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  1. 3 hours ago, [DE]Taylor said:

    Quoting Balor Fomorian drop tables for visibility. 

    Time-Sensitive PC Drop Table for the Balor Fomorian
    400 ENDO                                            75%

    For those concerned as to why this only equals "0.99", it is because they are rounding it too strictly. There are definitely decimals that come after those. The following information has been calculated based on my previous analysis on Warframe Random Number Generation:

    Time-Sensitive PC Drop Table for the Balor Fomorian
    400 ENDO                                            75.88%
    IMPERATOR VANDAL BARREL           11.055%

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  2. 38 minutes ago, Operative_Shift said:

    The Definition of Datamining from an ACTUAL Computer Engineer

    I'll just leave this here for ya'll to stew on. 

    And here's a shorter version, not from a Computer Engineer, but still covers the information about the ACTUAL definition of datamining. 


    Kthnxbai!! <3 <3

    What this person does not understand though is that there are different contexts in which different vocabulary makes statements work. For example, to a general audience, datamining is "the practice of examining large databases in order to generate new information". However, to the Warframe community, datamining is what this individual is trying to call "hacking". However, we cannot say that, because Digital Extremes' own Rebecca Ford described this individual's "hacking" as "datamining" in her own Reddit post:

    "Then our unreleased quest scripts got datamined which we spoke on in this subreddit - we encouraged people not to read it and continued working on what we hoped would remain a surprise." (

    Her "hacking" seems to be in reference to the Excalibur Umbra and Primed Streamline scandals, and as I said before, I was not involved in them. Let me make it clear that I do not have a full understanding regarding how to "inject" models into Warframe nor have I done it myself (since I do not know how to). I do not agree with injecting unobtainable items into video games to promote scams or controversy.

    In fact, the majority of the files that were on the GitHub repository were not encrypted. They were parsed out of a file known as Packages.bin, a, while obfuscated file, was not entirely secure. It was not even encrypted or hashed. It was essentially plaintext for the information that was able to be pulled from it. Other files such as Languages.Bin, DropTables (actually an assortment of many files), or MissionDecks (actually an assortment of many files), files that were encrypted, were not "hacked" out (see how the terminology does not work?) of the game. They were extracted from the application sent to all of our computers (meaning that you could access it too, AGayGuyPlays), and a more accurate term to describe the process of making them readable would be "Reverse Engineering". Reverse Engineering is legal to perform in the United States of America (my country of residence). "Reverse engineering, also called back engineering, is the processes of extracting knowledge or design information from anything man-made and reproducing it or reproducing anything based on the extracted information. The process often involves disassembling something (a mechanical device, electronic component, computer program, or biological, chemical, or organic matter) and analyzing its components and workings in detail." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_engineering) Here is an excerpt from this article:

    "The reasons and goals for obtaining such information vary widely from everyday or socially beneficial actions, to criminal actions, depending upon the situation. Often no intellectual property rights are breached, such as when a person or business cannot recollect how something was done, or what something does, and needs to reverse engineer it to work it out for themselves. Reverse engineering is also beneficial in crime prevention, where suspected malware is reverse engineered to understand what it does, and how to detect and remove it, and to allow computers and devices to work together ("interoperate") and to allow saved files on obsolete systems to be used in newer systems."

    "In the U.S., Section 103(f) of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) (17 USC § 1201 (f) - Reverse Engineering) specifically states that it is legal to reverse engineer and circumvent the protection to achieve interoperability between computer programs (such as information transfer between applications).

    Interopability is "the ability of computer systems or software to exchange and make use of information" in a computing context. Hmm. Exchanging and making use of information? You mean like publishing information to GitHub so the Warframe community can make use of it and exchange it with each other?

    Apologies, Rob from AGayGuyPlays, but this individual is not a lawyer. All of your tweets that talk about people being "scum" for not agreeing with you and Digital Extremes and that they need to stop being "Google Search laywers"? Totally uncalled for. (Honestly, you should be removed from the Warframe Partners program just for that.) Besides the point, one of your (now) main lines of "proof that I am the guilty party" just seems so invalid, at least to me...


