What's Your View On Trinity As She Stands At The Moment

[MoyuTheTrinity]

Sorry, but I actually know how to play Trinity. My skill priority and playstyle between solo and teamplay are different.

What you want is to effectively nerf Trinity by making her team-dependent *and* requiring her teammates to slow down for her. A few PUG runs will teach you that that is not gonna fly.

As for Link, a dead healer is a useless healer.

Dude you dont listen and you make no sence

Why would someone playing a support frame solo because their skill let them solo well then that measn the skills arnt programed right then doesnt it

DE has already responded that she is far to slow to be support right now so that "PUG" excuse isnt going to "FLY"

She will be a healer/support wich means she will requier a team wether you like it or not thats what support and healers do you are a minority

It is sorta like what if volt's description said his main focus was to support people who pick volt to support their team would be complaining that he has no support moves

Trinity is not a dps is not a soloer she has a job that job is on a team she does not fill that job as of yet she will in the future its all in the works you will be sad I will be happy and there is pretty much niothignyou can do about it other then play a diffrent frame >w>

[Hero1nZero]

it says in her description that she is a healer

ORLY? https://warframe.com...rframes/trinity

Ok maybe she is a 'healer', but not 'mmrpg-styled boring healer/buffer', in this game there is no place for such a thing.

DE says in their live stream she needs to be completly retaoght out and that she is the onyl warframe with a job to fill

They said that they re maybe gonna change her abilities to work better on weaker enemies, but no promises. They also said that they maybe can rework her but even then I don't think they re gonna make her mmorpg-styled healer like you wish, maybe direct self/target heal ability instead of well of life or something like this, but not boring buffs like doubled armor for X seconds.

Again, this game is not mmorpg and even if some frames suits some roles better it doesn't mean that they need to have typical mmorpg abilities. Rhino ('tank') doesn't have 'agro' ability like tanks from every mmorpg have, Ash ('dd?') doesn't have melee/gun damage buff ability, etc. And who is Frost then? Tank+DD in one person? Keep hoping that they re gonna rework her to stereotypical healer, I think this is not gonna happen.

[MoyuTheTrinity]

Sorry, but I actually know how to play Trinity.

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I have played Trinity since my 5th day....

I have done the best I could to support my friends, but in the end the best thing you can do for them as Trinity is to fight since your skills do not help them at all other then at bosses. You only need Blessing if your team sucks and cant handle reguler missions you only bless to top people off who only got hurt a little 50 hp tops or got to close to poison. The one time I need blessing is when my friend yells "shield down" I go to cast it and they die in 1 hit from a boss because it takes to long to cast. You are not support you are a fighter right now blessing cant save anyone unless you can see the future and can activate the 5 second sping up early enough for the invincibility to save them before their shields ever get hit.

ORLY? https://warframe.com...rframes/trinity

Ok maybe she is a 'healer', but not 'mmrpg-styled boring healer/buffer', in this game there is no place for such a thing.

They said that they re maybe gonna change her abilities to work better on weaker enemies, but no promises. They also said that they maybe can rework her but even then I don't think they re gonna make her mmorpg-styled healer like you wish, maybe direct self/target heal ability instead of well of life or something like this, but not boring buffs like doubled armor for X seconds.

Again, this game is not mmorpg and even if some frames suits some roles better it doesn't mean that they need to have typical mmorpg abilities. Rhino ('tank') doesn't have 'agro' ability like tanks from every mmorpg have, Ash ('dd?') doesn't have melee/gun damage buff ability, etc. And who is Frost then? Tank+DD in one person? Keep hoping that they re gonna rework her to stereotypical healer, I think this is not gonna happen.

