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28 minutes ago, Heckzu said:
SevenLetterKWord and WitchyDragon both responded in this thread. Pythadragon hasn't been active on the forums since Saturday. Phasedragon only posts on the forums once every few days. The rest rarely visit the forums. Not everyone uses the forums, you know.
Actually yeah, i somehow missed that, my mistake, but.. their only "argument" was that all syndicate syandanas require some sort of upkeep but issue here is that those syandanas have quite visible visual without any actions.
28 minutes ago, Heckzu said:Actively playing and completing challenges, regardless of how trivial they are, requires some degree of effort, and if someone can complete 4 challenges in 2~4 matches, who are you to say they're not "PVP players that you want to have"?
I have completed one mode specific "challenges" in 1 match without even checking what i have to do. That's how big "effort" you need :-) .
28 minutes ago, Heckzu said:What a great example of ad hominem, a fallacious argument tool used by those who cannot properly defend their argument. Why does K:D matter? Are you resorting you bragging about your epeen now? Because I have significantly more kills in the Conclave than you do, which is more representative of how much experience I have, especially since I'm often playing with players in a much higher skill bracket than I, resulting in my 1:1 K:D.
Then how come those players you mentioned keep their kda at minimum above 2+ ? They are playing vs same or maybe even better players. I'm not trying to show my epeen or anything, i would end up making topic like this even if i was tremendously terrible at conclave. In fact i barely play Warframe at the moment...
I can give pretty decent reasoning behind my thoughts, while your "effort" arguments.. seem pretty absurd.
And your point about kda... made your own words more absurd... ^
28 minutes ago, Heckzu said:So, you're saying that an action is justifiable if the consequences will eventually correct themselves, no matter how dire the consequences actually are?
It's better to have consequence that eventually disappear than have never ending tumor on your neck.
28 minutes ago, Heckzu said:You attacked me for saying that I only play to complete my challenges, claiming people such as myself to be "0 effort player, [who] come do something half-hearthly and leave". Well, I have everything, but I'm still her
I as well mentioned that i understand you do that cause of not having too much free time..
28 minutes ago, Heckzu said:I offered an alternative option that would make more sense: the ability to purchase flames for a temporary period for a large amount of standing. Upkeep would still be required, but not as much, and it wouldn't be as obnoxious as trying to complete challenges.
And i didn't say a word against it. I'm not against some sort of alternative, there are lots of options, use current standing while you have that syandana equipped 1k or w/e a day, be able to buy tails that you can refill with standing, offer anything, sadly i was at false hope that higher standing people actually would say something but as you can see from my forum post count i'm not the most active here and don't exactly know how often that happens :- ).
Oh hey, look stats actually show some kind of meaning ? ;)
And taking opinion from players that are enjoying current pvp therefore they have those tails pretty much constantly active is quite arguable, some may want to feel more "special" and don't want more people to have it :- ), also it seems they are your friends which could make not true opinion in any kind of topic. So called "friends" may want to defend each other. Of course this is not a 100%, i have no clue so that's just an assumption, but better to have any kind of possibilities in your mind.
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2 hours ago, Heckzu said:
There's no problem with players who just do two~four challenges per day because they're actually putting some effort into playing the game. What we don't want in the Conclave are afk farmers like those that were prevalent during Snowdown Showdown and Quick Steel. If the Celestia's flames were made permanent (which your idea would effectively accomplish), then the Conclave would see hoards of players who just enter and AFK to gain participation standing until they obtain the Celestia because they "feel forced to play" the Conclave, like what happened during Snowdown Showdown and Quick Steel. I don't know about you, but personally, joining a game where nobody is trying to play is less than enjoyable.
2-4 games is effort? :-)
Do you even realize what are you saying ?
Your kda is even worse than other one trying to prove me i don't know what. 1.0 :---)
If people really would want this syandana so bad, what you are saying would already happen, currently that happens only once in a while, and even if what you say would happen, where is the issue, they would eventually disappear, and instead of having 2-4 afk there would be none, perfection.
What kind of proof are you trying to show me ? I can afk and get those sigils if i want to...
And yeah, players which you just named they seem to be quite good, but do i see them typing something here ? No.
2 hours ago, Heckzu said:The choice between having a permanently lit Celestia or spending standing on worthless relics? Does that even sound like a choice? Because it's so favored towards the first choice that there's no reason to pick the latter.
But that still is a choice, right now there is only 1 choice, do mere "challenges" .
