Deimorne
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On 2019-03-13 at 7:27 AM, Funcooker said:
Good. Every frame since Gara have been mediocre at best.
I beg to differ on that. Garuda is pretty awesome.
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On 2019-03-07 at 12:09 AM, ObviousLee said:
magnets require a magnetic field to be isolated in its current along predetermined pathings in order to facilitate controlled oppositional forces of magnetism. Hyldrn does not follow those laws based on whats been presented from her kit. but that could be updated upon release.
You're arguing about scientific laws in a game where you play futuristic space ninjas who have organic metal skin... I honestly can't believe someone is this upset over something this trivial. Seriously, like so many have said already, if you're not happy, fine, you can voice your opinion, but trust me, moaning this much won't change anything. I personally don't have any real issue with her ability to FLOAT/HOVER (not fly) and it seems most people feel the same.
There's no issue here of other frames being stepped on or overlooked or even getting more favour than others. You need to also take into consideration that when the abilities of the frames are created/re-worked, they have to be so careful to make them unique and not make them similar or at least too similar to the abilities of other frames. Another thing to take into consideration is that Hildryn is the first frame to have no energy, she uses her shields. DE likely juggled several kinds of ideas before concluding the set she has was the best option for her. (At least for the time being.) Overall, her abilities are just what they are, her abilities. I see no real overshadowing of any other frame when it comes to Hildryn. I like her, but nothing about her makes me want to play her more than others nor do I also feel that she's been given an unfair one-up over other frames I play.
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So, just curious, what songs do people think fits the frames? I listen to a lot of music while playing Warframe, and it clicked with me it would be awesome to find tunes that actually fit the frames. Share whatever you think is a good idea! I'll share one I've got already. My Saryn Prime is one of my babes and I love listening to this awesome cover of Alice Coopers Poison!
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53 minutes ago, (PS4)BOSS_TPH76 said:
I never said they were. I asked you to define it in the context of probability...because how you were actually explaining it up until that point and even after was...like Buff00n elaborately explained to you...ambiguous and mixing two different concepts in your definition and your graphs. Meaning you used, like I said, the wrong mathematical theory to differentiate between likelihood and probability because that theory is not actually usable in this case.
Likelihood is based on observed data. Probability is based on future data.
And if you really want to get technical....the likelihood that "specific roll A" will occur...in a specific collection...will increase the same amount with the frequency of rolls...as "Not roll A but specific B" assuming there is no bias. And because that is true...the only real thing you can say is in an infinite amount of rolls...you will, with no guarantee to order of occurrence is that eventually given enough rolls...the outcome of all your rolls will start to resemble its theoretical probability.
2 hours ago, Hypernaut1 said:At this point, I think you're just trying to sound smart.
You're taking a concept a child can understand and trying to make it complex
I get the feeling this has gone far away from the original topic I made about the issues with onslaught and you two are just trying to upstage one another in a game of "Who's More Right". Try and keep it about the actual topic please, which has been about if onslaught is an issue, a failure, if the Khora blueprints drop rates are cruelly low, etc.
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I think I'm officially done.
I've spent the past week farming for her, it's my second week attempting. And now, I'm still without her. I'm a tad closer, but still don't have all I need. I've been given rewards for things I don't want. I couldn't care less for focus right now, and I'm seriously just done... I'd be happier watching paint dry, grass grow... I'm seriously depressed...
I spent 11 hours on Saturday alone... 11 whole hours, and not a single part for her dropped. All I could see in my message box was,
"You have been playing for over an hour. Please don't forget to take a break."
"You have been playing for over an hour. Please don't forget to take a break."
"You have been playing for over an hour. Please don't forget to take a break."
"You have been playing for over an hour. Please don't forget to take a break."
"You have been playing for over an hour. Please don't forget to take a break."
"You have been playing for over an hour. Please don't forget to take a break."
"You have been playing for over an hour. Please don't forget to take a break."
"You have been playing for over an hour. Please don't forget to take a break."
"You have been playing for over an hour. Please don't forget to take a break."
"You have been playing for over an hour. Please don't forget to take a break."
"You have been playing for over an hour. Please don't forget to take a break."
And I had nothing but things I... really... didn't... want... or... need.
This is a failure. Simple as that. When something depresses you in a game, it's a problem.
