Azawarau
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But Chaos is cheaper, and i thought the problem was that Irradiating Disarm was spammable, as in cheap. It's easy enough to make Chaos last only 12 seconds as well if that's the cast rate you're going for. Fleeting can do that and make Chaos even cheaper than ID in the process.
Chaos is a bit cheaper but that doesnt matter if both can be sustained infinitely anyways
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Now this is way off topic
If rewards are an issue then that can be changed
You cant honestly defend him when hes saying guns out DPS powers
On paper and in practice thats a ridiculous statement
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The Irradiation only lasts 12 secs max according to the wiki.
Considering you can cast for only 25 energy thats not really a downside
Getting one energy orb every 12ish seconds is fairly easy
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My point was that Nova was just as disadvantaged against the nullifiers as any other frame.
But no, she's by far not the least disadvantaged against them, The majority of frames have defensive abilities (which nova doesn't have) that are less disadvantaged simply because they can protect themselves from being shot by (temporarily) invulnerable enemies long enough to kill their shields or get close enough for melee while Nova is left open and vulnerable (Iron Skin, Snow Globe, Turbulence, Eclipse, Shatter Shield, Rift Walk, Blessing and so on and so forth).
Nova has a much lower survivability than most frames, and she's supposed to be that way since her abilities trade that off for offense, that doesn't make her OP in my eyes.
And abilities aside, Nova also has the second lowest shield capacity (only Valkyr has less, but Valkyr has 600 armor) , and pretty insignificant armor. She shares those stats with five other frames, all of which have ways of protecting themselves from fire, Nova doesn't.
She has more of an advantage than most frames against them because of her large range
Even if nullifiers are near they cant possibly stop the greater portion of Novas debuff
Picking out nullifiers from a crows of slow moving enemies isnt difficult
Also Nova primes shields are 25 points higher at base than novas. Dont forget this
Give her a break will ya,she basically have no defensive skill(dont even try argue me about antimater absorb..Bcuz u need the range and range cost nova turned ,speed nov in a T4 surv?) She's an offensive ,so pls,staph this madness
M prime is her defense skill
Null star should be as well but its sub par as is
Honestly I think Nova is maybe a little overpowered still, however the change is the syndicates & void trader!
I play Nova with max primed continuity & max primed flow add in the Synoid Gammacor throwing out energy for kills, and the new larger restore packs and this is what I believe is causing the appearance of her being very over powered, because you can spam her ultimate when maxed.
The problem is that energy is now to easily available in game, especially with the high damage frames . If you nerf nova next it will be Saryn or Messa or pretty much any high damage cc warframe.
Possible solutions, stop the syndicate weapons giving reward for warframe kills, only your pistol kills should count. Have a limit to the number of (energy)Restores you can carry (IE less than 200, yeah I know it is a limit :). Limit the number of primed mods you can use.
Not that I like any of those suggestions, however nerfing warframes is not the answer.
I play a max range max power Nova with a slightly lower than base explosion radius and there is no issue collecting energy for me
With the amount of enemies hit by 1 M prime i can cover my needs and more
In fact its so efficient that i only use one M prime per wave in T 4 defense and capture nearly every enemy with it
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Cannot agree with you here. One nullifier only affects a small area, but after a certain level these bastards start spawning so much that they collectively cover almost all the other mobs as well as themselves, making all powers and low fire rate weapons useless. And since nova has no defensive abilities to help against the waves of enemies firing at her out of the wall of nullifier orbs, she's pretty much screwed.
As someone pointed out, Nullifiers affect every frame that way
Nova is one of the least affected because she affects such a high amount of enemies
Nullifiers dont spawn enough to simply negate 80 meters of enemies that cant move or even come close to it
If nothing else you have to accept that any disadvantage nova has here is shared by every frame in the game
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After reading this entire thread i must come to the conclusion that Nova does not need a nerf at all. I dont even care for Nova, i leveled her and have her still mostly as a collection piece, and i think that one thing you guys are ignoring is there is a large amount of players who simply do not care and what i mean by this is that, there are tons of players that wont play Nova because they dont like to, and simply not having a Nova in your party is a pretty reasonable solution. Type like three more words into your recruitment chat message, realy not that hard. I wasn't even aware there was a "problem" with nova and i know a lot of players are unaware of any problems either, meaning this is not some sort of glaring issue.