You know rhino would benifit more from an agro ability then a usless charge attack that knocks people over isntead of killing them

MMORPG nonsence can fix a few of the frame's usless abilitys you are stuck in a mindset of NO THIS GAME IS A SHOOTER

its an mmo with classes that happens to have guns and swords

rhino is a tank

trinity is a healer

they would benifit from more traditional things then outlandish usless skills that have nothing to do with the playstyle they need to fit their nitch

a healer does not need to be solo invincible

a rhino does not need people floating in the air

what woudl be nice is to make 1 team mate + yourself invincible aslogn as you stayed together thats real support

for 100 energy rhino would really benefit from an agro ability to go with that invincibility he has you know the one thats wasted because he cant get anyones attention to help his team? so it wears off before he can be usefull yeah that one man that woudl be nice

Edited March 2, 2013 by MoyuTheMedic

[UnderYourBed]

She fills the role of a healer just fine. WoF lets her heal teammates when it matters and Blessing let's her salvage the situation when S#&$ hits the fan. EV let's the team stay topped up and Link let's her stay alive so she actually do her job. Just because she doesn't play like other games' healer doesn't mean she can't do the job properly. Many like her flexibility.

Sorry to hear you still haven't gotten her quirks down even after a hundred hours of playing her. Must be tough.

Edited March 2, 2013 by nununu

[MoyuTheTrinity]

She fills the role of a healer just fine. WoF lets her heal teammates when it matters and Blessing let's her salvage the situation when S#&$ hits the fan. EV let's the team stay topped up and Link let's her stay alive so she actually do her job. Just because she doesn't play like other games' healer doesn't mean she can't do the job properly.

Blessing does not activate fast enough to save anyone EVERYONE knows this and complains about it

Well of Life is a wast of 25 energy and alot of people know that back when it allowed peopleto resurrect it was viable but since it was nerfed its now usless

Energy vampire is the only skill that a team can benefit from and your better off using it with link so you can stay invincible and shoot at everything because if everything is dead your team does not need healing or energy.

Another thing you can ressurect people for full shield and health for free you save 25 energy if you just link :/ and ressurect them

Edited March 2, 2013 by MoyuTheMedic

[Hero1nZero]

You know rhino would benifit more from an agro ability then a usless charge attack that knocks people over isntead of killing them

MMORPG nonsence can fix a few of the frame's usless abilitys you are stuck in a mindset of NO THIS GAME IS A SHOOTER

its an mmo with classes that happens to have guns and swords

rhino is a tank

trinity is a healer

they would benifit from more traditional things then outlandish usless skills that have nothing to do with the playstyle they need to fit their nitch

a healer does not need to be solo invincible

a rhino does not need people floating in the air

what woudl be nice is to make 1 team mate + yourself invincible aslogn as you stayed together thats real support

for 100 energy rhino would really benefit from an agro ability to go with that invincibility he has you know the one thats wasted because he cant get anyones attention to help his team? so it wears off before he can be usefull yeah that one man that woudl be nice

Instead of replacing underpowered abilities with generic mmorpg styled abilities they can just buff them and make them viable.

This game is mmotps, not mmorpg, so you can be Rhino with sniper rifle or Loki with machinegun and still be effective.

And this is one of reasons why I like this game, I'm already tired of all this generic mmorpg crap.

Edited March 2, 2013 by Hero1nZero

[MoyuTheTrinity]

Instead of replacing underpowered abilities with generic mmorpg styled abilities they can just buff them and make them viable.

This game is mmotps, not mmorpg, so you can be Rhino with sniper rifle or Loki with machinegun and still be effective.

And this is one of reasons why I like this game, I'm already tired of all this generic mmorpg crap.

That sir is where you are wrong :D

This is a rpg aswell

DE wants to make story based missions wich means you are roleplaying as the teno thru a story just like in other online games where they have Story Quests warframe is geting them to

RPG does not mean weapon locked classes

Just look at Mabinogi you can use any weapon regardless of what Talent you pick and its still an RPG

Its also not a case of underpowered skills Its a case of THE WRONG SKILLS FOR THE WRONG FRAME o-o I swear you do not listen at all

I sit here and complain how trinity and rhino could use diffrent skills that suit their Ideas and Jobs they are based around since their current ones do not fit and you are like JUST BUFF THE SKILLS THAT DONT FIT IT WILL FIT EVENTUALY! o-o

Its like a round peg into a square hole sure it fits but look at thos gaps

Edited March 2, 2013 by MoyuTheMedic

[K1LLSW1TCH]

Whats wrong with trinity? why u guys asking for nerf lol.. if u say she is boss killer u guys are so wrong, even with energy vampire, she cant recover the amount of energy used by link which is 75 while using energy vampire only restores 25 energy for herself. so in order for her to get back her energy she at least needs to use 2-3 times energy vampire on the boss so she can use the link again. and in boss fight where theres no other mobs around its hard to find the energy orb so i dont get what u guys trying to argue here. what i can say is u guys should try play trinity 1st before u guys asking for nerf or whatever because i love the way trinity now is. not so supportive? true, her well of life should be change into probably DoT heals and her ultimate heal skill 4 should be more fast with the animation casting.

