TheZathel
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2 minutes ago, ChuckMaverick said:
If DE intended the Hema as a 'challenging' goal, then that fact should have been highlighted at its introduction, but there was no such communication. Additionally the fact that the Hema contributes to mastery rank (however significantly) and could possibly gate future clan research means that players who don't have it will feel as though they are missing out.
This is a good point, I can get behind that.
But...
3 minutes ago, ChuckMaverick said:Whether something is perceived as 'unattainable' is obviously subjective, and there clearly are a group of people who have been raised on a diet of instant gratification, but I would argue that a developer should want most goals in their game to be deemed reasonable by the vast majority of players.
Food for thought - not an implication, statement of fact or even informed opinion. consider this: maybe you have a feeling that majority of players deem current costs as not reasonable because you inserted yourself into an environment full of people who think just that? Even if they do not in any way represent majority? It's incredibly easy to create a echo chamber full of vocal minority.
And cherry on top of that food for thought? DE has the data. Big scale, game-wide data. They looked at it and firmly said "This is fine". Maybe that also suggests something?
As said, and I repeat again, since apparently people have problems with interpreting my posts, this is just food for thought.
6 minutes ago, ChuckMaverick said:This alone makes clan research requirements a bad choice for injecting 'friction' into the pay/play balance, build requirements would be a much better way.
They did just that with Vauban Prime, did a second pass after some time, cut Oxium cost by half. They made an entirely different approach with Hema, moving the bulk of the weight to clan level. Did another pass after some time, left requirements as-is. Hm.
8 minutes ago, ChuckMaverick said:But to introduce some objective facts, the SteamSpy page for Warframe currently shows the median play time over the last two weeks as three hours and fifteen minutes. The "playing for an hour three times a week" you mention is twice the total play time of the average Warframe player, if they did absolutely nothing else but grind mutagen samples for the Hema.
Subjective opinion warning: As brutal as it may sound I don't think someone who plays that much has any right to feel entitled to Hema or anything that requires any kind of effort without shelling out plat.
But that might be because I was brought up on old-school grindy-as-F*** MMOs; once themeparks rolled around I always thought WoW: Burning Crusade's attunement system was way too lax.
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Ah, sorry, yes, I meant that - making sure that new riven roll would retain just one of the stats you select (such as damage) would be great.
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Many people would love that, but I'm not sure this is gonna happen. Not impossible though, since you kind of need very specific stat sets for "godly" rivens (in most cases crit chance crit damage and one "nice" negative or damage multishot with one negative) so being able to lock just one stat would be a nice thing indeed, without overturning the essentially lottery-like nature of the system.
It would certainly make my life easier trying to get that +damage +multishot Daikyu riven...
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9 minutes ago, ChuckMaverick said:
Fair enough, and to address your original point...
The damage to social clans comes about because by setting Hema research costs at a level that some social clans see as unattainable, it could appear that DE are implying that social clans are not viable or desired.
It's also at odds with comments made by Rebecca during the podcast following last week's Devstream, where she stated that efforts would be made to ensure all clans could participate in the upcoming 'investigation' feature, even solo ghost clans.
My take on it is that DE were genuinely trying to get the balance of 'friction' right and provide some incentive for even veterans to buy the Hema with plat, or be faced with some real in-game effort to obtain it for free. But they didn't fully think through the effect it would have on different types of clans, and rather than addressing that mistake have chosen to double-down with their misguided comments about 'honouring' clans who have completed the research, despite copious examples of other occasions when they have done the exact opposite.
Thank you!
I'm not sure I'm entirely convinced though... on several points. Two (well, one, in two aspects) I can properly formulate offhand.
First, I might be nitpicking here, but technically "unattainable" here is just a matter of perception of people who are used to instant gratification. Which seemed to be the name of the game generally, excluding singular cases like Vauban Prime or Hema. From publisher and developer perspective, such things are not really beneficial overall. They want things to take time and effort to obtain, and not only to push plat-based sales. Which brings me to the second point...
Expectations. Why should a social clan, whose players put in, say, tenth of time and effort (combined - lets say maybe half the time but they don't focus on optimal farming compositions, for example) what a hardcore dedicated clan puts in should obtain new content in comparably similar time frame? Why do they feel entitled to access to entirely optional weapon on the same basis? 5k base mutagen sample cost is not an insurmountable obstacle. It's not trying to obtain an item that does not drop in the game anymore, to give a slightly exaggerated example. It requires base minimum of coordination and community effort. Doing an ODD or ODS run every other day (with a nekros and hydroid) for half an hour would quickly add up in the long run. The problem is that for some, "long run" is a dealbreaker... but they still want the shiny.