And furthermore i have no idea what sort of godly Nova players you play with but if they can do that well with a frame to the point where the only end game we have is "trivialized" im of the opinion they deserve it, seriously i have played with plenty of Nova's and none of them have "trivialized" a anything. I mean its her Ultimate ability it should be pretty ultimate.
Youre going under the assumption that her ultimate wont be ultimate after changing
Youre also ignoring her ultimate compared to the ultimates of others by comparison which is where the issue comes from
Also this post is under the assumption that people dont want it to be an ultimate
None of that is the case and youre missing the point by far
Comparatively speaking Nova does too much for too little
Its not about anything except bringing her in line ith other ultimates that certainly are ultimates
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i don't see how your disadvantaged, there are a lot of frames who's ability's i don't like, but i don't play them so why would i try to change a frame someone else loves? like limbo's cataclysm, i hate not being able to pick up items but i'm not gonna tell anyone who plays him to change the way they play or just to not play him at all, that's mean and rude.
and you can play her without building strength and still get a boost in damage and some crowd control. i just got her and i really like her just the way she is, is it fair to me or others to change any frame because some don't like it?
Ive explained that already
Novas power does too much on too wide a range
Its not about hurting what someone else loves and you shouldnt make it personal like that
Noone should have to hurt themselves either
Your argument us dont hurt me, hurt yourself instead. Again that isnt fair or reaonable
We should be able to use any frame to its fullest and not have to weaken ourselves to make the game challenge us
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To be overpowered means to be better then other possible selection.
That being said, nova isn't necessary in any given mission. For survival, I'd say loki and vauban are overpowered. For defence, I'd say limbo and mesa. For extermination, I'd say Saryn.
infested defence, limbo and vauban.
Nova"Can Be used" but I don't think just because she's got some strong abilities makes her overpowered.
No necesarily
A great example of that is old trinity again
She couldnt die but thats all she had going for her
In terms of killing power,defending an objective, and controlling the field other frames were better
Trinity was still overpowered because she simply could not die in any practical situation or some extremely impractical ones
Sitting an hour into T 1 survival using nothing but EV while my officer on Valkyr spammed melee was more than enough to solidify this for me
The same can be said of Nova
When we ran T 4 defense with 2 absolute strangers and no frost we managed to get to wave 40 when the others decided to leave us because it was too slow and boring
Another time we made it to lvl 70 on a corpus defense and just couldnt stand it anymore so we both left
Now for your examples
For survival Nova offers the widest range of direct damage mitigation for the team (Both nyx and loki are indirect) while damage buffing and increasing survivability on a range that will cover more than loki and nyx
For defense she mitigates the damage intake of the pod and frost shields by 75% again increasing survivability. She also slows enemies so much that their chance of getting within accurate firing range of the pod is severely reduced
Exterminates depend on your novas build but generally speaking its the easiest mode so its a bit hard to call saryn the best when every frame is effective at it. generally speaking saryn will clear it fastest though
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honestly i think if you don't play her then you really should leaver her alone, i would be okay with power strength not having such a great effect on the enemy's like a cap of maybe 50% or something, but it certainly shouldn't be removed.
i mean, if you don't want to play her, i feel like you have the right to ask for changes on her because other people play her and you don't like how her ability's affect the enemy.
Thats not fair at all
Thats like saying if you dont play her you cant complain about being disadvantaged
Shes one of my favorite frames because i have a thing for explosions and chain explosions >Max C 4 engineer on PS2. Will crash a galaxy on your tank/sunderer and C 4 it or die trying< and i dont like playing her because she makes it too easy
My officer begs me not to play her because she makes the game too slow and easy
....don't play nova
That is not an argument that is fair or reasonable
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Bumped up to 18 now and still looking for more
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Wow, even though there are people who have already stated solid argument as to how Nova is way overpowered and not squishy, I still see some who fails to understand.
