Smith0rz Posted June 6, 2013 Author Share Posted June 6, 2013 I I think loki is fine. Decoy is a short term aggro magnet. Invisibility for massive damage Switch tele for...whatever, but definitely not trolling ;) Radial disarm saved my &#! so much in T3 void. you haven't decoyed recently, otherwise what you would have written here was : Decoy is a short term aggro tape that's already been used, and not even duct tape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austinrelis Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 I you haven't decoyed recently, otherwise what you would have written here was : Decoy is a short term aggro tape that's already been used, and not even duct tape. I don't even know how to respond to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CloudPies Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 I don't even know how to respond to that.Issue is that decoy is drawing only around 25% of mobs or less. I assume this applies to infested too, which are close range that should have been all aggro'd if it was indeed a short term aggro magnet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filial-Devotion Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 yet vaub and trinity are still not nerfed and out there to be exploited for high waves poor loki, poor rhino, wonder whose next, of course its not going to be vaub nor trinity Trin and Vaub aren't OP, don't egg on DE to nerf more frames that don't need it...however Loki needs a really big BUFF because literally he deals no damage outside of melee, primary, and secondary weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excitonex Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 Issue is that decoy is drawing only around 25% of mobs or less. I assume this applies to infested too, which are close range that should have been all aggro'd if it was indeed a short term aggro magnet. So it's finally in line with Molt? OMG LOKI SUCKS NERF SARYN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holdenagincourt Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 I don't see any reason to jump to conclusions about Decoy. Rather than assume bad faith on the part of DE, report it as a bug and wait for word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixty5 Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 Tried it on Xini, it worked fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
escape123 Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 If there were no notes DE wanted this to happen, maybe its just a bug? And will get fixed in future patches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafilgar Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 Reminds me of maplestory. They nerf the old classes and then add in new completely overpowered ones, and the cycle just repeats itself. DE is heading down the wrong path here if they're trying to market this game like that. Also since loki's nerfed, you know they're gonna just "readjust" the values meaning they'll improve it but it won't ever be like what the skills were like before. Look at Rhino's Iron Skin. They tried to find a middle ground for the skill after nerfing it hard and it's still crap. There's gonna be a ton of QQs when they nerf vauban too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excitonex Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 (edited) Reminds me of maplestory. They nerf the old classes and then add in new completely overpowered ones, and the cycle just repeats itself. DE is heading down the wrong path here if they're trying to market this game like that. Also since loki's nerfed, you know they're gonna just "readjust" the values meaning they'll improve it but it won't ever be like what the skills were like before. Look at Rhino's Iron Skin. They tried to find a middle ground for the skill after nerfing it hard and it's still crap. There's gonna be a ton of QQs when they nerf vauban too I guess you've never played Saryn. Her Molt used to be like Loki's decoy in the aggro it pulled. It was nerfed a few patches ago when the timer was added. Now Loki's decoy and Saryn's Molt are in-line with each other again. I'm honestly not disappointed that they nerfed Loki considering how abusable decoy is against infested. Edited June 6, 2013 by Excitonex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafilgar Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 I guess you've never played Saryn. Her Molt used to be like Loki's decoy in the aggro it pulled. It was nerfed a few patches ago when the timer was added. Now Loki's decoy and Saryn's Molt are in-line with each other again. I'm honestly not disappointed that they nerfed Loki considering how abusable decoy is against infested. I have every warframe except vauban and banshee. I don't mind the nerf on molt because it's still situation-ally useful.The sole purpose of these skills were to draw aggro. If decoy can't even do that anymore then its obviously broken. And I don't know how it was "abusable" since it benefits your entire party by drawing the enemy away from the cryopod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferriwind Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 Loki's Invisibility is his strongest skill. Loki has no team play value besides his ult. His ult is subpar because most ranged enemies outside of high level defense are trash mobs. When enemies get skills/abilities that would actually threaten Tenno then his ult would be a little useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mabswer Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 (edited) I think you missed the part where he specifically mentioned the problem where Decoy no longer aggros a rather large chunk of mobs... In Xini chargers will just totally ignore it.... If Decoy can't aggro then wtf is the point of it exactly? "ooohh.. uuuhh.. Decoy doesn't aggro everything in the map.." "ooh.. uuuh.. Iron Skin Doesn't