I know it was my choice to grind it. It was my choice to do it. I could of done something else, easily, happily. But, when someone wants a new Frame, it's obvious there are going to be those like myself who are stubborn and will do everything to get it. But this time, I'm broken... Khora. Forget it. I'm sick of onslaught, sick of hearing Simaris say his repetitive lines, sick of the 18 or so minutes I have to do just to get to zone 8...
I'm done. I quit Warframe.
At least for a time. I just need a break... Though, I have no idea when I'll come back to it. I just don't want anything to do with it anymore right now.
If you love onslaught, then good. I'm happy you do. Enjoy it to your hearts content. I'm glad it's something good for at least someone. But for those of you who have been through what I've gone through, I feel for you. And for those of you who are still going, you have my sympathy and I wish you all the best.
I'm done...
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19 hours ago, rune_me said:
Ah my apologies, I misread your post then.
Like I said, you should just think of onslaught as a specialized place the same way you do the index. You go there to max out your daily focus. Same as you would go to the index to farm credits. If you don't need focus, there's not much reason to go to onslaught. Again, same as there's no reason to do index if you don't need credits.
One other note is that elite onslaught can drop up to four radiant relics in 20 minutes of gameplay. If you're farming prime parts to make plat, that's actually pretty good. Considering how long it would take you to farm four relics and the 400 void traces it would take to make them radiant, that can be a time saver.
Yeah, but just like what happened with index, nobody... or rather, most don't like it because of that terrible part of Nidus' ques line that included it. The same situation is happening here is that people in my situation who haven't been lucky with the RNG for Khora have been left with a very bitter taste from onslaught due to trying to obtain Khora.
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1 minute ago, (PS4)Taishin_Ishu said:
I will absolutely go to Zone 25 for the hell of it! Don't presume that everyone needs THINGS to enjoy the EXPERIENCE. I fight the masses because it's -fun-. It's what got me into Warframe. Not the "rewards". I've currently got more "rewards" than I know what to do with. I just wanted a place to USE them. Enter Onslaught.
A quest would be cool, and there sorta is a low-key plot for her....but understand this: The writing team is working hard on trying to get The Sacrifice out. That's a major quest. Khora was meant to be just a fun tidbit to tide us over and introduce new mechanics, but Damage 2.5 got scrapped. They went back to work on her, but us adoring and understanding fans just kept putting pressure on DE to put her out. We see it, and we want it yesterday...Which is a shame. That being said, the more they work on quests for things like Khora, the less they spend on the MAIN cinematic quests.
Khora may be your CURRENT priority, but it isn't DE's main focus.
But I digress, play Onslaught for the onslaught of enemies (almost like they named it for a reason! :O).And I've never maid any claim it should be DE's main focus. Even I think that's asking a stupidly insane thing for no real logical reason. All I ask is that she gets looked at. I personally believe the 5% drop chance is a painfully low chance. Which for those who are unlucky, makes going through the repetitive onslaught a real problem.
My situation is that I found myself yawning when playing onslaught. There's nothing in it for ones like me.
I understand and accept you like it, even love it. Which I'm happy to hear. But for me, it's just too painfully boring for what it is. I even love the basic regular missions, because in those, things can change and there's things to find. An enemy to scan, an item you've been needing to pick up, opening stashes and lockers for things, hoping an Ayatan Star drops out. Hell, even the basic missions can surprise you. You can be on a spy mission, and towards the end, the Lotus will contact you, suddenly changing it to exterminate or sabotage or such.
I just hate the idea of finding warframe boring because I love it so much. And I am happy to farm for a frame, yes. But I really don't want to be forced through the same meaningless horde mode again, again, again, again, again, again, again and again.
And yes, I gathered onslaught was named for the onslaught of enemies. Most people would piece that together. But thank you for pointing that out all the same.
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3 minutes ago, rune_me said:
Of course. But you should remember the same. You were the one who said:
And:
You made the assumption that credits and resources were better rewards (or more "special") than what is currently being offered. But I need focus, and relics, and even endo, much much more than I have ever needed credits or resources. Not everyone has mass amounts of focus either.
Besides, you already have a place to farm credits: the index. There's no need to add another.
Just think of onslaught as the place to farm focus, in the same way you think of the index as the place to farm credit.
I apologize if it seems that's the assumption I was making. It wasn't. What I was indicating towards with that is that Onslaught doesn't even offer the basic things that we've seen in most other things. Which came as a surprise to me. I would of thought something that offers, at least in my eyes, so little useful things to me would at least drop credits and resources.