[MoyuTheTrinity]

Whats wrong with trinity? why u guys asking for nerf lol.. if u say she is boss killer u guys are so wrong, even with energy vampire, she cant recover the amount of energy used by link which is 75 while using energy vampire only restores 25 energy for herself. so in order for her to get back her energy she at least needs to use 2-3 times energy vampire on the boss so she can use the link again. and in boss fight where theres no other mobs around its hard to find the energy orb so i dont get what u guys trying to argue here. what i can say is u guys should try play trinity 1st before u guys asking for nerf or whatever because i love the way trinity now is. not so supportive? true, her well of life should be change into probably DoT heals and her ultimate heal skill 4 should be more fast with the animation casting.

Lol use a harder hitting gun like a sniper or the Lex and get that headshot instant 75-100 energy at level 3

It has a cap of how much energy you can get but if you use a gun that hits way harder then the energy cap it seems to give more or something But using the Lex I recive way more energy then my boltor

Edited March 2, 2013 by MoyuTheMedic

[Hero1nZero]

Moyu, youre said rhino charge is useless, it knocks people back instead of killing them, it sounds exactly in the way like you thinking its underpowered, and why the hell you think his abilities not suits him? He is RHINO, he STOMPS, he CHARGES, and not attracts enemy attention with illogical 'agro' ability. P.S. Sorry for lack of quoting & formating, currently writing from phone.

[Katakuna]

Whats wrong with trinity? why u guys asking for nerf lol.. if u say she is boss killer u guys are so wrong, even with energy vampire, she cant recover the amount of energy used by link which is 75 while using energy vampire only restores 25 energy for herself. so in order for her to get back her energy she at least needs to use 2-3 times energy vampire on the boss so she can use the link again. and in boss fight where theres no other mobs around its hard to find the energy orb so i dont get what u guys trying to argue here. what i can say is u guys should try play trinity 1st before u guys asking for nerf or whatever because i love the way trinity now is. not so supportive? true, her well of life should be change into probably DoT heals and her ultimate heal skill 4 should be more fast with the animation casting.

What are power strength mods.

[Strat]

She's a completely indestructable boss-slayer that can make any mission a cakewalk.

She's also my main and I love her.

Pretty much sums it up.

[MoyuTheTrinity]

Rhino stomp could be more helpfull charge should do blunt damage and bypass armor.

Stomp could be the agro move it could stay just like it is but add instant agro afterwards where you get everyones attention BAM now it flows.

The way I suggested Trinity's movesets was to make them flow together and make sence. Why does a healing frame latch onto an opponent making you invincible. Why do the skills latch onto opponents that then magicly you absorb energy from nowhere when you shoot. WHY WHY WHYYYYYY!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSNeL0QYfqo (refrence)

Like i was saying

25 energy Possibly some kind of shuriken or throwing needle that heals hp on a direct hit leaving a cloud of healing on impact like embers fireball

50 slam an Energy well sorta like Embers 3rd that everyone inside recovers energy at a much faster rate but it does not last as long as her current 50

75 Some kind of Buff that makes everyone else impervius maybe more armor or maybe even flinch resistence I would say more armor... or even flat damage reduction like a boss monster

100 Link to the closest team mate both of you become invincible and cant be knocked down for the durration

there are plenty of other ways her skills can be reimagend to do much cooler MUCH more usefull things that actualy belong in this game's current run and gun

[K1LLSW1TCH]

What are power strength mods.

is strength mod does anything? lol i have one and use it and i dont see difference in the value rising when hit. and about the how hard the target is hit, the energy vampire has a set limit of how many energy u can obtain. for lvl 3 u can get 50 energy whether u hit hard or cumulitatively, u can see the bar stops raising when the limit is reached.