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  3. 8 minutes ago, sinisteran said:

    Actually yes. Void is face of data mining and he is technically breaching their copyright. Stopping him would lead to stopping others datamining. Thus reducing future exploits and hacks. Its is not only cheaper but way more efficient. Its a good move actually and they aren't doing anything shady. 

    Shady would be just to IP ban him and remove all possible access he has in the game. Not waste time and create this whole debacle. A 17 yr old cant exactly convince their parents to move or get the ISP to change their IP.

    Actually DE being so bold is more damaging to them than it is helpful. They could have even thrown in an NDA but they didn't. 

    I do not believe that I am infringing on their copyright, but that is what the lawyers are paid to say.

    Also, Digital Extremes did IP block me and remove all possible access I have in the game. It isn't like I play Warframe anymore anyway, but you only need the client to datamine. You don't need to be able to log-in.

    Yeah, and they cannot force me to sign an NDA. It is my choice to do that. You need to know what you are talking about.

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  4. 3 minutes ago, sinisteran said:

    Like I stated before you did not directly cause the exploits to happen. But can you say with 100 percent confidence and prove that your mines had no relation to umbra and primed streamline in its entirety. Not even a small mention or anything. 

    Still, it isn't my fault that information I published was used in a malicious manner. Just like when you said:

    "2. He did not do it personally. But if what he did was still within the chain of causation he is also (not solely) responsible. Also your example is not a good one. Lets take Tesla. Their code was mined leading to a 3rd party to hack it and kill people with it. It is not Tesla's legal liability. It is impossible to make something without fault, especially programs,

    Just like it isn't Tesla's legal liability, it isn't my liability if people misuse the information I provide. I only provided the information for informational purposes, something I have said many times in the past.

    "He heard that it happened after the fact is not a valid defence. HE DID NOT HACK UMBRA OF PRIMED STREAMLINED PERSONALLY- WE KNOW!

    But his datamine prior to the incident allowed others to exploit the game, and hack it. So yes he is technically responsible."

    My datamines did not allow anyone to exploit the game. They did not provide source code or  methods into manipulating Digital Extremes software or functionality in their game. So no, my datamines did not allow anyone to exploit the game and hack it. I am not responsible for this...

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  5. 5 minutes ago, sinisteran said:

    Yes I agree 100 percent.

    But The title is true. They didn't do anything wrong. What did they do wrong? Its their game in the end of the day. I admit before the mines the drop rates were abysmal but that was 2013 when the game was first out and this was their first rodeo. 

    DE needs to learn to make things transparent enough so we arent forced to mine things. The web pages is a good start. Also data mining isnt illegal if you are under fair use they aren't banning people from doing that. Void glitch posted everything including art and scripts. That was the main issue.

    DE also needs to stop being pushed around while the community directors just tanks everything. Meg and Reb don't have law degrees. Dont expect what they say to be crafted in perfection. Picking their words apart for our advantage. If reb didn't simplify what the legal team said to the best of her ability and just posted whatever the lawyers said about 1 percent of the community would get it.


    Actually, the main issue was in regard to the Excalibur Prime and Primed Streamline scandals - two events that I was not involved in - yet I am being targeted for. I would recommend reading @(PS4)decogold's comment.

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  6. 16 minutes ago, NightmareT12 said:

    Again, missing my point. You ignored the whole previous conversation and assume I have no freaking idea.

    But whatever. As I said I don't care. This all would have been avoided by being a bit smart.

    Yeah, you don't seem to have any idea regarding what you are talking about. You seem to just be trying to pick fights with individuals over this. And like others have said, in and out of these Warframe Forums, I am already stressed enough because Digital Extremes still have not showed that they want to actually work with their community and I am deeply disappointed that Digital Extremes are still basically targeting me for something I was not involved in. If that is not messed up, I don't know what is.

