Very Low Gpu Usage With 980 Gtx & I7 4770K - Any 980 Owners Out There?

[Spit5ire]

Hi,

 

Need abit of assistance here. I trying to write this to Nvidia as well.

 

Well let me start with my system specs

 

ASUS Strix 980 GTX

Intel i7 4770k

16 gig Ram

250 gig SSD

Philps G-sync monitor.

 

This is with G-sync on

Benchmark with 3D MArk with 90% usage - numbers are similar to reviews. 

Playing on Battlefield 4 , GPU usage is at 69% and framerate is at 110 fps on ultra

Playing Elite Sniper 3 , GPU usage at 75% and framerate is at 144 fps on ultra

Playing Elite Dangerous, GPU usage at 65% and framerate is at 130 fps on Ultra

 

Now this is the strange thing with warframe.( whether on ULTRA or LOW)

 

While in Hub (in your spaceship, navigation, arsenal options) , GPU usage is at 40% and framerate is at 144 fps

While in ANY tile set, GPU usage will drop to 15% and framerate can drop to 40 - 90 and with other people around drop to 32 fps or even lower. 

 

Graphic card temps are 60 degrees C , CPU is around 45 degrees C. 

 

I have used the following Drivers with no difference. 

344.80

347.09

347.25

347.52

 

Things i have done

Unlock CPU cores.

CPU , Ram , GPU are on default , no OC.

Replaced the power supply cables.

Reseat the card. 

V-sync Off in-game

Used Window, border less window, full screen

Disable G-sync

 

I am at a loss what to do, hopefully it's a driver issue and not the evol engine 2.

Edited February 16, 2015 by Spit5ire

[taiiat]

Warframe doesn't stress GPU's very hard. almost all CPU and Northbridge weighted.

this is very normal.

nothing to see here, move along folks.

[Spit5ire]

Warframe doesn't stress GPU's very hard. almost all CPU and Northbridge weighted.

this is very normal.

nothing to see here, move along folks.

This is not normal, my 780m (notebook GPU) I am having 60-90 FPS on the same maps with people playing. So you are telling me my notebook >>>> Desktop?

 

15% GPU usage is very very low... this is not normal.

Edited February 16, 2015 by Spit5ire

[ivannagibator]

How about your desktop GPU and CPU about 2 times faster than your laptop hardware, especialy CPU. And Warframe "highly optimized" for mid-range hardware or even low-end, because so many people playing this game on very outdated PC's and newest consoles also slower than mainstream or HIgh-End modern PC's.

[Spit5ire]

I suspect it is a GPU driver issue (very unlikely a game engine issue), but if there's a workaround through using some options, I don't mind trying it out. Thankfully it's not hardware as the other games are working within spec.

[taiiat]

This is not normal, my 780m (notebook GPU) I am having 60-90 FPS on the same maps with people playing. So you are telling me my notebook > Desktop?

15% GPU usage is very very low... this is not normal.

no, this is normal. Warframe does not heavily utilize GPU's, because it's really just fairly light on them.

depending on what's going on in the game, Framerate will vary. while i have not personally heard of current gen Northbridges and CPU's running into performance drops to the numbers you're suggesting (usually more like 60 at a minimum, with an average of more around 180-220), it will vary depending on what's going on in the game.

if your Desktop performance numbers are coming from say, someone using Mirage and Kohm/Supra/Detron/Et Cetera, and Notebook is just normal gameplay, then ofcourse the numbers will look peculiar.

however if you have scientific statistics for your notebook and Deskop, and that still shows the Notebook having a higher minimum, then you might be on to something.

and if that is the case, i would run down the basic list - update the Operating System / Drivers (please remember that there's more than just Video Drivers that exist), blah blah.

also, i certainly hope you've already checked the Launcher options and made sure Multi-Threading is on (or turn it off, in some rare cases having it off actually increased performance), and it would be recommended to run Warframe in 64-bit Mode in DX11. please don't check both DX10 and DX11.

it's very likely that the issue is located in your software settings, Operating System, or Motherboard.

i can guarantee the 'low' GPU Utilization is not the problem. that is completely normal for Warframe.

Edited February 16, 2015 by taiiat

[Uberplayer]

Its just normal for warframe. Everything is done on cpu so its almost not important what gpu you have. I have same gpu usage as you, there is nothing you can done to use all your gpu power on warframe. It is completely cpu bound game. Overclock your cpu and you will get better fps.

