EvilMind Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 I've got a possible lead on what's causing a common crash. I've been experiencing frequent hard crashes for the past month. There are plenty of threads here that all seem to be describing the same issue. I can now reproduce this crash (or at least _a_ crash) at will by uninstalling audio drivers. Hopefully DE will find this helpful. Here are the steps to reproduce: 1) REMOVE ALL AUDIO DRIVERS 2) Load Warframe 3) Pick a planet 4) Change your LFG status (Online, Private, Invite, Solo) 5) -Crash- ==OR== 4) Pick a mission 5) -Crash- (Occurs after zoom in, before diorama loads) ==OR== 3) Click the Options menu 4) -Crash- ==OR== 3) Enter the codex 4) Click an item to display additional information 5) -Crash- The following do NOT crash Warframe when used without audio drivers: -Arsenal (any part) -Inbox -Foundry -Market -Changing LFG status while the full solar system is displayed -Picking an event mission for Alad where it displays the battlepay. (Accepting = crash) From comments made by others the problem seems to span both Nvida and ATI graphics cards and both 32 and 64 bit OSes. I'm using a AMD/ATI Radeon HD 5670 video card and running Realtek Audio drivers that are part of the 13-4_xp32_dd_ccc_whql.exe install. I generate no crash logs because my computer is frozen and I have to reboot. BUT... Are we all using Realtek Audio drivers? Links to similar threads and musings: It kept psyching me out between an audio or video problem. There never seemed to be anything interesting on the screen when one of these crashes occured. But they often occured with a new sound- like a door opening or someone firing their secondary when they'd been using a primary, etc. Removing audio drivers should not cause critical crashes. It's just audio. I assumed that Warframe would simply run with no audio at all. Many play with the sound off so we can do other things. I noticed the audio options allows you to pick a specific device or the default device but there is no option for NO audio device. "No device" should be an option if only to make troubleshooting easier. (My gut says something the audio is improperly interacting with the PhysX code. I'm no expert though and I'm just musing outloud.) Previous threads I've written about this issue: https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/124018-lots-of-hard-crashes/#entry1465661 https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/131568-crashes-are-back/#entry1580716 Threads by others that are describing something similar: https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/125117-pc-randomly-shuts-down/ https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/133508-end-process-frozen-crash/ https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/132704-game-momentarily-stops-responding-periodically/ https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/108040-evolution-engine-crashes/ (some- a lot of people posted here) https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/128287-survival-missions-keep-causing-me-to-crash/ https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/129805-multiplayer-crashing/ (maybe- I also experience it in solo play) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DForcelight Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Threads by others that are describing something similar: https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/133508-end-process-frozen-crash/ https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/132704-game-momentarily-stops-responding-periodically/ https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/128287-survival-missions-keep-causing-me-to-crash/ https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/129805-multiplayer-crashing/ (maybe- I also experience it in solo play) They happen to me too. Also AMD Graphics and Realtek Audio and I have the same issues. Also I got a "host mirgration" when playing solo...^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMind Posted November 21, 2013 Author Share Posted November 21, 2013 A host migration when playing solo was probably your internet going out for a few seconds. I wouldn't worry about that unless it was frequent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMind Posted November 23, 2013 Author Share Posted November 23, 2013 Update: Today I can now successfully alt-tab again. It's not quite right though. Alt-tabing away from Warframe is instant. Alt-Tabing to Warframe takes about 10seconds to switch over. It appears as though it's crashed but if I just wait it will load. Very odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirinketsu Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 If you could answer my question I might be able to help What is the size of your power supply What CPU do you have What Ram do you have, The size of each stick, and the hz What video card do you have .. the band who made it What is your screen resolution Also I am guessing you have updated all your drives .. or better yet uninstall and reinstalled everything also your BIOS And what it sounds like to me is your power supply is overloaded or your ram is bad "1600hx" ram has this problem alot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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