[UnderYourBed]

You can go over the cap if you hit hard enough.

[MoyuTheTrinity]

You can go over the cap if you hit hard enough.

He is right any good Trinity would use a Lex :3 even if they arnt using the frame to its full advantage Lex and or the snipetron especialy after the most recent update snipetron takes full advantage of energy vampire

[Katakuna]

is strength mod does anything? lol i have one and use it and i dont see difference in the value rising when hit. and about the how hard the target is hit, the energy vampire has a set limit of how many energy u can obtain. for lvl 3 u can get 50 energy whether u hit hard or cumulitatively, u can see the bar stops raising when the limit is reached.

Yes, they do work.

I have a total of about 70% power strength on my Trinity, and I can fill my energy up from 150 to 299 with a couple charges of my Gram; and don't even get me started on adding in power effeciency mods.

[MoyuTheTrinity]

Yes, they do work.

I have a total of about 70% power strength on my Trinity, and I can fill my energy up from 150 to 299 with a couple charges of my Gram; and don't even get me started on adding in power effeciency mods.

Yes, they do work.

I have a total of about 70% power strength on my Trinity, and I can fill my energy up from 150 to 299 with a couple charges of my Gram; and don't even get me started on adding in power effeciency mods.

When I see this all I can think is "thats alot of invincibility" not "thats alot of support for my team"

From what I can see the only people who don't want her to be the support are the only ones against me.

Firefall biotech syndrom

only people against the medic where the people who didnt wana play medic cuz it wasnt an offencive class :/

bye bye trinity hello drain frame... probably if the people who want trinity to be a healer dont speak up the people who want her to be just another offencive frame will win just like in firefall

So many people left when Medic was tossed out the window I wonder how many potential people will leave if the dedicated heal/support frame Is permenetnly directed to Offencive support wich you can do with guns..... you dont need skills to support your team offencivly you dont need to be invincible to support the team offencivly

you and 1 other person invincible for 100 energy is honestly more support then just you invincible and hurting a badguy for 75

The people in this thread today don't want a healer they want an unstopible tank but thats what rhino is for

I would love to see rhino and trinity working together to be unstopible not jsut a one man army that trinity is already

Edited March 2, 2013 by MoyuTheMedic

[MoyuTheTrinity]

DEsteve DErebeca please give the people who want to support hope that we wont just be another offencive warframe she is the only one who is ment to heal

healing is a rarity remember its ment to be special not everyone wants to play healer but the people who DO wana play healer want to be handy and squad support not just another gun not just to let people spam there skills but to save peoples lives when it matters with our specialty skills noone else has

There is a Job to be done and no one else can do it better then the Trinity so lets give her some skills worthy of that important job that needs to be done.

[Katakuna]

When I see this all I can think is "thats alot of invincibility" not "thats alot of support for my team"

~snippy snip~

The people in this thread today don't want a healer they want an unstopible tank but thats what rhino is for

I would love to see rhino and trinity working together to be unstopible not jsut a one man army that trinity is already

Don't misunderstand, I too want Trinity to be the support I spent days farming Everest for. Healer/support is what I normally play in games like this (I had two max level medics in Global Agenda, for example). Currently, the way Trinity is meant to be played is the unkillable boss-slayer, due to how her skills work. That's just how it is.

However, that's probably not how a person who likes playing the traditional healer/support prefers to play. People who want to play as a tank can play as Rhino, sure, but Trinity is a far better tank than he is. Where does that leave us support specialists? We can try to make the best of what we've got, but we're playing at a disadvantage.

Thusly, that is why I await with great anticipation, how DE plans to make our Trinity the support frame she was intended to be. In the meanwhile, I will play her in the most effective way possible, an indestructable boss-slayer.

[MoyuTheTrinity]

Don't misunderstand, I too want Trinity to be the support I spent days farming Everest for. Healer/support is what I normally play in games like this (I had two max level medics in Global Agenda, for example). Currently, the way Trinity is meant to be played is the unkillable boss-slayer, due to how her skills work. That's just how it is.

