EmptyDevil Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Look at her ult, it's balanced and I'll explain it. Her ult gives her the following. A) invulnerablity B) lifesteal C) togable Now the downside A) melee only B) can be shutdown C) damage is based on mods D) high damage can only be obtained with hit combos. Sounds like she is pretty balanced already. Those downsides aren't downsides. Here is what Hysteria is really like: Positives - Invulnerable to damage - Immune to procs - Immune to all eximus auras except arctic - Immune to CC - High scaleable damage - Damage increases with combo meter - Charge attack ignores armor and instantly kills - Innate life strike for self healing - Toggleable Negatives - Very limited range Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoidNomade Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 If she has all these meta related problems great than we can agree she needs a REWOK which will help her out starting with getting rid of invincibility. Her meta is her niche. She doesn´t have a problem in this niche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmptyDevil Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Her meta is her niche. She doesn´t have a problem in this niche. What would you describe this niche as? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)FriendSharkey Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 (edited) She's OP she's OP on the forums for months now, but out in the game she's standing over someone reviving them surrounded in a herd of those 100 plus enemy units ! One side says YOU and HER deserve to die for getting downed and her for actually trying to rescue you with her god mode! This game should punish you PUNNNISHHHHHH YOOOOUUUUUU!!! Everyone Else: SAVE ME!!! Thank god she has Hysteria! This game is awesome! Friend request sent. Now I know this isn't the OP's call for a nerf, I agree, lift everyone up to end game content and then add interesting units to throw in some panic. Edited January 20, 2016 by (PS4)FriendSharkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravend Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 It's funny, she has been out for awhile now. I'm not sure where this sudden crying for her nerf is coming from. Is it because they are new to the game? Was is because of pvp? You rarely even see a valkyr in high level missions. Draco? Ha you'd asked to leave or insulted until you left. She has been balanced for awhile despite the criers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmptyDevil Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 It's funny, she has been out for awhile now. I'm not sure where this sudden crying for her nerf is coming from. Is it because they are new to the game? Was is because of pvp? You rarely even see a valkyr in high level missions. Draco? Ha you'd asked to leave or insulted until you left. She has been balanced for awhile despite the criers. You must be new if you think any of those are the reasons for these threads. I can assure you that these kind of threads have been around for a long time. It's resurfacing because Valkyr's buff gave Hysteria the much needed damage boost it needed. The invulnerability is no longer necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GnosticCat Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Negatives - Very limited range -Can't CC in game where CC rules supreme. If game didn't have frames that will disable all enemies from doing anything with press of button I would agree that Valkyr's invulnerability is problem, but currently it doesn't seem like that much a problem at all considering all the powers seen in game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmptyDevil Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 (edited) -Can't CC in game where CC rules supreme. If game didn't have frames that will disable all enemies from doing anything with press of button I would agree that Valkyr's invulnerability is problem, but currently it doesn't seem like that much a problem at all considering all the powers seen in game. Valkyr has CC, even if it isn't broken like other frames. The CC centric gameplay is a problem itself. Edited January 20, 2016 by EmptyDevil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravend Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 You must be new if you think any of those are the reasons for these threads. I can assure you that these kind of threads have been around for a long time. It's resurfacing because Valkyr's buff gave Hysteria the much needed damage boost it needed. The invulnerability is no longer necessary. 3 years actually, you do know the the valkyr is based off the Norse beserker. You the guys that screamed and never stopped attacking because they felt no pain *cough* invulnerablity *cough*. It's still needed and part of her. Her armour goes so far. I have 1550 and it still gets torn thru at higher levels, even with warcry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scytze Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 (edited) Nothing will change, she is not only a fanboy favorite but shes a office favorite as well. Now that sounds ironic, given that you are using Ash icon. HE'S the real fanboy favorite. Edited January 20, 2016 by Scytze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoidNomade Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 What would you describe this niche as? Anything that´s not a mission type with a group and defending a object. Survival would be her best niche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmptyDevil Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 3 years actually, you do know the the valkyr is based off the Norse beserker. You the guys that screamed and never stopped attacking because they