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  7. 6 hours ago, NightmareT12 said:

    @(PS4)VoiD_Glitch if you want a personal advice: Be a bit more picky with what you share (it's one thing to show the RNG chances, another one to rip a Prime model, another one to rip a new character from a quest and another one to leak a script, even if it's added beforehand :P), and if you have a suspicion of what and how that Umbra/Streamline stuff happened, be smart and make sure that doesn't happen again by either, pointing at the flaw or not sharing it. Again, I know you yourself have not done anything with bad intentions, nor are directly responsible of that, but are you sure, 100%, that you undirectly have not contributed somehow to it? That's where I want to go.

    So I'm not going to be pointing fingers really here. DE did the right thing, VoiD was doing the right thing (although maybe not carefully enough) and hopefully this situation serves for something useful for once.

    My only goal was to upload any information that I could retrieve in a readable and useful format. It was an effort to assist the community. That was my highest priority. All Digital Extremes had to do was ask me to take something down (it seems like they specifically wanted Languages.bin down), prior to a legal letter, and it could have been as simple as that. I do not appreciate being the involved in a legal matter that should not even involve me in the first place.

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  8. 52 minutes ago, Tesseract7777 said:

    I get what you are saying: void_glitch certainly took it that way, and that's understandable. Like I said, it would have been preferrable for Rebecca or someone to reach out to him and at least give him a chance to cooperate, before they sent anything from legal. But, and this may just be my desire to try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt in terms of their intentions, but I think not sending him a full C&D yet was them trying to be nice about it and not come down too hard on him. 

    Now, I know you are going to say "they still did come down too hard on him", and I'm not saying I disagree with that. But I think, in their way, they were trying to be nice. I mean, vision is 20/20 in hindsight, and I think the devs might have handled this matter further if they could have known how it would go down, but I don't think they were trying to "go nuclear", at least not yet. 

    I mean, think of it this way. The chief dataminer is still allowed to post on these forums (he posted earlier in this thread) and Rebeccca had a conversation with him through private message on Reddit (although I have no idea what was said between them obv). My point is, if they were being totally nuclear and mean, I don't think they would even give void_glitch the time of day, or talk with him through pm's on reddit, or allow him to say on the forums how he feels he's been mistreated. They would just have legal tell him to shut up, and then ban and ignore him. They didn't do any of that. Instead, they are trying to find a solution that works for everyone. 

    I agree this could have been handled better, but at this point, after the initial mistakes they made in dealing with it, I think they are doing the best they can, and I don't think they are trying to be mean or go nuclear, even if it understandably appears that way. 

    All I was told was to refer to what the lawyers told me and to discuss the matter with them. Doesn't really help me solve the situation when the lawyers most likely don't know what Warframe is...

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  9. I would like the shuffle to happen, but since PC will always be getting new stuff (that we want) every visit, many of us won't want to change.

    If Baro however was always guaranteed to bring at least one new weapon, mod and cosmetic item aswell as previous items then this would resolve the issue, but as of now people don't want to risk getting 3 useless mods when we could've got the Prisma Dual Cleavers.

    Yeah, after we get Prisma Dual Cleavers, I'm completely fine with new items (well maybe, Prisma Shade too)

  10. [DE]Megan, 


    I hope you find the time to read the responses you are receiving on this thread. 


    Simply put:


    "Wrong timing. Wait until next week to actually implement this idea."


    It is because we have two sets to complete, and a Prisma Skana to grab. I know it is confirmed we will be getting the Prisma Skana, but can it be confirmed for this week? It would really make a lot of us expecting the Excalibur Rework happy.

  11. Digital Extremes, or particularly [DE]Megan,


    If you still don't understand the basis of our argument, it is because as you know, Excalibur works very well with Prisma Skana, some people just wanted it because they liked it and because some people are trying to finish their armor set.


    Personally, I want it because Prisma Skana works well with Excalibur, as I've seen. And in general, it is a good weapon. Using common sense, you should move this "change" into the batch AFTER next week. Why would we want a change to our future items and why would you do that if you know those items have been highly anticipated for two months? You should even realize when you are making the last parts of an armor set more randomised than the other parts. It makes absolutely no sense.


    Please, try to understand the frustration that we are going through. At least do this change the week after next week. Thanks.

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