grant GOD MODE for 10 mins " -really? These where so unbalanced so its only a good thing that they are finaly being fixed. -Honestly, they should have been fixed prior OPEN BETA. -Next nerf Nyx Chaos some more, and maybe add longer charge up time on Absorb power too. Edited June 6, 2013 by Mabswer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenimon Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 I think you missed the part where he specifically mentioned the problem where Decoy no longer aggros a rather large chunk of mobs... In Xini chargers will just totally ignore it.... If Decoy can't aggro then wtf is the point of it exactly? The same thing is happening with molt as well, it doesn't draw in any attention at all when I need to recharge my shields or draw them away from the pod in defence missions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notso Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 loki is hard to use. yes! he is not newbie friendly... but still... decoy and invisibility can be very strong in right hands. i hope they drastically reduce its duration and increase cost for this spells in future. No offense but I think Smithies may be a liiitle more experienced with Loki than you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smith0rz Posted June 6, 2013 Author Share Posted June 6, 2013 "ooohh.. uuuhh.. Decoy doesn't aggro everything in the map.." "ooh.. uuuh.. Iron Skin Doesn't grant GOD MODE for 10 mins " -really? These where so unbalanced so its only a good thing that they are finaly being fixed. -Honestly, they should have been fixed prior OPEN BETA. -Next nerf Nyx Chaos some more, and maybe add longer charge up time on Absorb power too. Make absorb last 2 seconds, then make chaos last 4 seconds, then it would be equal. sound fair? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notso Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 "ooohh.. uuuhh.. Decoy doesn't aggro everything in the map.." "ooh.. uuuh.. Iron Skin Doesn't grant GOD MODE for 10 mins " -really? These where so unbalanced so its only a good thing that they are finaly being fixed. -Honestly, they should have been fixed prior OPEN BETA. -Next nerf Nyx Chaos some more, and maybe add longer charge up time on Absorb power too. Decoy and moult were not overpowered because they had health. If you used them to aggro too large a group then they would be destroyed quickly. That's called balance. Iron skin was not balanced because it granted God mode for 17 seconds a pop, 6 or 7 times in a row, and the enemy had nothing they could do to counter it. Please think before bashing somebody's thread :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Un1ted Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 Reminds me of maplestory. They nerf the old classes and then add in new completely overpowered ones, and the cycle just repeats itself. DE is heading down the wrong path here if they're trying to market this game like that. QFT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mabswer Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 (edited) Decoy and moult were not overpowered because they had health. If you used them to aggro too large a group then they would be destroyed quickly. That's called balance. Iron skin was not balanced because it granted God mode for 17 seconds a pop, 6 or 7 times in a row, and the enemy had nothing they could do to counter it. Please think before bashing somebody's thread :) you think so? so glitching the decoy inside the stairs or in the containers and lasting indefinitly sounds balanced to you? i think not. and no, im not bashing on anyones posts, yet :3 that was just means to make a point. Edited June 6, 2013 by Mabswer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notso Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 you think so? so glitching the decoy inside the stairs or in the containers and lasting indefinitly sounds balanced to you? i think not. and no, im not bashing on anyones posts, yet :3 that was just means to make a point. But nerfing it into the ground for people who used it legitimately was not the way to go about fixing the skill from being abused by glitchers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daKing1g Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 not discussion, no mentioning, nothing in livestream, just nerf DE's need to un-nerf this ASAP, not like we see many loki around! i guess this means loki will be a black sheep warframe that has been abused! #freeLoki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aerokiss Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 BURN ALL THE LOKI'S TO THE GROUND. NERF HIM. NERF HIM AS HARD AS YOU CAN DE. <3333 ALL THOSE DAYS OF SWITCH TELEPORTING ME AGAINST MY WILL ARE COMING BACK AREN'T THEY? R.I.P. LOKI LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mabswer Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 (edited) But nerfing it into the ground for people who used it legitimately was not the way to go about fixing the skill from being abused by glitchers. its just an simple way to disable the Abusing all together, not like anyother frame hasen't been on the receiving end of said nerfs either. Edited June 6, 2013 by Mabswer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X3Evanescence Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 BURN ALL THE LOKI'S TO THE GROUND. NERF HIM. NERF HIM AS HARD AS YOU CAN DE. <3333 ALL THOSE DAYS OF SWITCH TELEPORTING ME AGAINST MY WILL ARE COMING BACK AREN'T THEY? R.I.P. LOKI LOL. I could kill you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X3Evanescence Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 its just the simple way to disable the Abusing all together, not like anyother frame hasen't been on the receiving end of said nerfs either. Might as well nerf everything in this game to grakata-level.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now