2 hours ago, -----LegioN----- said:Imo, a match like that is boring, I could go to endless rathuum and have more fun, to the point where I'd prefer leaving than wrecking a random newbie and what seems to be his farming alt account.
Well apparently i was playing vs someone with 4 hands as they both were jumping and shooting at me :- ) As you see they both got a kill on me. And nice newbie here, MR23 but his kda is total &#! 1:2.1
Do you ever check anything before saying ? Seems not, and that fact just keeps telling me how unaware you are.
2 hours ago, -----LegioN----- said:There's plenty of players who keep doing conclave and not only for the syandana, the fact that you don't see them doesn't mean we don't exist.
Well i know my writing English is not the best as i don't come from native English country but that's exactly what i wrote... Players who enjoy PVP will play it and 1 cosmetic item won't change that. So either you have issues with understanding or idk.
2 hours ago, -----LegioN----- said:KD is just a meaningless number, and you're giving the reason yourself by trying to use a comparison between ours to make a point. I'm not changing my 1.3/1 KD obtained by playing against the top players from the start (I didn't even have a chance to take part on recruit conditioning) for a 2.1/1 obtained by fighting mostly against players with the parkour skills of a grineer lancer and the accuracy of a storm trooper that don't even bother with counter attacking. I'd even prefer going 1/2 than playing on those lobbies.
Neither do i know vs who you play neither you know vs who i play, as i said, that happens once in a while, i'm pretty sure that happens even to you, and top players ? Pls.. just check liolio profile, top mr23 player there.
Players named by Heckz those were top players and all of their kda is above 2.0 even 9.0+. So i don't know what are you trying to prove me with playing only vs top players.
I know kda is not the most precise factor but it's pretty simple and easy way to see at least some kind of degree how players plays. Just check players Heckzu mentioned :-)
And theoretically if we look at most games i'm coming from region which after Asia is next from where top players are coming, middle of the Europe.
2 hours ago, -----LegioN----- said:You're just being extremist, I can play rugby with my team or have a friendly match against another team just to have a good laugh while talking and practicing at the same time. I can go public in a conclave match and talk to other players with no need of being competitive nor becoming salty just because someone killed me even if it was with some cheesy tactics. Things don't need to be always black or white.
? So when you do that, you do not try to improve ? What's the point of playing then ? Core goal of games is competition. And having lazy useless player in a team will cause it to lose.
2 hours ago, -----LegioN----- said:No, but we don't keep getting medals nor participation prices for something we achieved on the previous tournament. In order to keep getting medals we need to keep training, improving and winning events or earning new titles.
? Again it seems you are not understanding or missing something, you got a medal, you earned it, it's yours, no matter what happens no matter how much time passes it won't disappear as long as you don't sell it or w/e you can do with it. While if we get "medal syandana" someone "cuts out" the place you got after few days. All you see is a piece of metal and no one knows which place you got, useful medal there :). So essentially when you're 70 years old and if you want to get that "place" of medal shown, you would need to go and run against young 20 year old athletes, flawless logic.
We are not getting multiple different syandanas. We worked and earned the one we wanted. That's it.
In game items should be something you work for, when you earn them, they are yours in the best state possible.
2 hours ago, -----LegioN----- said:well, the point is, Celestia syandana has been ceated as a way to encourage players to do conclave and stay active on it, that's why it has an upkeep, to prevent players from getting it and then never do conclave again.
The fact that it doesn't even glow in profile and can't be seen in relay should show you how much has been thought of that syandana.
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Just get the Arcturus Syandana, Celestia isn't worth it.
Yeah, i have seen that, looks pretty decent as well but having more viable items is always better.
18 hours ago, -----LegioN----- said:Like it or not, everything is related even if it's in a way that you can't see. You talk about the syandana and I respond with it's meaning and purpose, and the conversation keeps going on. Also we're on a forum, an open place to give our opinion about different topics, so don't tell us to stop voicing the reasons why we think this request shouldn't be heard. We might get to an agreement and find a middle point, which still doesn't ensure that DE will change anything in the future.
I do see connections, one of the reasons why i even answer to you, but have you ever seen any moderator enjoy random talk in topic about something specific ? Stay on point, give good arguments on topic, as far i see your current argument is "dedication" by doing daily challenges.
18 hours ago, -----LegioN----- said:And suddenly you try to sound worried about the conclave? Haha, trying to remove the upkeep sounds exactly like what "that kind of players" have tried many times before with no success.