Well, unless you think playing for an hour three times a week is hardcore. I'm not sure we can compromise on this point though.
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Just now, ChuckMaverick said:
Then you picked an odd place to post your comment, as I went back through a couple of pages of this thread and couldn't find anything that I would consider "screeching and whining". Why not make your post somewhere it actually applied?
You've clearly not been following this thread or you'd have seen that I call out BS arguments on both sides of the debate, I've even been accused of white-knighting for DE on a couple of occasions.
Well it was you that instead of addressing my argument, focused on getting into a S#&$fit about my personal expression of how I perceive the debacle. Not even whole expression, just a small part of it - which, admittedly, I could have worded better.
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3 minutes ago, Naskoni said:
I think our reading comprehension is fully functioning. Your sorry excuses about blanket insulting everyone that think the Hema research costs are BS, on the other hand, are not.
Aaaand you're back where you started - with putting words in my mouth, this time also claiming they are excuses. I'm not responsible for your inability to correctly comprehend and contextualize written English.
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2 minutes ago, ChuckMaverick said:
I'm quoting your own words, so please explain how I'm doing this.
I said I was referring to multiple exaggerated and panicky threads, specifically and you're still claiming I made this as a general blanked statement for every thread about the issue and I'm dismissing the argument wholesale. Especially since in my initial post I addressed ONE of the issues without ever referrign to my opinion on viability of other aspects of this problem.
You either have problems with reading comprehension or you're so incensed and dug into your stance on this that you attack any dissenting point of view regardless of anything, in any way you can.
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1 minute ago, Naskoni said:
And what do we call people that don't read any of those threads, never understand what their actual purpose is and simply drop some random crap 50 pages later stating obvious things addressed 20+ times in said threads as if they discovered the wheel and thus enlightened the filthy, ignorant masses with their Augustine presence?
Wow, you took it up a notch - not only putting words in my mouth, you're adding declaring what I did and didn't do! Discussion such civil, much enlightened, wow.
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Just now, ChuckMaverick said:
No, you're characterising whole argument against the Hema costs as an "incessant month-long screeching and whining fiesta" and ignoring the many thoughtful posts and valid arguments being put forward.
Sure, there are exaggerated and over-dramatic posts (on both sides of the argument), but that's generally the case with any forum debate and shouldn't distract from the core issues being discussed.
And you're putting words in my mouth since maybe, deep down, you know that those arguments are none of the things you claim them to be. Truth stings, you know?
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5 minutes ago, Madotsuki said:
It shouldn't be hard to fix something like this, so what's the hold up?
Probably low issue visibility to users and limited impact is has on player experience. Issues you listed are not easily noticeable in regular play.
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1 minute ago, ChuckMaverick said:
Really? Nice to see you're keeping the discussion civil and constructive. /s
If you'd actually read the thread then you'd see that several of the people arguing that the costs are too high have already completed the Hema research, and that number will only increase over time, but it doesn't make the costs any more reasonable.
I was referring to dozens of threads about this created daily here and on Reddit, often wildly exaggerated and over-dramatic in tone and content. I'm just calling the things as I see them.
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They are so common that for past 30 sorties I've gotten two. TWO. And I'm fairly sure I'm not alone in this.
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I just wanted to chime in on something I never quite understood - where the hell does damage to social clans come in here? If you're a social clan you should not go on purging spree because you can't research a single weapon without putting any effort at all. If you do, you're not a social clan, you're starting to get hardcore. That kinda means you lied to people who joined it and you're kicking casual players to satisfy your cravings. Basically, you want the cake and eat it too.
Not to mention that if you can't motivate other clan members to put in bare minimum of effort (I have about 70 days played total - I have 500 samples, never did many Derelict runs and I crafted most of my mutagen masses) to get the research done in a reasonable timeframe, it's either a sorry excuse for a community or just a wrong community for you - go find a collective of people who treat the game as seriously as you do.
You would think, from all this incessant month-long screeching and whining fiesta that they locked up temporary access to significant content update like a new gamemode or cinematic quest behind a sacrifice of 10 vaulted prime sets per player that has to be refreshed weekly.