[Spit5ire]

Guys the issue my framerate is dropping below 30s and the GPU usage is at 15%. <--- This is not 980 GTX performance 

 

My 780M SLI (mobile GPU) rig is hitting 40% gpu usage and has 60 frames min.

 

Again I am not asking for 180 - 200 fps in-game. But my 980 GTX deftinely can hit a min of 60 framerate yes? It's not hitting it. 

 

Both my laptop and desktop are Running @ 1920 x 1080

 

Seems that running at bordeless window helped things abit, which is opposite of a lot of peeps in the forum. 

Edited February 16, 2015 by Spit5ire

[taiiat]

Guys the issue my framerate is dropping below 30s and the GPU usage is at 15%. <--- This is not 980 GTX performance 

 

My 780M SLI (mobile GPU) rig is hitting 40% gpu usage and has 60 frames min.

the higher GPU Utilization would be because the dual mobile Chips in the Notebook are basically garbage compared to the Desktop GPU.

please stop suggesting GPU Utilization is the problem. it isn't. it's normal. i've already outlined some good steps to go to to ensure Warframe is running correctly for you.

if those steps outlined don't resolve what may be not working correctly, talk to Support.

[Uberplayer]

Well he is saying that notebook gave him min. of 60 fps and desktop only 30 fps. So there must be something wrong.

 

But i'm playing on the desktop too and have 20% gpu utilization and 40 fps in some cases. So it is nothing unusual. But fps on desktop should be higher than on notebook.

Edited February 17, 2015 by Uberplayer

[VioDuskar]

Warframe doesn't stress GPU's very hard. almost all CPU and Northbridge weighted.

this is very normal.

nothing to see here, move along folks.

same S#&$'s happening with my 980s SLI or not.

i'm in OP's boat. it's WF, not our cards.

[Uberplayer]

I think DE wont make changes to warframe to use more gpu, because lot of people playing warframe use notebooks with decent cpu but awful gpu. So they use mainly the cpu to gave them playable fps.

Edited February 17, 2015 by Uberplayer

[Spit5ire]

same S#&$'s happening with my 980s SLI or not.

i'm in OP's boat. it's WF, not our cards.

 

Thank you! I'm not going insane at least. Ok I believe some are of you are defending that the GPU usage is not the cause of it. Fine it might not be the case. But my machine specs I am at least going to run this at 60 FPS min correct? In Tower Survival my FPS can drop below 30 fps.... 

 

This is the same card when I fire up BF4 it's a solid 110 fps and Sniper elite 4 it's hitting 144 fps. So warframe is more graphically intensively then these games? Heck even Crysis 3 I can hit 90 fps with most settings on ultra. Anyways I dropped DE a support ticket. I hope they can sort this with Nvidia

[Uberplayer]

No, sniper elite and battlefield are gpu intensive, warframe is cpu intensive, cpu bound. That means that cpu cannot supply enough information to gpu resulting in low gpu usage.

[taiiat]

if you'd rather complain about other games that work differently over and over when you already stated it once, rather than actually try to resolve your issue, then i'm done here.

neither myself or anyone else can help you if you refuse to do anything about it.

Edited February 17, 2015 by taiiat

[Snougar]

Very strange. 

My GTX 970 hits anywhere from 70-200fps at 1080p when mid mission. The only time I see high GPU utilization is in the Liset, where the fps hits over 300fps. Any other time it's between 15-30%.

Warframe is a CPU bound game, but there is definitely something not right. Even a GTX 980 at 20-30% utilization at 1080p should be pulling fps similar to mine. Also it is weird that your games are not stressing your CPU all that much.

A few things to try:

-Go into your Nvidia CP and set your Power Management Mode to 'Prefer maximum performance'.
-Disable Aero entirely if you use it.
-Deleting your EE.cfg
-Fiddle with your launch options. 64bit, DX11 or 10, etc.
-Update your PhysX libraries.
-Try disabling Hyper-threading in your BIOS.
-Try disabling C1 and other power/state management in your BIOS.
-Make sure your mainboard/BIOS supports your CPU (May sound dumb, but a CPU not supported can still run fine, but can have issues with clock speeds, voltages, etc. Updating your BIOS could fix it. But only do it as a -last resort-).

Those are really the only things I could think to try.
 