What ? This tells me that you do not read what i say, i completely don't care about current conclave, there is no goal in doing it and fighting either really bad players or someone who uses "cheesy strats" is not enjoyable... If it's enjoyable for you to play like this (screenshot below), then i can just ignore your further comments. Not to mention one of them was on rhino.
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19 hours ago, Heckzu said:How are players who are putting in effort when they play "worse than a bot"?
Effort ? Did you read what kind of players i have met with your effort ? Run away, literally not even trying to shoot at me, standing afk, running away and camping in some ridiculous corner of map, nice effort. I'd enjoy more bot with aimbot shooting at me than a player who has no interest in PVP and just afks. That's how it's worse than a bot.
18 hours ago, -----LegioN----- said:You're ignoring that the purpose of the syandana is rewarding the active conclave players while encouraging more players to do the same. You're also forgetting that it's not a shore if you enjoy what you're doing, so i guess that all you want is being able to stop doing it while keeping the rewards by removing the upkeep.
Wait wait wait, where you do see that kind of information ? Where does it say, THIS SYANDANA IS REWARDING ACTIVE PLAYERS ? The most it says, is displaying progress of daily and weekly challenges, reward for your daily/weekly challenges is standing. For me personally it makes no sense to have daily/weekly challenge progress displayed on cosmetic item in a way that without them it's pretty much useless.
18 hours ago, -----LegioN----- said:Those are the players you're trying to defend by giving them the fully lit syandana with a one time "effort"
Yeah ? Maybe because almost all if not all games work that way ? You put effort in something, you earn it and it's yours, do you ever see any game where you get an item, then you have to spend 2 days each week to again use that item ? Just imagine working your &#! for Maiming Strike, farming plat then for it to be active you would need to slide kill 1000 targets or spend more plat before mod becomes active, do i even need to explain how many players would be frustrated ?
And if we look in total time, average person would need ~2-4 weeks to get to Typhoon and fill standing to full, assuming that person plays other games as well. How come that is not effort ? You work your way to earn some cool item, obviously you want to use it. Having "upkeep" by itself is pretty ridiculous idea in the first place.
18 hours ago, -----LegioN----- said:You're stuck in the meta, if you're not willing to try some actually different builds then there's nothing I can do for you.
What meta ? No matter what weapon you take, if you place most used mods, you will destroy current content without any effort. How come you are mr23 and still don't know that ?
18 hours ago, -----LegioN----- said:Did you actually read my response? I said it would move the waters a bit, but not enough to change things much.
?? I read your whole response, seems you don't understand what i mean though, i didn't talk about changing player quantity neither of leader boards, i was talking about my request to change requirement for syandana to be lit up, current topic, if you can't hold on the topic, do not keep filling it with off-topic.
19 hours ago, Logooooooooo said:If you're gonna say what i request will decrease...
My request was not to add leader boards if you still haven't noticed that, i just mentioned that as one of possible goals but i kept mentioning, this is not topic about that, if you want to talk about that, create your topic and talk about that there.
18 hours ago, -----LegioN----- said:You still need to work and apply the learnt subjects after leaving university.
Analogies from real world do not precisely apply to the game. I can give you countless analogies, with same logic we can say, we need to pay to play this game, we need to eat food to stay alive in game, but do we have to do that ? No. Those kind of chores are removed, why ? This is a game. Too many people don't like that, therefore it's not logical to have that kind of features to the game. That's why i made this topic, i personally don't like current state of PVP and do not see how doing those challenges make sense to lit up 1 syandana.
And honestly i don't see any valid argument why you do not want this to be changed. You keep talking about useless stuff that we can argue forever.
Only "argument" is see from you is "effort" but that is too subjective topic, for you effort is doing 2 daily "CHALLENGES" for me it's doing some work, achieving something, earning what i wanted and move on.
18 hours ago, -----LegioN----- said:How would you call commitment to get max standing and never play conclave again? <- my real question on this request.
Do athlete's earned medals become invisible after they stop participating ?
18 hours ago, -----LegioN----- said:I know it's a personal thing, but the only reward I need from conclave is realizing how I improve while playing it (yes, I don't even buy those "juicy relic packs" because I don't care about "wasted standing"... I just wanna play, and chill on pvp)
Improve ? Well you're improving pretty terribly then, your kda is 1.3, mine is 2.1 even if yours is in 10x higher scale, i started played vs players that knew much more than i did, so theoretically you should have had a lot better kda. And i don't even have built soma prime. And almost never use frame abilites in conclave.