1. Even looking at the base stats, Nova isn't squishy at all. Too many people are so blind or cannot think critically, why would you want to slap in a Vitality or Redirection mod on Nova when she can utilize Quick Thinking due to her very huge energy pool? Especially since we now have Nova Prime with much more improved energy pool, she can reach 744 energy with a maxed P. Flow and that's 1786 HP where her 65 armor is also applied.
"But I'd rather use her energy to cast Mprime than use it as HP", this argument is the dumbest thing ever. Putting in a maxed Vitality mod on Nova would give her 740 Health, 2 ticks of a Large Team Health Restore and she's already almost full HP means you're just wasting the last 2 ticks. While using Large Team Energy Restore would give 400 energy equivalent to 960 HP and Nova can take all those energy with P. Flow. Another thing is VS Nullifiers, at least QT will save your life from a high leveled Nullifier if you got hit, while Vitality wouldn't even save you when you reach like 30+mins on T4S.
2. Seriously? We need to explain how Nova actually mitigates incoming damage? So what does the -75% speed then? Just some CC that won't ever reduce the "DPS" of enemies? I'm really surprised how dull some people are when it comes to critical thinking. Heck, it doesn't even need critical thinking.
3. Nova is a WHOLE package. Not only she has fast movement, she also has that Wormhole.
AMD is useless most of the time? Oh please, have you ever tried that on T4D where the enemy just stacks together around the pod waiting to be demolished by AMD? How is that hard to use or have minimal usage? Even past 60 waves, AMD would still clear mobs easily and that's SOMETHING. T4D is one of the endless void missions so don't tell me people rarely do T4D.
Mprime, I don't even know why there's too much happening in this 1 ability. It has 75% slow, this slow isn't simple as it looks, this slow IS the best kind of CC because enemies are so still that you can easily headshot them w/o any effort giving you more damage multiplier. It has high damage that chains on nearby targets WITHOUT having a fall-off, not to mention that this damage is multiplied by 2. If the enemy survives, no worries, the enemy would still take x2 from any incoming damage.
Not overpowered? If Nova is a decent frame, then what tier are the other frames who obviously CANT match her abilities? Poop?
I am 155% <HA< on your side but to be fair
AMD does deal incredible damage despite its relative difficulty of use
I feel like it has a justified amount of damage for what it does
Though if it became easier to use for less damage thatd be nice as well
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Wait
Most people dont hate accelerant
Making it use other elements opens abuse for powers
You can have less than 50% fire damage on your weapon and still outbuff your gun VS others by far
Fir blast i feel is in a good spot as far as CC goes
WoF needs to be a real toggle to fix embers biggest issue
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What about the rest of the 82 meters nova already debuffed?
Nullifiers only afect a small area
They dont make enough of a difference to novas ult
Keep in mind were talking 82 meters here
Nullifiers are just a bump
And youre ignoring infested and grineer entirely with this as well
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As a casual player who values group dynamics, I admit that I've had those "whoa" moments, while progressing towards end-game, when a Nova already comes in and creates a "paradigm shift" in gameplay.
On one hand, I'm ok with it. Every game needs a "power MVP" type. However, I don't know where the line is. If she acts like a quarterback in football, and everyone else feels that gameplay is enhanced within the confines of their role in the 4-man team, that's great. If she does the QB's job, the receiver's job, and doesn't need an offensive line to protect her, then that is a different story.
Which is it?
Thats a good way to view it but there are issues there
Theres nothign wrong with her being the MVP
But she literally carries entire games with a single power in a way that no other frame can
The closest to her are loki and nyx
Nyx gets an extremely high damage mitigation of her own with enemies focusing on eachother. Loki reduces enemies to old infested level.
