing for you to do would be to go away, not post, lay low, rub your palms and keep "profiteering". But no, your ego won't permit it. You have to relentlessly "damage control", replying to every post about you, because you're so sure that you're actually entitled to "profiteering" and deciding instead of the community what tools the community gets to use. Do you see what you're doing? Because you're doing exactly what every "profiteer" has done to the system they were "profiteering" from. You continuing to brazenly highlight yourself only underscores that the regulator of this financial system (DE in this case) is not willing to punish you. And you know what that does? It decreases the community's trust in the regulator, and in the system as a whole. You're reinforcing a lasting impression on the community that trade here is rigged to enable "profiteers", and that will create a sense of unease in regular buyers. They will feel distrustful towards the people they're buying from, and towards DE. They won't be mad enough to actually revolt, but they will remember this every time they're unhappy with DE. Sure, here you can just say that you don't have to care for the long term health of this market, and that you're technically not breaking any rules by profiteering or by being responsible for erosion of trust in the system because of your unethical practices, and you'd be right. You're not the ones that should care. DE is. And it's baffling to me that they apparently either don't care for these implications, or just don't believe in them. So.... ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ Their product, their community, their policies. If they think "profiteers" have a place in it, then all we honest members can do is choose whether or not we want to have a place in such a system.
  4. I like how there's an endless stream of arguments in defense of the price gougers, and they themselves talking here like they've done nothing wrong. It's not like price gouging is a punishable offense in all regulated financial systems on the planet or anything. ๐Ÿ˜‰ Regardless, with DE letting the price gougers get away with no repercussions the price gouging will continue, and in time maybe the community will wisen up and largely stop buying rivens, knowing that they're overpaying to people that consider them "insects". I sure am not gonna be buying any rivens in the observable future, unless this practice is prevented completely. Oh and DE, just so you know, I don't lift together with no price gougers. They hurt the community for personal gain, and that's just not something I can get behind.
  5. I honestly don't think DE will ever implement an auction house. It would ruin price gougers, and price gougers increase demand for plat, which benefits DE. Not saying DE actually supports price gougers, just saying that implementing AH would hurt plat sales, which probably means we won't be seeing an AH anytime soon. ๐Ÿ˜ž
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