[Spit5ire]

if you'd rather complain about other games that work differently over and over when you already stated it once, rather than actually try to resolve your issue, then i'm done here.

neither myself or anyone else can help you if you refuse to do anything about it.

 

Very strange. 

My GTX 970 hits anywhere from 70-200fps at 1080p when mid mission. The only time I see high GPU utilization is in the Liset, where the fps hits over 300fps. Any other time it's between 15-30%.

Warframe is a CPU bound game, but there is definitely something not right. Even a GTX 980 at 20-30% utilization at 1080p should be pulling fps similar to mine. Also it is weird that your games are not stressing your CPU all that much.

A few things to try:

-Go into your Nvidia CP and set your Power Management Mode to 'Prefer maximum performance'.

-Disable Aero entirely if you use it.

-Deleting your EE.cfg

-Fiddle with your launch options. 64bit, DX11 or 10, etc.

-Update your PhysX libraries.

-Try disabling Hyper-threading in your BIOS.

-Try disabling C1 and other power/state management in your BIOS.

-Make sure your mainboard/BIOS supports your CPU (May sound dumb, but a CPU not supported can still run fine, but can have issues with clock speeds, voltages, etc. Updating your BIOS could fix it. But only do it as a -last resort-).

Those are really the only things I could think to try.

 

Ok thanks, that's what I am looking for. I'll try totally disabling PhysX or update the libraries. 

[Spit5ire]

if you'd rather complain about other games that work differently over and over when you already stated it once, rather than actually try to resolve your issue, then i'm done here.

neither myself or anyone else can help you if you refuse to do anything about it.

It's ok I already have posted to support as well. Thanks for the help. THe launcher options didn't work for me unfortunately. Maybe I sound naggy , but all I want is that Warframe to run at 60 FPS at min. My performance level is worse than my laptop. And like Snougar confirmed with me, my performance level for my PC is really low. 

Edited February 18, 2015 by Spit5ire

[Snougar]

 

It's ok I already have posted to support as well. Thanks for the help. THe launcher options didn't work for me unfortunately. Maybe I sound naggy , but all I want is that Warframe to run at 60 FPS at min. My performance level is worse than my laptop. And like Snougar confirmed with me, my performance level for my PC is really low. 

 

 

Yeah, there is something not doing what it should be doing. But without more info/history it's always hard to troubleshoot (I'm still curious what your mainboard and BIOS version are though). 

Warframe won't always run at 60fps minimum though. Sometimes during voids or when things are going absolutely hectic, it can dip to 40 or so for a few seconds seconds. And this is with my i5-3570K at 4.4GHz, which is a good boost in performance over your 4770K despite HT.

I'm just hoping this year of polish, DE will optimize the game a bit. And I'm sure they will.

 

[Nep_Blanc]

Warframe doesn't stress GPU's very hard. almost all CPU and Northbridge weighted.

this is very normal.

nothing to see here, move along folks.

 

no, this is normal. Warframe does not heavily utilize GPU's, because it's really just fairly light on them.

depending on what's going on in the game, Framerate will vary. while i have not personally heard of current gen Northbridges and CPU's running into performance drops to the numbers you're suggesting (usually more like 60 at a minimum, with an average of more around 180-220), it will vary depending on what's going on in the game.

if your Desktop performance numbers are coming from say, someone using Mirage and Kohm/Supra/Detron/Et Cetera, and Notebook is just normal gameplay, then ofcourse the numbers will look peculiar.

however if you have scientific statistics for your notebook and Deskop, and that still shows the Notebook having a higher minimum, then you might be on to something.

and if that is the case, i would run down the basic list - update the Operating System / Drivers (please remember that there's more than just Video Drivers that exist), blah blah.

also, i certainly hope you've already checked the Launcher options and made sure Multi-Threading is on (or turn it off, in some rare cases having it off actually increased performance), and it would be recommended to run Warframe in 64-bit Mode in DX11. please don't check both DX10 and DX11.

it's very likely that the issue is located in your software settings, Operating System, or Motherboard.

i can guarantee the 'low' GPU Utilization is not the problem. that is completely normal for Warframe.

 

the higher GPU Utilization would be because the dual mobile Chips in the Notebook are basically garbage compared to the Desktop GPU.

please stop suggesting GPU Utilization is the problem. it isn't. it's normal. i've already outlined some good steps to go to to ensure Warframe is running correctly for you.

if those steps outlined don't resolve what may be not working correctly, talk to Support.