Chill ? That's where all what you say becomes ridiculous, you talk about effort/commitment/dedication which contradicts effort/dedication, with effort and dedication you should be sweating your &#! to become the best.
19 hours ago, Heckzu said:If the flames lit up based on current standing, then obtaining 130k standing and then not spending it would remove the upkeep of the Syandana, so you are indeed asking to remove the upkeep even if it's unintentional. The only way to remedy that scenario would be to make Conclave standing diminish over time, like Argon Crystals. But then it would have just gone full circle back into requiring daily play to keep it lit.
That's the choice of player, to not use his standing and keep his syandana lit. I do not see what is bad with that, as i mentioned before, players that come to just 2 "challenges" are not PVP players that you want to have, hence why you see PVP nearly dead. A lot of work has to be done to PVP to change players interest, the amount of work that has to be done is way above than adding 1-2 items, Warframe's core gameplay is not PVP, playerbase is completely different, but as you said you are one of those who come and do 2 challenges and don't enter PVP again(even if you do that cause busy)
IS THIS REALLY WHAT KIND OF PLAYERS ANYONE WANTS IN PVP ? 0 Effort player, come do something half-hearthly and leave, there is no competition with that kind of player. No one is interested to do PVP to lit up 1 cosmetic item, even if there is someone that is below 1% of whole player base, i'm pretty sure.
If someone actually likes PVP they will keep playing it, 1 cosmetic item won't change anything for them.I did pvp with full effort even without realizing there is pretty cool syandana, i would try my best and fight even if i had a S#&$ty weapon and someone was using relatively broken stuff, i still wanted to 1v1 that person and win against that, it's fun to have challenge in game. I can not stand players who run away or rage quit, be that my will i would literally ban them from PVP.
Those "challenges" can be barely called with such word, that's why i do not see about what kind of effort half of you are talking, if it would be "hold #1 in leader boards" then we could talk about effort. Getting 3 kills while holding 1 button is not a challenge.
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1 hour ago, -----LegioN----- said:
I'm sure some players still can't get frames like Nidus regardless of farming for them since day one and even when those have been released way more than a week ago.
You are talking about frame that adds so much, new abilities, new look, new lore, everything.. while i'm doing what ? I'm talking about 1 cosmetic that changes nothing but look..
1 hour ago, -----LegioN----- said:You can always put your own goals and try new builds. If the game starts getting bored (to the point of it making you suffer) I'd even recommend taking a short break and come back a couple of days/weeks/months/years/centuries later if needed. There's no one forcing you to stay and keep looking at the chat window waiting for the red text or at the nav console waiting for something interesting to pop-up.
At the moment there is little to no reason to try "new build" which is pretty much changing 1-2 mods, everything dies in 1-2 shots, only way to "increase difficulty" is by playing endless missions which barely change anything, instead of you killing everything with 1 shot it's opposite and gets too repetitive really fast...
1 hour ago, -----LegioN----- said:Equip another syandana. Problem solved with no need of doing something you don't like ;-)
So
1 hour ago, -----LegioN----- said:Because you're trying to forget the pkace where that syandana came from by removing it's upkeep.
Nice logic ;-) , let's just forget it then
1 hour ago, -----LegioN----- said:a perfect chance to practice aiming, tracking, or whatever.
Yeah, it definitely was "FUN" with gorgon to shoot target that only ran as fast as possible...
1 hour ago, -----LegioN----- said:Just re-read above, all you need is 4 dailies (or 1 weekly + 3 dailies, 2 weeklies +2 dailies works too!!!) to complete it. 2 days is the time needed to get the third weekly (conditioning) which requires 10 dailies to complete. The other 2 weeklies can be easily done in a day.
Yeah, on paper it looks "okay", but i don't understand why are you ignoring my core issue, it's useless chore.. doing daily "challenges" to lit up 1 specific syandana
I can not understand what are you trying to defend ? Players who just do daily/weekly challenge then never enter conclave or what ? Worse than a bot. That kind of player means nothing to PVP that's why i don't see reason for this upkeep, and i'm not asking to remove upkeep at all, i'm asking for current conclave standing to be that upkeep, so whenever you use it for those "juicy relic packs" you lose your tails... If i choose to never use my conclave standing then why wouldn't that be fair to have my conclave syandana lit up ??
1 hour ago, -----LegioN----- said:Would a leaderboard magically change players' mind about conclave?
I doubt it would decrease current "player" count :- ) If you're gonna say what i request will decrease player count then as i mentioned before, player that just comes to do daily challenge and then literally stand afk or player that just runs away, i do not count as a player at all.