However, that's probably not how a person who likes playing the traditional healer/support prefers to play. People who want to play as a tank can play as Rhino, sure, but Trinity is a far better tank than he is. Where does that leave us support specialists? We can try to make the best of what we've got, but we're playing at a disadvantage.

Thusly, that is why I await with great anticipation, how DE plans to make our Trinity the support frame she was intended to be. In the meanwhile, I will play her in the most effective way possible, an indestructable boss-slayer.

You think alot like me then

but, I was honestly talking about everyone else before you how they where shooting down my ideas because they where to traditional they concidered them nerfs. =/

I would love to have some skill based throwing needles that even if you miss the direct heal it produces a HoT

Like if you stick it to them they get HoT that goes with them Waaay better then WoL

I would not make it 25 energy tho maybe 20 15 ish since it is a skill heal crap make it 10 lol I would love to heal people with this instead of blessing or WoL spammable heals way cooler then spamable 4ths or slash dash

Like i was saying

25/10? energy Possibly some kind of shuriken or throwing needle that heals hp on a direct hit leaving a cloud of healing on impact like embers fireball

50 slam an Energy well sorta like Embers 3rd that everyone inside recovers energy at a much faster rate but it does not last as long as her current 50

75 Some kind of Buff that makes everyone else impervius maybe more armor or maybe even flinch resistence I would say more armor... or even flat damage reduction like a boss monster

100 Link to the closest team mate both of you become invincible and cant be knocked down for the durration

got a melee buddy who keeps runnning around and missing your needles? tag the boss and still get him thos important heals

Sorta like WoL but you dont need a freaken enamy to use it

Edited March 2, 2013 by MoyuTheMedic

[tactical_surgeon]

( removed suggestion - ) why? I realize I don't want trinity to end up with a skill that forces teammates to stop moving in order to be healed - its good the way blessing works -

also she should have "team buffs" taht not only buff herself but the team as a whole - such as increased armor or the likes

-One thing to consider - There is no PvP and this is a PvE game so honnestly its not that big of a deal that she is not worked to be what she was designated to be (support frame) or has a techical advantage over other frames -

Edited March 2, 2013 by tactical_surgeon

[Sunao_M]

I built a Trinity frame, played it long enough to understand the abilities and subsequently changed warframes. I don't like any of the skills except the 4th. The 4th being the only one that seemed like an actual support skill. The 4th being the only skill I would end up using. I want to play a support class, not an unstoppable solo tank. With how fast groups clear mobs, Well and Energy Vampire are almost useless. Things usually die an instant after I manage to land a cast on something aside from a boss.

I loved playing a medic in Global Agenda, and I loved playing a medic in Firefall(until the change.) I loved playing a White Mage in FFXI(the least action orientated game/class) ever. I'm ok with not shooting enemies, or with not having any damaging abilities. Just let me play the healer that I am good at.

[tactical_surgeon]

I built a Trinity frame, played it long enough to understand the abilities and subsequently changed warframes. I don't like any of the skills except the 4th. The 4th being the only one that seemed like an actual support skill. The 4th being the only skill I would end up using. I want to play a support class, not an unstoppable solo tank. With how fast groups clear mobs, Well and Energy Vampire are almost useless. Things usually die an instant after I manage to land a cast on something aside from a boss.

I loved playing a medic in Global Agenda, and I loved playing a medic in Firefall(until the change.) I loved playing a White Mage in FFXI(the least action orientated game/class) ever. I'm ok with not shooting enemies, or with not having any damaging abilities. Just let me play the healer that I am good at.

Fair enough - to be honnest you really never get a chance to heal anyone when in a group of 4 so...

really, trinity is only there as a back up if S#&$ hits the fan and the team needs health stat

[Sunao_M]

Fair enough - to be honnest you really never get a chance to heal anyone when in a group of 4 so...

really, trinity is only there as a back up if S#&$ hits the fan and the team needs health stat

True, seeing as most people I play with stack shields instead of health, I end up with not much to do.