 

if you'd rather complain about other games that work differently over and over when you already stated it once, rather than actually try to resolve your issue, then i'm done here.

neither myself or anyone else can help you if you refuse to do anything about it.

 

I have the same issues as posted in the thread, but with an laptop. Low gpu usage and modarate cpu usage.

 

I conclude that this person here does not know that most mainstream games are optimized and that these work for the greatest part on the gpu and not an cpu.

 

Because we all know gpu's are way better in handling games than cpu's are and in computing power they are leagues ahead of the cpu.

Most of the high end systems will let you see that Warframe has poor optimalisations and is hard code limited, at least that is what I conclude.

The reasons for this aren't clear now if an dev does not respond with an clear answer.

Yes Warframes main stream gamers use laptops but this does not have to make this game more cpu utalized, it has to be optimized for all gamers not only the mainstream that use crappy S#&$ty laptops.

 

I adressed the same in an similar thread, the thing is my laptop is not that slow at all and is an pretty high league gaming laptop.

Thing is desktops should get way better performance, an friend of mine got less fps on an trinity/vauban spamm and crashed his graphics card and I did not crash at all with less performance and less grade hardware(none the less FPS was crap after spamming it).

 

Furthermore I hope that Warframe makes more quality true than more content this year, and makes this game more enjoyable for everyone(yes even the people that whine about everything that gets changed).

 

 

Chao, The Roaring Lion Warlord of ShadowLords

[Spit5ire]

Ok I finally fixed it. I changed changed my ram options to XMP in bios and now I am running at 250 fps. Finally found it. 

 

Thanks all!!

Edited February 18, 2015 by Spit5ire

[Snougar]

I have the same issues as posted in the thread, but with an laptop. Low gpu usage and modarate cpu usage.

 

I conclude that this person here does not know that most mainstream games are optimized and that these work for the greatest part on the gpu and not an cpu.

 

Because we all know gpu's are way better in handling games than cpu's are and in computing power they are leagues ahead of the cpu.

Most of the high end systems will let you see that Warframe has poor optimalisations and is hard code limited, at least that is what I conclude.

 

CPU and GPU usage comes down to a lot of variables. But I wouldn't say only good games should stress just the GPU.

There are a lot of games out that demand a lot from the CPU, purely because of the complexity and size of the game. CPU's are the gatekeeper when it comes to how well your GPU will perform, no matter how well a game is optimized. Since they are telling the GPU what to do and left to do animations, AI/pathfinding, physics, audio, network, general calculations, gamelogic and basically everything you don't see.

Also you have to remember just because your CPU is only showing 50% utilization, doesn't mean it isn't bottlenecking in a game. Cache size and speed, bus speed, clockrate, IPC, all play a part. Some games prefer lots of cache, others prefer core speed, others just want more cores/threads (Laptop counterparts tend to have less of all of these to keep within TDP).

Optimization issues aside, Warframe is pretty taxing on the CPU. The way it does hosting is extremely heavy, purely because the host PC has to do all the network interpolation and hit-scan registration (If you've ever seen the CPU usage on a full TF2 or BF4 server, its huge). Then there is all the AI, objects and network traffic. 

 

 

Ok I finally fixed it. I changed changed my ram options to XMP in bios and now I am running at 250 fps. Finally found it. 

 

Thanks all!!

 

Oh congrats man! So your RAM wasn't set right? Weird that would fix it!

Maybe you will see some more utilzation in other games now :D

Edited February 18, 2015 by Snougar

[Nero9937]

Moral of the story :

DE please. Give some love to your high performance users...

[Uberplayer]

Ok I finally fixed it. I changed changed my ram options to XMP in bios and now I am running at 250 fps. Finally found it. 

 

Thanks all!!

So overclocking ram boost your fps, interesting. What is you gpu usage now?

[Snougar]

So overclocking ram boost your fps, interesting. What is you gpu usage now?

It's not overclocking persay. XMP (Extreme Memory Profile) is basically a set-profile that comes on the RAM itself that tells your mainboard what speeds, timings and voltages it can use for best performance. Usually a mainboard applies XMP settings automatically if it can, but sometimes it doesn't and it can make the RAM run slower or unstable.

 

Edited February 18, 2015 by Snougar