Fire And Ice.

[Sada_no_Fujin]

How? Do you know what happens when you put boiling water, and ice together? you get a roughly room temp liquid, depending on the volumes in question. It can't be both burning hot enough to light something on fire and cold enough to freeze it. While i understand that this is a game and the laws of reality hold no sway here i figure you would also call it a balancing issue. One should remove the other. 

 

 

TLDR: Fire and ice are opposite temperatures. There fore something can not deal both heat damage and cold damage at the same time.

Edited June 15, 2013 by Varo_Sanumai

[RainNero]

Oi! Don't bring your real-life physics into my space-ninja game!

[Amistyrja]

Whatever I just want Cryo Rounds on my Ignis

[Mizukage]

Because Space Ninja Logic! Don't flame at us space ninjas for defying logic >:C

[MamawKing]

space technology made it possible

[MetalGerbil]

fire and cold damage at the same time? impossible!

i refuse to take part of this ridiculousness. from now on ill take cold damage off my ember while i set everything around me on fire using magic. magic and superpowered future ninja armor.

[Tsuku974]

Im agree, it would be nice to make a little bit of logic in the game, to make the choice of mods more strategic than... farm upgrade and put all the mods in the same weapon...

 

I think the theorycraft with a little bit of logic would be nice there, make the gameplay of each weapon change with the mods.

[Jhin]

Aside from "it's a game about spaceninja, logic has no room here!!!" Well....actually it is possible. Think about a frozen block of wood. On the outside it could be burning, while on the inside it is still frozen.

If you wan't ammunition capable of doing such things: Multilayered bullets, two seperate chemical reactions, splitting up when hitting a target, igniting its surface and freezing its core solid.

Edited June 15, 2013 by Jhin

[sambarpowder]

Fried ice cream yay

[CutterSlade]

it depend realy if you freeze something and then heat it realy fast you can crak stone ore was it from the other side :P i only know for sure if the temprature change to fast it crack insted of go to room temprature

[Sada_no_Fujin]

Aside from "it's a game about spaceninja, logic has no room here!!!" Well....actually it is possible. Think about a frozen block of wood. On the outside it could be burning, while on the inside it is still frozen.

If you wan't ammunition capable of doing such things: Multilayered bullets, two seperate chemical reactions, splitting up when hitting a target, igniting its surface and freezing its core solid.

 

 

The wood bludgeons and burns, hypothetically speaking. Unless its soaked it won't really freeze and in that case it won't ignite. In the case that you actually did ignite frozen wood the parts that are actually aflame that could burn you would heat and melt. Either way your not going to do any sort of cold damage by hitting someone with something that is just frozen. It would have to be cold enough to freeze the target.

[zidone]

well i always thought that it was more like this - you atak an enemey then your weopon sets it aflame the same instant your weopon realeses somthing like liquid hidrogen and freezes part of the enemy this way it is part flame and part freez dmg

[Notso]

Ever heard of cold-burns? :P

[RainNero]

Aside from "it's a game about spaceninja, logic has no room here!!!" Well....actually it is possible. Think about a frozen block of wood. On the outside it could be burning, while on the inside it is still frozen.

If you wan't ammunition capable of doing such things: Multilayered bullets, two seperate chemical reactions, splitting up when hitting a target, igniting its surface and freezing its core solid.

Interesting note, I was discussing this very topic with a few of my clanmates days ago, and I came to the same conclusion with the bullets.

[Notso]

I'll just leave this here...

[BenHoliday]

If you're actually worried about real-life physics, then the FIRST thing to object to is having cold damage at all.

 

The amount of heat a bullet would have to absorb to freeze a target with a single round (or even a few rounds) is quite high, considering the target-to-bullet mass ratio is upwards of 250:1. But even if you COULD supercool a bullet such that it could absorb enough heat to freeze a target, firing it at high speeds would rapidly heat it up while it was on the way to said target; it wouldn't be able to arrive at such a low temperature even if we could fire it without adding heat to the bullet.

 

So yeah ... keep real-life physics comparisons out of any game that uses Ice bullets.

[Enlil]

You are wright, We should get and reaction of the two elements every time we hit, Like an explosion! Could be fun!

[Notso]

If you're actually worried about real-life physics, then the FIRST thing to object to is having cold damage at all.

 

The amount of heat a bullet would have to absorb to freeze a target with a single round (or even a few rounds) is quite high, considering the target-to-bullet mass ratio is upwards of 250:1. But even if you COULD supercool a bullet such that it could absorb enough heat to freeze a target, firing it at high speeds would rapidly heat it up while it was on the way to said target; it wouldn't be able to arrive at such a low temperature even if we could fire it without adding heat to the bullet.

 

So yeah ... keep real-life physics comparisons out of any game that uses Ice bullets.

SMW

[Grilleds]

If you freeze something and then heat it real fast, it can be frozen and on fire at the same time.

[Enlil]

If you freeze something and then heat it real fast, it can be frozen and on fire at the same time.

True, but a bit boring if u ask me. If u take an fire frome Thermite (what gets rly hot) and ad a good chunk of ice to it, it will explode! Poor heavy grineer, lol

[Sada_no_Fujin]

You are wright, We should get and reaction of the two elements every time we hit, Like an explosion! Could be fun!

 

 

That would be much more accecptable. and cool. and awesome. lets blow up soem grineer.

[ChaotikDreamz]

How? Do you know what happens when you put boiling water, and ice together? you get a roughly room temp liquid, depending on the volumes in question. It can't be both burning hot enough to light something on fire and cold enough to freeze it. While i understand that this is a game and the laws of reality hold no sway here i figure you would also call it a balancing issue. One should remove the other. 

 

 

TLDR: Fire and ice are opposite temperatures. There fore something can not deal both heat damage and cold damage at the same time.

 

 

Placing thermite and ice together beg to differ with you lol.

[Sada_no_Fujin]

Placing thermite and ice together beg to differ with you lol.

 

Ice doesn't do frost damage. We're talking liquid nitrogen cold. 

[ASH_PRIME]

Fire and Ice!

 

P.S  Fire and Ice together would make STEAM damage, and as anyone who has had a steam burn will tell you, it makes an electric shock feel like a tickle