1 hour ago, -----LegioN----- said:If a student quits university right after getting his first high mark on a test while claiming he has nothing more to learn, I wouldn't say he's committed to study.
wtf is even this, we are talking about 1 specific cosmetic item, and even if you look at this analogy, can you even quit Typhoon rank ? No. You pretty much do your grades by going to Typhoon, you reach it.. finish, you completed your "university" , or you want to tell me that after you finish your university you enroll the same university the same subject so you can keep on "studying" the same things ? ? ? And how can you call a commitment doing 2 daily challenges then never entering your "university" again ???? Sadly there is no goal in current PVP and it doesn't feel rewarding.
And again why do you keep adding off topics, i'm not talking about anything else expect this specific syandana, literally flooding topic with useless talk which means nothing to current request.
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21 hours ago, Nazrethim said:
The weekly mission can be completed in 2 days
2 days... that doesn't sound ridiculous already ? For 1 cosmetic item to even work.. Every single week doing that ? Sorry but except that, there is literally nothing to do in the game when you have gotten pretty much everything you wanted.
Simple example, i don't play for a week or two, then come back as there is some event, oh right.. my frame doesn't look as i want now let me grind dead conclave for 2 days then return back to missions that i wanna try... Sounds fun... : -) also it seems for those 2 days you included completely every single daily which completing in that "football" mode and cephalon capture or w/e it's called is ridiculous, no matter when and how many times i tried to join, had 0 players...
I like this game but i don't feel like spending 2 days to activate 1 syandana, of course you can say "then don't do it.. " but with same attitude you can literally turn off game and uninstall it..
After nearly 1k hours in Warframe for me personally this game now is like a chill time, come in once in a while do some events, have some fun killing, play around with color palettes/cosmetic items.
PVP itself doesn't have any goal in this game, is there even any leader board ? No..
21 hours ago, Nazrethim said:And have already been posted. The most notable, practical and 'why isn't a thing already' way is to make Conclave stances, augments and all mods usable in PvE without adding them to Sentients or some other enemy (which would 1-defeat the purpose of them being conclave rewards and 2-would clog pve droptables with undesired conclave mods, like what happens when a conculyst drops a conclave mod instead of VR)
I don't really care about this topic, i'm talking about syandana, i'm pretty sure devs are aware that there can be plenty of things done and why no one really does much about it, is different topic...
9 hours ago, Kierlak said:Yes, but all the other syndicate syandanas still show their energy sections baseline, even if it's a little more dim. I don't have to scan anything for me to still see the Cephalon Suda syandana energy. I don't have to get hit for the Vaykor syandana to emit it's flames, etc.
Exactly
28 minutes ago, SevenLetterKWord said:So, this is what your argument boils down to?
Cut through all the hostage crises and we're left with:
"The unlit Celestia Syandana doesn't look as good as other unlit syndicate syandanas."It's not about good or bad, there is literally nothing to look at except some graving when it's unlit...
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41 minutes ago, -----LegioN----- said:
And turn it into another "get and forget" item? Pls no, the game is already full of those.
This syandana in particular was created to show commitment to conclave, and making it glow based on standing instead of on challenges allows players to get it, max their standing one last time and forget conclave, defeating it's purpose.
Why forget ??? I like this item, i want to use it but consistantly doing "challenges" is really annoying
It takes a lot of time to get it already, which i think is enough to show your commitment. Spending more than 1 week to get 1 item in game isn't that like ridiculously long for any game ? Not to mention it's literally only cosmetic item...
Speaking of commitment, while i was trying to get it i met one of your "committed" players.. all he was doing is jump around the map avoiding me as much as possible, it was that canyon or w/e map where getting on top is a little bit annoying, you know why ? because one of the challenges is just to finish a game not to win or lose.. It was a 1v1 as no one else played at that time ( what a surprise ). He didn't shoot me even even once... It was ridiculously frustrating to play vs that, it's so easy to run away and get a health pack
38 minutes ago, (Xbox One)Tylers Legend said:And there will be much less players after this being implemented.
Sorry, I don't like it. Sorry, you can't find matches.
Uhm, what ? Why would 1 cosmetic item determine how much PVP players there are ? This shouldn't be determining factor of how many players play PVP at all.. Of course it influences it a bit.. but do people play pvp games to get 1 cosmetic item ? no.
And i'm sure console pvp player base is way different, on PC without any kind of event only way is to play on player peak times otherwise it's just dead...