I apologize for any confusion from my end.
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Just now, (PS4)Taishin_Ishu said:
What does getting the challenge have to do with what it drops? Getting the reward isn't the challenge. The actual CHALLENGE is the challenge. They gave us an all-out horde fight that escalates much faster, like we asked, with a leaderboard type setup to compete for supremacy. This is literally what people nagged about. DE did it. Now y'all want more.
If it is meant to be ENDGAME content, ya know...for "vets" that already "have everything" ...then tell me what they COULD add to the drop tables that would even matter to those "endgamers"?
The mode itself is the gift from DE. Just...stop.I don't think you've paid attention to what this thread really is about. Or at least some of the key points. Onslaught is a good idea, but it's far from what we asked for. We wanted something with a challenge, and playing onslaught just isn't a challenge. Possibly it is if you go into higher level zones, but at the end of the day, people will want something worthwhile for doing it. They won't spend hours going up to, hypothetically, Zone 25 in Onslaught hardcore mode to only get a bunch of uneeded relics from it.
But the overall point I've tried to make isn't about onslaught itself, it's about the painfully low drop chance for Khora. I was hoping Khora was going to have her own quest, like Gara, so I was disappointed when she didn't get one. I still gave onslaught a chance, but two weeks of grinding later, all I have to show for it in terms of acquiring Khora is six chassis BP's and dozens of everything else from captura scenes to useless relics.
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31 minutes ago, rune_me said:
You don't need resources or credits in endgame either. I have 10's of millions of credits. I don't think I've been below 10 million since I was MR 15. And I have never, ever farmed for credits (I have never played index, except for the Nidus quest where you had to). And except for the hard to get resources (nitain/cryotic/kuva) I have never been short of resources in this game, ever.
Giving those as rewards for "endgame" content would be a joke.
Did you take into consideration that perhaps not everyone has mass amounts of credits and resources like you? I myself am only MR 10. And the most I've ever had credit wise is 3 mil, which quickly went when I ranked up some primed mods. Took a lot of endo and most of my credits.
Just remember every other persons experience of Warframe will be entirely different from your own.
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On 2018-05-04 at 3:15 AM, BladeRambler said:
I don't understand the impatience here. The game mode just came out and it's way better than Defection which was our last new mission type besides the Plains.
Don't forget the first rule of Warframe is to combine farms and don't burn out focusing on one item at a time. I like regular Onslaught: I use it to simultaneously level gear, gain focus with already-leveled gear, acquire relics/endo (which I can convert to plat easily) and eventually get Khora. It's essentially the same mechanic as survival, but it's much more focused and ramps-up the difficulty (and fun!) much faster.
Also, I will never go to Hydron or Akkad again and snooze through another defense while I'm forma-ing gear, so that alone is worth it.
I think as it stands it's not really about the impatience when it comes to what you're talking about. I think the biggest gripe most have with Onslaught, regular or hardcore, is that is doesn't really offer anything special.
The WFPC asked DE for something challenging for those of us who are high end late game players. But onslaught doesn't seem to be what the majority of them asked for. There's no resources, no credits, just exp and focus. And for those of us who don't need exp and focus, it's a pointless addition. On top of that, the best rewards it drops are endo and relics, and a lot of late game players have relics coming out of their ears.
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On 2018-05-03 at 6:28 AM, (PS4)Taishin_Ishu said:
No, Warframe has never been about being something -everyone- likes equally. It IS, however, a game meant to have something FOR everyone. DIFFERENT tastes for DIFFERENT players and playstyles. That's all.
If people are divided, that's perfectly fine. Some people like Conclave still, and some don't. Personally, I don't mind it, nor do I have issue with Archwing. I quite like it.
Also, do not state that you are going to recite "facts", then follow it up with opinions.
You have no solid evidence of number of supporters for either side (not that it would matter if you did).
Your OPINION on the rewards is only an opinion. I, for one, WELCOME an "endless horde".
If you haven't gotten the good side of RNG yet, keep trying. Or don't. That's your choice...but stop trying to convince us it should also be ours. We can make our own choices, thanks.
You're very welcome. I'm happy to hear you like onslaught. Your points of view have been taken on board. Have a nice day. :)
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8 hours ago, rune_me said:
But again, you are judging the entire experience based on your own bad luck, that's not fair.