felt no pain *cough* invulnerablity *cough*. It's still needed and part of her. Her armour goes so far. I have 1550 and it still gets torn thru at higher levels, even with warcry. Berserkers are known for going on a rampage while ignoring and not feeling the damage inflicted upon them while dishing out more as they get angrier. Not feeling pain =/= invulnerability. It's possible for something to get shot, stabbed, burned, and whipped while not feeling it but it WILL be getting damaged. Valkyr ignoring procs and CC is closer to not feeling pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmptyDevil Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Anything that´s not a mission type with a group and defending a object. Survival would be her best niche. Then she overshadows frames that share that niche with her because of how Hysteria functions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GnosticCat Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Anything that´s not a mission type with a group and defending a object. Survival would be her best niche. So solo everything except defense, mobile defense and hijack? Extra bad at hijack due to low shields. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoidNomade Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Berserkers are known for going on a rampage while ignoring and not feeling the damage inflicted upon them while dishing out more as they get angrier. Not feeling pain =/= invulnerability. It's possible for something to get shot, stabbed, burned, and whipped while not feeling it but it WILL be getting damaged. Valkyr ignoring procs and CC is closer to not feeling pain. She´s remembering the torture she endured or is still enduring and forms the resulting wrath into her berserk mode. Done.^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GnosticCat Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Then she overshadows frames that share that niche with her because of how Hysteria functions. What about Wukong? I think I read on this very forum that he is better at invulnerability. She´s remembering the torture she endured or is still enduring and forms the resulting wrath into her berserk mode. Done.^^ Considering that it is all powered by void magic what does it matter how exactly is it working? Think of crap other frames can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)AjarGman Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 She´s remembering the torture she endured or is still enduring and forms the resulting wrath into her berserk mode. Done.^^ How is that relevant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icpmcp Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 how do you even do those amounts of damage ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoidNomade Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Then she overshadows frames that share that niche with her because of how Hysteria functions. And Mag outperforms damage wise any other frame versus corpus? So what? That a frame is best in "something" is the whole thing about different frames. How is that relevant? How is your question relevant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoidNomade Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Considering that it is all powered by void magic what does it matter how exactly is it working? Think of crap other frames can do. It´s not literally. I just find it amusing to use those berserker references from literature for explaining a balance situation in a game with space ninjas so i constructed a reasoning just for fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)AjarGman Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 how do you even do those amounts of damage ? It's real easy as a Valkyr. Just activate Hysteria and melee anything. If you're carrying the right mods on your melee for say a Berserker built Scindo/Prime with appropriate element damage you'll be just fine for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmptyDevil Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 She´s remembering the torture she endured or is still enduring and forms the resulting wrath into her berserk mode. Done.^^ What does this have to do with what you just quoted from me? What about Wukong? I think I read on this very forum that he is better at invulnerability. He has nigh-invulnerability and it is more balanced than Valkyr's Hysteria. http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Defy And Mag outperforms damage wise any other frame versus corpus? So what? That a frame is best in "something" is the whole thing about different frames. Mag can still die, so it is not the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoidNomade Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Mag can still die, so it is not the same thing. The point was overshadowing frames in the same niche. Mag was used as a reference to underline that it´s natural to have a frame that´s best in something. This isn´t so hard to grasp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)AjarGman Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 How is your question relevant? No one was wondering how Hysteria works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoidNomade Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 No one was wondering how Hysteria works. Yet Hysteria was connected with berserker and the literary explanation of how berserker is working.; "Berserkers are known for going on a rampage while ignoring and not feeling the damage inflicted upon them while dishing out more as they get angrier." ... "Valkyr ...is closer to not feeling pain." Where i made a reasoning that she feels pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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