If people want more PVP players then give your advice in that kind of topic or create your own.. There are a lot of things that can be done to PVP to increase it's playerbase.
Also i'm quite aware that this probably won't get implemented but heck.. nothing bad will happen if i at least try.
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Can this syandana glow based on your current conclave standing instead of challenges ?
Not only completing those challenges can take forever as conclave is not the most popular but just doing all the tasks itself takes a lot..
Another reason, if someone has already bought everything from conclave rewards there is literally no point to do the challenges..
Don't think anyone would be against this kind of change, i just can't stand looking at this pretty cool syandana that i worked so hard for and next day have only few flames...
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3 hours ago, Kaiser_Suoh said:
nice Scarecrow
hahah, actually it freaked me out a little after i was afk and closed star chart and saw some body like thing.. D;
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1 hour ago, zehne said:
Let me guess, his name is Orta Prime?
bingo :p
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this is starting to become scary :-D
Conclave Celestia syandana
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That's exactly where we have issue, challenges are so useless and pretty much take no effort to complete that just having them is questionable, but well it can boost up standing gain quite significantly so i guess that's a bonus, but connecting this kind of "challenge" with 1 cosmetic item to be viable in my opinion doesn't make any sense. I didn't start playing Warframe from the beginning but i can assume this kind of bonus was added so players get conclave rewards faster, and not even directly faster, just spend less time in mode that only little fraction of players enjoy. (Devs probably understood that.)
Have you tried to actually calculate how much time it actually takes to get this "effortless" syandana ? 100k syandana alone, 240k Typhoon, assuming you are not max MR you would end up getting like ~15k if not less if you want this syandana faster. 340/15 = ~22 raw days, that's nearly a month... Only way to "bypass" this is with weekly challenge reward but.. you are not guaranteed to use full amount of that reward as for me i got that reward when i was right about to rank up, therefore i won't count that as there is no need in such precision.
You know how much plat you can farm in 3 weeks ? Enough to buy every single syandana that is obtainable using plat.
OH and forgot about maxing standing again which is what 132k more ? That makes it a full month unless we actually count weekly reward that could somewhat make it back to 3 weeks, if that is not effort then anything that you can get in this game in less than a month is useless effortless piece of trash ? There is no other way around to get this item which explains why you have to work extra to get it. But doing "challenges" with which you achieve literally nothing to make it a viable item after you spent 1 month trying to get it seems quite reasonable :-) (that reasonable part was sarcasm, if you didn't get it).
Laziness or not but my goal for this topic was to make something more straight forward and less annoying to use.
Spending nearly 1 month for 1 item and then nearly 1 hour a day to make 1 item usable ? Imo only blatant fools will see that reasonable. I don't see who else would like that.
Where did i try to dismiss someone's opinion using kda ? You two were trying to tell me how much effort you put and all that jazz. Unless you have some kind of issues, no matter how bad you are if you put enough actual effort you will get better. And kda that you get directly from killing other players aka being better than them is exactly how you determine abilities of a player aka how much effort someone put to improve. If someone has terrible kda then he is not performing, no matter vs who he is playing. I'm not certain about this information but as i have noticed you play around the same rank as you are aka Typhoon in our case, which means those are players who have at least some kind of understanding about PVP in this game. And if that is true, difference between your "top players" and mine should be minuscule or none at all. You are trying to tell me i'm playing vs newbs, who do you think you are vs those players who got mentioned here ? You are newb for them. They are literally farming you and other weaker players.
I'm not saying i'm literally destroying every player, i have met players who i can barely kill as it's fairly easy to abuse health globes and top player won't die easily.
That is more than obvious and i perfectly understand that. Top player? seriously ? Are you trying to intentionally pretend dumb or it's me who is typing responses at ~4am. How can you not distinguish sarcasm from serious words ?
I have no clue where you can farm that and no interest but as Heckzu said, he is playing vs those players who have 9+ kda. So who do you think they are farming ?
That liolio player has 3.1k hours in game, so i doubt he is someone who just lvled up everything on Draco and aims with his leg. He may have tried something i have no clue but not only his so "farmed" kda showed how terrible he was but actual gameplay as well.
My logic may have flaws in terms of raw perfect stats as you stated there are ways to farm it, but in perfect scenario that kda displays decent information of player abilities.
In any case this has nothing to do with current topic request and only reason why i am talking about this is because you kept mentioning "effort" and "dedication" which i can not see neither in 2-4 game a day nor someone who just chills.