Imagine someone who gets all the part in a two runs and then declares that Khora is the easiest frame to get ever. You are basically doing the same, just in reverse.
The fact is that roughly 30 runs is the average. And of course some will go above that and roughly the same amount of people will go below that. And that still evens out to roughly 30 runs, because that's how chance works: Almost no one will get the most likely outcome, but the average of everyone trying will be very close to the most likely (and continue to move closer and closer to it, the more people who try it).
But this still shows that this is a very imbalanced idea in that case. If this situation divides the player base onto two sides by making some like myself, extremely unlucky, others extremely lucky and then there's the middle ground who had to grind for only a few hours to get all they needed, this is something that isn't really working. As far as game developers are concerned, especially ones like DE, I'm pretty sure there's a thing they say along the lines of "If a large number of players are unhappy, then it needs to be at least looked at."
For me, just going through a few of the comments on here and other threads shows a lot of people are having a bad time trying to farm Khora.
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1 hour ago, rune_me said:
Which is why I still feel only really the average number of runs matters. Which is 9 hours. Which is still a long time, but acceptable.
But this is only for some. For ones like myself, I spent a week and only got two blueprints, the third being lost in a bug out, which didn't matter because it was a duplicate of the first two anyway. A week and nothing. This is why I feel it's a terrible idea to lock blueprints to brand new content behind RNG's. This is destiny 2 levels of mess in my honest opinion.
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2 minutes ago, SethCypher said:
I think Hydroid release, Mesa and Nezha release were worse in terms of part acquisition.
According to the math a previous community member posted back on page two, apparently not. He worked out Kora is by far the worst grind of them all.
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16 hours ago, sleepychewbacca said:
I spent a day on Warframe. 10 hours just running ESO back to back. I had pretty much everything in the game prior to that, so I was quite keen on the idea of new junk to mess about it.
About the 9th hour, I finally completed the Vandals and Khora. Built them, sold some prime junk and rushed the build with plat.
It was a huge mistake. In hindsight, I should have just casually grinded it for the focus and relics, and if something dropped, hey, there we go. Literally burnout prime. I've not logged in for the last 3 days, and I'll probably have to play something else before I feel like touching Warframe again.
So I guess I'm trying to say too much of a chance to get something might be a bad thing. But it could definitely use a tweak to the drop chances.This is interesting to know.
So, you feel you obtained Khora too quickly? Even after a nine hour grind fest?
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6 minutes ago, Buff00n said:
I did some math, just looking at the time commitment required to obtain Khora as compared to the other often-cited "heavy grind" frames. I looked at the average number of runs required to obtain all parts, and the number of runs required for 90% confidence. The math is wicked complicated when you have a single drop table with multiple rewards that you want (It's a Negative Multinomial distribution, if you want to dive down a Wikipedia hole). It's actually easier and quicker to just run a simulation a few million times and look at the results, which is what I did.
On average it will take a player 27 runs, or 9 hours of regular Onslaught, to obtain Khora. For 90% confidence it will take 51+ runs, or 17+ hours. 10% of players who decide to grind it out will spend more than 17 hours on it. As far as non-prime frames go, this time commitment is in a league by itself.
On average it will take a player 22 runs to obtain Equinox, and for 90% confidence you need 33+ runs. This is less than the 27-51+ runs Khora requires, and each run takes far less than 20 minutes.
Atlas, along with most of the "regular" boss-obtained frames, will take just 6-10+ runs. It doesn't take 90 minutes to kill Jordas no matter how garbage your AW equipment is. This is also something you can easily get help on to make the mission go faster. I've personally done that for people quite a few times.
Nekros is 6-9+ runs. The added step of getting Lephantis nav beacons and the hour time gate for building the key makes putting a number on this difficult, but unless you sit there for an hour staring at your foundry waiting for a key every time, and never share keys, it's not going to come close to a 90 minute commitment per run.
Trinity and Saryn require 6-10+ runs. Each run consumes 20 Animo Beacons or 50 Justice Points, which do not take an hour and a half to obtain.
Octavia's Neuroptics requires 5-10+ runs of ODS, or 2-4+ hours.
Harrow's Systems requires 9-20+ runs of Defection. It's hard to put a time on Defection's rotation C because it speeds up during the mission, but it's much less than 20 minutes unless you go AFK on the healing pod, and you still need far fewer than Khora's 27-51+ runs.
