CBAROG Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Well clearly when there are majority of the people defending them and over-hyping things, DE won't learn. There are hardly any post about Vay Hek keys being too grindy. It reminds me of Cicero event. Goddamn plants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arche Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 I'm not even going to try to farm keys for the key to Hek. And after hours of farming still no stance. That's beyond ridiculous. As many people stated, locking almost all fun of the update behind RNG is really really fu**ed up decision. I hardly even use my melee after U13. It reminds me of Cicero event. Goddamn plants. Those plants '-' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aa3123 Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 (edited) Diablo 3 Reaper of souls. Increased legendary drop rates. If you don't get a legendary in a few hours, the game now has safefail to up the rate till you get one. Oh look a suggestion that people have always made in warframe. No cap on paragon levels. All the time you put into the game powers you up. Actually rewarding you for spending time. Warframe Update 13. Stance mods. RNG + Grind! Vay Hek key parts + new frame. Even more RNG + Grind! Lex prime. Thrown into endless defense and survival, the two most obnoxious grind modes that are designed to waste your time with rigged rewards. Rigged Number Generator + GRIND GRIND GRIND! GRIND = FUN Designed to waste your time on purpose. TESTING if removing credit and resource from void is a good idea after months? I can tell you the right answer before you even try. Warframe keeps getting new content in the form of the same old grind. Same dissappointment. Yup. I'll be playing D3 with my time. Not sure if I'll even come back. Oh and if you think I would spend $ to skip that grind, you are mistaken because I have no interest to use that gear to GRIND even more things. Edited April 10, 2014 by aa3123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoig Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 see, I would have no problem if some stances were rare, as in stance 1 is a common, easy to get drop, and stance 2 is a rare drop. instead, we get all stances as rare drops, sometimes on BOSSES. what the hell guys, i cant keep telling people this is a good game when you do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arche Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 (edited) Diablo 3 Reaper of souls. Increased legendary drop rates. If you don't get a legendary in a few hours, the game now has safefail to up the rate till you get one. Oh look a suggestion that people have always made in warframe. Actually rewarding you for spending time. Warframe Update 13. Stance mods. RNG + Grind! Vay Hek key parts + new frame. Even more RNG + Grind! Lex prime. Thrown into endless defense and survival, the two most obnoxious grind modes that are designed to waste your time with rigged rewards. Rigged Number Generator + GRIND GRIND GRIND! GRIND = FUN Designed to waste your time on purpose. TESTING if removing credit and resource from void is a good idea after months? I can tell you the right answer before you even try. Warframe keeps getting new content in the form of the same old grind. Same dissappointment. Yup. I'll be playing D3 with my time. Not sure if I'll even come back. Oh and if you think I would spend $ to skip that grind, you are mistaken because I have no interest to use that gear to GRIND even more things. You sire, just made my day. On the serious side, totally agree with what you said. Edited April 10, 2014 by arche Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scintilus Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 It is a good game but RNG definitely not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azour Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Im used to this,i was expecting this update to be dissapointing but this huge grind wall that DE just shoved up our tenno parts is disgusting What are they thinking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EversorMetus Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 The most stupid thing in this update is the stances. Yeah okay E spam is the default combo. But for F***'s sake give us a "advanced basic" combo or "second basic" combo or something i dont know what words to use. It's good for newbies and certainly good for veterans. At least SOMETHING different (i'm even fine with that combo being mediocre) that i can immediately use. Ya know, DE, a piece of the carrot? Or the printed image of a piece of the carrot? I'm facepalming so hard right now that i have to grind for god knows many hours to get that freaking RARE stance mod for 1 single type of weapon. Vay Hek. OH LORD VAY HEK. IT IS REALLY NOT THAT EASY. So long my friend... I will never see you again... Many of my brothers and sisters will beat the living hek out of you but not me... I just can't... And then comes the Dragon katana thingy and other stuff. Oh my god... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xelorx Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 It's best to come back after the adjustments if you can't handle the RNG. Enough people are complaining about it, so something will be done, for better or for worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arche Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 It's best to come back after the adjustments if you can't handle the RNG. Enough people are complaining about it, so something will be done, for better or for worse. While that is true, I still don't understand why DE just keep making the same mistakes over and over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azour Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 While that is true, I still don't understand why DE just keep making the same mistakes over and over again. Im starting to think...no im sure of it that they are not making mistakes They are doing this on purpose NI dont care how much nice and listening they look in devstreams or in the forums i dont buy it anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xelorx Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 (edited) While that is true, I still don't understand why DE just keep making the same mistakes over and over again. I always feel the fact that this is F2P contributes to why they do the things they do. We've seen more RNG elements being added in every major update. Why? Well, if it wasn't a F2P game and was purely B2P with little to no microtransactions, do you think that, while RNG would still exist, it wouldn't be this tempting to just go out and buy the freaking thing? They seem to do this ON PURPOSE in the beginning, so they get all the impatient people's money, then eventually adjust it. I mean look at the Void if you've been here long enough. Farming for keys was possible back then, but really, really difficult. Now you are GUARANTEED a key to the void if you survive ANY 15 minute survival. That's a HUGE change. Imagine if they started out like that. Better impressions of the devs, less money (at least from all the impatient people) most likely. Edited April 10, 2014 by Xelorx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arche Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 I always feel the fact that this is F2P contributes to why they do the things they do. We've seen more RNG elements being added in every major update. Why? Well, if it wasn't a F2P game and was purely B2P with little to no microtransactions, do you think that, while RNG would still exist, it wouldn't be this tempting to just go out and buy the freaking thing? They seem to do this ON PURPOSE in the beginning, so they get all the impatient people's money, then eventually adjust it. I mean look at the Void if you've been here long enough. Farming for keys was possible back then, but really, really difficult. Now you are GUARANTEED a key to the void if you survive ANY 15 minute survival. That's a HUGE change. Imagine if they started out like that. Better impressions of the devs, less money (at least from all the impatient people) most likely. Of course they need to earn the money. But they are doing it the wrong way. They are losing more and more players with each update, although the majority stays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparrohawk Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Of course they need to earn the money. But they are doing it the wrong way. They are losing more and more players with each update, although the majority stays. How do you know they're losing players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xelorx Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 (edited) Of course they need to earn the money. But they are doing it the wrong way. They are losing more and more players with each update, although the majority stays. First of all, I know this is the wrong way of going about it. I wasn't suggesting it was right, whatever you were implying, if anything. And second, the only "evidence" you see of people leaving is people SAYING they are leaving. You don't have statistics to show. You only have your friends, clan mates, and you to go on, which is arguably small in comparison to close to 8 mil accounts. Edited April 10, 2014 by Xelorx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arche Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 How do you know they're losing players? Read a few comments up. My friend just donated everything to his dojo and quit because of U13 Diablo 3 Reaper of souls. Increased legendary drop rates. If you don't get a legendary in a few hours, the game now has safefail to up the rate till you get one. Oh look a suggestion that people have always made in warframe. Actually rewarding you for spending time. Warframe Update 13. Stance mods. RNG + Grind! Vay Hek key parts + new frame. Even more RNG + Grind! Lex prime. Thrown into endless defense and survival, the two most obnoxious grind modes that are designed to waste your time with rigged rewards. Rigged Number Generator + GRIND GRIND GRIND! GRIND = FUN Designed to waste your time on purpose. TESTING if removing credit and resource from void is a good idea after months? I can tell you the right answer before you even try. Warframe keeps getting new content in the form of the same old grind. Same dissappointment. Yup. I'll be playing D3 with my time. Not sure if I'll even come back. Oh and if you think I would spend $ to skip that grind, you are mistaken because I have no interest to use that gear to GRIND even more things. Here is one example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBAROG Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 (edited) Well, they are losing some. Me, for example. I expected a lot of fun with Melee 2.0 but... The DE trolled me hard. So, they will not see any money from me anymore. And I am not alone in this matter.And with the incredible wall for new players, only the ones who don't care about their money and spend it on Warfarm or those who thinks that Free-to-play justifies all mistakes. Edited April 10, 2014 by