Now the issue Isnt so much what loki and nyx can do as much as what nova does next to them
She reduces enemy movement and DPS by 75% on a larger range than both of these frames. She also has damage comparable to saryn but functioning in a way similar to volts ultimate but with far more power. 5 enemies in a group with max power Strength means youre out damaging any ult without TF. It gives a debuff thats comparable to rhinos roar but not quite as high and with fewer conditions on the debuff (Rhino has to be near allies where Nova can simply cast and likely catch anything allies would see).
Its not so much shes the quarterback as much as shes carrying the team by playing every role at once
Again, there is nothing wrong with an MVP frame or an easy mode frame but it has to have its place
Nova is in space (Yes im going to make that pun again and youre going to take it)
PS: Also have to look at combinations of powers
Nova+ loki or nyx means enemies cant do a thing
The diminishing over time idea was probably the best one in this thread
It lets nova keep her power but not quite trivialize everything
Theres also a possible buff for Null star thats a great power but too slow as is to really be functional and that warp gate thing that costs more than its really worth in energy
Really??? You admited on his topic "Bring back IS Facet.... " feeding him for almost 10 pages with nonsensical arguments just to keep him going? That topic ended up having some good ideas on the end, not helped by you or OP but the back and forth, never going anywhere discussion made me un follow it, that made almost 85% of the mammoth 45+ pages it has.
You post "Irrelevant" way too much. Arguing for the sake of arguing without any meaningful idea from your part, except general position and then acting like a wooden lawyer against anyone who has different position.
On topic and discuss this idea:
Mprime stays the same, but doesn't work on enemies with shields?? Including units that have shields thanks to drones.
Speaking of irrelevant, most of this post
I thought i replied to that earlier
The issue with that is it creates a mag situation where Nova loses viability entirely for one faction in favor of trivializing another
Itll be mag for corrupted and corpus and Nova for Grineer and Infested
Taking away her viability for an entire faction is worse than leaving her as she is now i think
If you want a good argument you have to show how and why nova isnt overpowered
What about the rest of the 82 meters nova already debuffed?
Its not difficult to pick these off when most everything else cant move
Please, remain on topic (I see a few posts getting a little personal). This discussion has some interesting points, and I don't want to lock it due to a few derails.
Its good to see a sing that someone is listening for once
Nullifiers are poor argument. Yeah, they can ruin Nova's day. But they can ruin every other frames day just as much if not more.
Theres also that
Shoutout to Valkyr,Nekros, and Ember mains who werent even part of the problem to start
You can tell nova isn't OP simply because she isn't in every single squad online. Before her nerf, she used to be.
If thats the case then infinite god mode trinity wasnt OP at all
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Yeah. It's another one of these threads.
Onto the point: I was doing some syndicate missions solo, and my personal favorite frame to use when soloing is Rhino. Stomp if I get swamped, Iron skin so I can be a bullet sponge, Roar if needed, And I don't personally have a use for charge.
But something is off with Iron skin. I find that it drains away really quick. I went from 100 to 0 in the span of 15 seconds. And I was only fighting 3 grineer lancers. After the mission was over, I went and checked my mod set up. Blind rage was equipped and so was intensify. So that wasn't the issue. What happened to it? Did it get nerfed?
To me, Rhino has kinda lost the tanking aspect, seeing as though the thing that allows me to be the tank drains extremely quickly.
Anyone mind shedding some light on the situation? Thanks in advance.
15 seconds is quite a long time considering you paid 37-110 energy for that
What level were they?
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Ah I hear someone misspelled my name? Oh look who it is. *insert maniacal laugh here*
Molecular Prime? Well well, it would be important to note that Nova is a Glass Cannon. The girl is supposed to be able to dish out damage in droves. She isn't supposed to be able to take it though. Does this definition fit her as she is now? Yep. AMD and MP are her main damage dealing abilities, and even then, both don't even actually do that much damage, MP doesn't even do any damage at all.