Nidus requires 13-22+ runs of Infested Salvage. Four rounds can take 20 minutes if your team isn't that great, but it's still fewer runs than 27-51+.
Gara requires a combined 14-28+ bounty runs. These can take around 15-20 mins each, but the numbers are still far short of Khora's 27-51+ runs.
There might be a case for Mesa, which only requires 6-10+ runs, but obtaining the key can require a lot of time in ODD/ODS (if you don't watch for invasions). However, the key is sharable and, last I checked, the key and its components are tradable, dulling any RNG woes.
There might be a better case for Ivara, which requires a combined 45-95+ runs on various spy missions. But with enough practice you can do each of those in five minutes (ten if you're doing Lua spy), and you will get a lot of practice. Even if you hate Spy, on average you will spend less time on it than people who hate regular Onslaught will spend on Khora.
I don't think Ash, Oberon, and Vauban count, since you can't really "farm" those. Did I miss any others? Titania is annoying but short if you know where to find the stupid plants. Inaros is annoying but short if you know where the wiki is :)
So when you actually run the numbers, Khora requires by far the largest time commitment to obtain a regular frame. The last time a warframe part required that kind of time commitment was in the old void key days with ~5% drop rates on Defense/Survival rotation C. But those were prime parts, and trading was available as a check on RNG.
I'm usually the first one to say you should just play the game and you will get things eventually. But everyone here knows that's not how a large number of players think. Players will burn out on this and there is nothing other players can do to help them save time, short of gifting.
If Khora is your goal then it may literally be more efficient to spend your time doing Eidolon runs and sell 325p worth of Arcanes.
I don't know what impresses me more...
The fact that you did all that math, or the fact that you actually found a legit bit of proof for the side of the debate against the grind.
Honestly, it's both, really.
Thank you for this. It's actually on a serious note very interesting to see the heavy details. I had a feeling the Khora was going to be a high commitment, but from the way others were talking, I was getting the impression others, such as Ivara, were more difficult. Yet, there's the evidence showing Khora is the worst.
Perhaps I really should cave and just buy the plat... Or maybe just Eidolon hunt like you said for Arcanes.
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18 minutes ago, LupisV0lk said:
No, no it is not. I'm surprised by how triggered people are about how to acquire her and yet nary a peep about Ivara.
Actually, there was a bit of an uproar about Ivara. But it quietened down quickly. This time though, I feel they're just making it crazy hard and frustrating for no real reason.
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19 minutes ago, Reifnir said:
Started farming Khora when she released.
So far, I'm sitting on a pile of every single Khora part, except her BP. I think I have 5 or 6 systems already, and now I have to spend 20 minutes of my time, getting literally NOTHING (I have maxed out all focus trees long before Onslaught was even released) and worst of all - with no way to speed it up.
At least when running endless Defense you can gather a good squad and nuke through waves faster.
In Onslaught you just have to wait and nuke from time to time. It's boring, DEAD boring.
Once I get Khora and (if I have the patience) Vandals, I don't want to come back to this mode. Ever.
That I can agree with. This onslaught mode, unless they do something to make it really worthwhile, I never want anything to do with it ever again.
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2 hours ago, Travka- said:
see it called RNG
just keep it up , " patient is key " that all i can say about this game who know you might get her tomorrow 
Yes, that won't happen. I've decided I'm just not doing this. I can't do something I despise doing just for a frame.
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5 minutes ago, Travka- said:
it about RNG if you got her all her parts in few hours you still complaning about this ? nope i don't think so
you need to repeat get in mission and get out that how you play warframe " Patient is a Key "Just keep it up you will get what you want
It seems people are failing to notice that I've said several times I've been grinding for a week with only two Chassis BP's to show for it. I've literally lost my drive to keep going and have become depressed over it after hearing Cephalon Simaris talk his miserable speeches again, again, again and again.
The main problem in this point of view is that just trying to get one frame is making me and likely others hate playing Warframe
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2 minutes ago, NocheLuz said:
No, by patient I mean 'No matter what'. But didn't you lose your patient in making this thread?