CBAROG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparrohawk Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Read a few comments up. My friend just donated everything to his dojo and quit because of U13 Well, they are losing some. Me, for example. I expected a lot of fun with Melee 2.0 but... The DE trolled me hard. So, they will not see any money from me anymore. And I am not alone in this matter. Well, that's two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azour Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 I had 18 friends that i rellay know that were in my clan, They all left because of how boring the game becomes and how repetitive it is The forum is a good way to see that people are indeed leaving the game Its not enough to change DE's mind but they are losing players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparrohawk Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 I had 18 friends that i rellay know that were in my clan, They all left because of how boring the game becomes and how repetitive it is The forum is a good way to see that people are indeed leaving the game Its not enough to change DE's mind but they are losing players Okay, so that's. . . 20. And saying the same thing over and over again doesn't make it any more true :) Still, this is the bitter thread. If you want confirmation bias about a perceived state of the game, this'd be the place for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escantell Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 (edited) I despise the melee 2.0 system so far. I actually enjoyed the melee in the previous version, and for the past few days I've started to realize the true joys of using a glaive. But now, they bring in 2.0, kill the speed on my weapons, rendering them mostly useless to me, remove charge, one of the fun parts, and the glaive... Oh, my poor sweet baby. I loved that thing. I had max charge speed and max charge damage, and that thing was a blast to use. But now? Charging takes a year and a half, and is rendered utterly useless when it does finally get around to going anywhere, because the charge damage mods are now turned into channeling. Yes, glowing blue looks cool the first dozen times, but I want my charge mods back. This new system really sucks. Maybe the glaive stance will fix it, but it's lost somewhere deep in the RNG we all know and hate. What is wrong with you, DE? why are you so good at taking the few things I actually ENJOY about this game and pour it down the drain? My level of disgust has managed to reach new highs. Edited April 10, 2014 by Escantell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBAROG Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 (edited) Okay, so that's. . . 20. And saying the same thing over and over again doesn't make it any more true :) Of course it doesn't. That truth is already absolute. Yes, RIP my beloved Glaive... Have to wait for some tweaks in the system. Edited April 10, 2014 by CBAROG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arche Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 I despise the melee 2.0 system so far. I actually enjoyed the melee in the previous version, and for the past few days I've started to realize the true joys of using a glaive. but now, they bring in 2.0, kill the speed on my weapons, rendering them mostly useless to me, remove charge, one of the fun parts, and the glaive... oh, my poor sweet baby. I loved that thinig. I had max charge speed and max charge damage, and that thing was a blast to use. but now? charging takes a year and a half, and is rendered utterly useless when it does finally get around to going anywhere, because the charge damage mods are now turned into charge. yes, glowing blue looks cool the first dozen times, but I want my charge mods back. this new system really sucks. maybe the glaive stance will fix it, but it's lost somewhere deep in the RNG we all know and hate. what is wrong with you, DE? why are you so good at taking the few things i actually ENJOY about this game and pour it down the drain? my level of disgust has managed to reach new highs. I can't say it any better. Glaive is just nothing but a pointless accessory now. And look at Galatine, tried it, hit ESC and clicked on quit game after killing first enemy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xelorx Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 (edited) Of course it doesn't. That truth is already absolute. What truth? How many people leaving? I can agree that people DO leave the game on a daily basis (at most, weekly) and especially during major updates, but that doesn't mean they won't be back, despite what childish statement they may say. I'm mad at this update too, but knowing DE's pattern, they'll adjust it. People always over-react, heck I do too. I'm also mad at DE's inability to improve from previous mistakes. I have no idea why they needed so much time on this new melee system other than for new animations. I have absolutely no idea what's going on over there. All I do know, is that you do NOT know how many people will ACTUALLY leave the game. Edited April 10, 2014 by Xelorx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)azurdragon Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 For once I am so happy to be PS4 $&*&*#(%& on an update... [bracing for impact] LMAO ... I don't even bother with events due to their grindy nature... if U13 is even half as bad as you lads portray it to be, I still have a few days of Warframe to play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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