MP acts as her utility, actually, it primes the enemies, sets them up for the kill, it doesn't actually hurt them. But, it gives players the opportunity and breathing room to kill enemies. Without it, or AMD, or even her Wormhole ability, she isn't even a Glass Cannon anymore, just Glass. MP's current iteration was a very good rebalance, IMO, as it is dependent on range and duration and power strength to be effective. Lower range, the explosions don't go as far, lower duration, and your MP doesn't go that far, lower power strength, and you've got enemies minutely slowed, or even running and shooting faster at you.
It's actually a pretty balanced ult, I must say.
That was actually purposely mispelled. I didnt make it obvious enough apparently....
Still you want to talk trash about it though which is interesting. Ill keep note of this
Youre ignoring that MP has a 75% damage mitigation. Nova prime is on par with trinity for DR except for the whole team. With a damage buff, and speed recution, and extra damage, in 82 meters
Its too much breathing room. Dont pretend it doesnt deal massive damage with your second paragraph there. It can still clear groups very easily with AoE damage and reduce speed
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Thats funny, because I thought, "just another buff/nerf" was boring. SoTD don't really behave like zombies. They are more like resurrected enemies turned allies, weapon, powers, and all. These zombies would have behaviors more like infested mobs under the influence of Chaos, and couldn't be re-Desastrated or have drops.
If its a visual thing then his 4 can be made to be more horrifying as well
The shadows have never really been scary enough IMO
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Maybe it is, but why is this a show stopper? Its like the flip side of SoTD. Those are spirit like ally units, these zombies are aggro against everyone, including themselves. Like and undead Chaos.
It isnt really a bad thing but some variety might help him a bit more than more zombies
Perhaps as a buff to himself and his army
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40+ minutes in is generally where most people say it gets rough. that's the 2nd C rotation
I wasnt to know what OP is thinking
In this case anything over rotation B is beyond balancing so OP is out of luck there
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Your tendency to get locked into battles to the death with other posters (that you usually actually agree with,) for starters.
If i agreed with them then there wouldnt be an issue in the first place
Alphahorsemen or whatever his name is and Ronyn are perfect examples of that
Whether we agree ona broad idea or not doesnt matter if the details are too far apart
In alphas case hes entirely against nerfs of any kind which is unreasonable for obvious reasons. His reasoning for everything is ludicrous, subjective, biased, or a mix of all 3
Ronyn argues semantics far too much. I had to ignore that he likes to define everything a certain way just to find anything with him.
For example the definition of passive tank as a tank that doesnt attract aggro or mitigate damage for a team directly. we argue that in PMs for a good page.
Then there are people who mostly stay on the outside and judge you with their hands folded or are too cynical to really care
I dont care for either opinion. If theyve given up or arent interested in trying then they dont really have a say in anything
If you treat details like that like therye unimportant then youre just ignoring issues that will pop up in the future
Its alot of what i as trying to get to with Ronyn who very often said it was better that we stopped while is aid we either finish this now or it finds itself starting over in another thread. And now weve finished it
So unless anyone plans to do the same with me theyre better off wasting time elsewhere
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Itd be a bit too similar to SOTD that way i think
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Define high level because through rotation A and B ive yet to so much as hear of issues with this
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Without credible evidence aside from simple math?
Enemy has 10k HP
You hit 40k on one
I hit 8k on every 5
You kill one with your 40k and i kill 5 with mine
This is ignoring stun and side effects
Theres nothing else that needs to be said here
Also you never said how guns are a major factor in survivability in end game
Im not saying that guns are bad but by comparison of DPS theyre bad on paper and even worse in practice compared to powers
That combined with enemies who have the potential to kill quickly and take large amounts of damge has created a game where power spam is norm. Its not unusual at all to hide and spam 4
Then theres the argument of force
Well i certainly like being forced to sit while Excali,Rhino,Mesa,Ash,Saryn,Mirage kill everything
I have a blast when Nova makes enemies move at a crawling pace as well
Thats 7 frames im forced to avoid playing as or with otherwise im forced to do near nothing
And all i get from you is trash talk and FUD in return
And also the name Bill comes from Bill O'Reilly
If you know who that is then youll understand why i use his name
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Can you provide video evidence of this?