I'll tell you a story of how 'Me' and my 'Sibling' is playing the Warframe. For me, I don't want to spend even a single platinum on something you can gain in the game. Which mean I only use my platimun for 'Slot' and... some other stuffs... This also mean all Warframes I've got are from my years of grinding. I'll say to you this. I've got all Octavia and Harrow parts. But without their Blueprint I can't build them... this is because I still didn't done those quest (lol). Now for my 'Sibling'. They have play time more then me. I've like 30 days and they have like 50 days (in the profiles). My sibling will buy any Warframe they deem 'Hard to get'. As far as I know, they've brought 'Ivara' and 'Harrow'. Khora still debatable, but I have them grinding the 'Nidus' parts with me but they seem want to buy it too.
So, get back to topic. You feel insulted because you got reward you don't need? I'm feeling that if you get rewards you needed everytime. You'll still make a thread about how easy it is to get something in this game. And it's have no point in buying her from the Market. Isn't that right?
Actually, quite the opposite. If I get what I'm after, I have no quarrel with anyone or anything. Why would I? I've achieved what I've set out to do. And I understand and appreciate what you've told me, but it was rather pointless. I'm not you or your sibling, and I don't play like you. I save my plat which I don't get all too often save for a little here and there from the coupons I get from log in rewards and the occasional I get from trading, but like you, I use my plat for what I feel I need. Slots, the occasional orokin catalyst, maybe a forma if I really need one.
I've played Warframe from year one. Literally, I joined probably three months after it first went live. So, I'm not a founder, but I am borderline one. In all the years I've played warframe, I've never had to grind one thing for a whole week straight. This is why I made this thread. Because for the first time in my years of playing warframe, I found myself doing somethign I hated in the game. Which isn't what I want from the game. I love Warframe, I even adored it's spiritual predecessor, Dark Sector. It's why I truly call Warframe my one true MMO game. Some have Warcraft, others Guild Wars 2, me? It's Warframe. Anyone would bring up issues they have gripe with in any online game they love playing.
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1 minute ago, NocheLuz said:
If you want her and want to support DE. There are Market for you to go to her and buy her out right. You can have Khora+Slot+Potatoes already installed. You also help DE with your money (or another person money if you get Plat my trading). I see no point in this thread. If you adore DE, like DE... Why don't you support them?
Also, I've got system in the first run. On second run I got both Chassis and Neuroptics... Then her BP is not drop for me for about 20 run after that (got like 4 system lol). I got very impatient. It's already 2 days and I still can't get her BP. But I stop. Stop the game. Stop the run. It shown me no point in running any further since I've max out daily Focus. So, Iwait till the Focus limit reset and said to myself, "I'll only play till Focus limit then end the game for the day". Next morning (It's morning for the Focus reset time in my timezone), in the first run... Khora BP is drop for me. I'm very delighted. This had told me that sometime... Patient is the key.
I understand that, but I think it's clear you didn't read my whole original post. I have farmed Khora for a whole week. Repeated hours of the same miserable onslaught, one after another, and all I have is two chassis prints. I think if anything would show I have patience, it's that. I can tolerate grinding, but a whole week straight with doing nothing but giving me rewards I don't want or need? I feel insulted as a player.
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2 minutes ago, SneakyErvin said:
I'd like to point you towards Atlas, Equinox, Ivara, Mesa and Octavia. One piece of Octavia took me roughly as long to get as the whole Khora set with several repeated 20min survival runs. And that was "only" around 30 survival runs in total. Adding in the time for the quest on that aswell as the puzzle part you have a few more hours.
Ivara may not have been so drudgy long per run, but having to re-run spy over and over isnt more mindnumbing that 8 zones of onlaught. And dont get me started on Atlas. Long long long long fight becuase you simply didnt give a crap about archwing, so you have crap for gear to fight the golem. That fight is even more tedious than anything else.
Then there are frames you simply cannot farm efficiently, like Ash. Or you have the ones like Titania that requires you to go and pick flowers several times over.
I mean none of them are really awful to farm imo except Atlas. When it comes to the rest that you can actually farm, Khora is pretty spot on out of a balanced aquisition perspective.
In my opinion atleast.
I respect your opinion and appreciate you offering it.
But I still see an issue. And since it's clear DE has other frames that are, as claimed to be, harder to farm than Khora, this is something I'm surprised at. I still feel this is an unintentional method of pressuring players into buying frames instead of farming them.
just keep it up , " patient is key " that all i can say about this game who know you might get her tomorrow 
Anyone else tired of warframe?
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Am I tired of Warframe? Hmm... nope! 🙂