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3 hours ago, ChargeBeam said:
Not to mention it makes it the most powerful physical damage type. Puncture just kinda "meh"'s through armor and Impact...
... impacts things?
Get your coat, that wasn't even a good pun.
In all honesty, from PoV of status effect, impact isn't terrible, the stagger effect is like micro CC. Puncture is utter garbage though. It should increase damage taken instead.
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1 minute ago, tnccs215 said:
Well, I do think ruining someone's life with rape -- and then ruining again by accusing them of falsely accusing them of rape -- is a bit worse. Its also 15 times a more common occurrence.
Double assumption: You assume the harassment done to women is equal to men, and assume women answer respond more often or act more fragily.
Both are blandantly false: As mentioned before, harass suffered by women is much more sexual and mischievious than suffered by men. Its also more common. Women also tend not to answer more, simply blocking the harasser -- go read all comments by women here.
You are simply following the rule "a victim is always to blame". And even if bullies do choose someone based on how feminine their username looks, that only makes them more misogynistic and sociopathic -- it doesn't excuse them at all.
Everything else you wrote just proves you are a genuinely terrible person that seems to thrive in a dog-eat-dog world. You are devoid of empathy and care, and all in all borderline fascistic.
You also fail to know that all societies collapse, regardless of their power structures, and making this a totalitarian regime will not make it last longer.
and gosh, how disgusting I am for having ideals.
Oh, you're one of those "1 out of 5 women have been raped!" people? Dang, I feel sorry for you.
And thank you for those startling compliments! You didn't have to, that was so nice of you!
I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree here. Was nice talking to ya though.
By the way, societies collapse by growing weak and complacent. Totalitarian or not, that is a whole other can of worms.
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Just now, Retrijeuj said:
I always try to have a polite debate with people who don't agree with me, you often realise they have personal reasons for thinking the way they think, and frankly, I'd take personal experience over facts established by someone I never talked to.
And that's a great approach, but expecting logical consistency from people subscribing to this particular ideology is setting yourself up for a big disappointment.
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Just now, Retrijeuj said:
I'm having a hard time taking this definition seriously because of the "typically of a woman". While it's not wrong, it seems like it's been added by a feminist after the definition was published. Besides, it has nothing to do in a definition, which is meant to tell us what sexual harassment means, not who suffers the most from it.
Also, just because women suffer the most from something doesn't mean we have to fight exclusively for women, especially in a society where we're taught more and more to reject genders and be whatever we want to be, ranging from a skeleton to an apache copter, and going through the whole Unown symbol table.
I don't know why you expect this kind of radical progressive thinkers to be logically consistent in what they are saying.
Just now, Danjal777 said:Considering you falsely quoted me, it seems you have run out of gas in this debate. Have a nice day.
Nah, that was just quote function @(*()$ up. The example of sexual harassment was from me, sorry about that.
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12 minutes ago, Danjal777 said:
Nope. See above. You are suffering from hazing, teasing, bullying, and virgin shaming.
So...
15 minutes ago, Danjal777 said:I honestly don't know where you are going with this.
Sexual harassment:
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harassment (typically of a woman) in a workplace, or other professional or social situation, involving the making of unwanted sexual advances or obscene remarks.
hmmm...
So I gave an example of : "Oh, you're a virgin, girl? Why, nobody wants you? Some problem with your sweet spot? Maybe you swing the other way?" and it's not an obscene remark?
12 minutes ago, Danjal777 said:Nope. See above. You are suffering from hazing, teasing, bullying, and virgin shaming.
Yeah, nah, sorry, you're not even consistent in your replies.
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16 minutes ago, tnccs215 said:
and is that social change supposed to be a good thing?
Yep, if this means excesses of social progressive lunacy that are currently tearing Western societies apart are consigned to dustbin of history. Well, unless you think that ruining somoene's (a male someone, let's not lie about that) life with a false rape accusation is perfectly fine.
19 minutes ago, tnccs215 said:Pfff, why did they start harassing in the first place? You are placing your whole theory atop the assumption that "they surely must have done something". When a feminine username is enough to start it, maybe the issue is with the bully, not the bullied.
If they did not have past experience of finding easy targets just by targeting feminine nicks, they would not be targeting feminine nicks.
21 minutes ago, tnccs215 said:Damn boy, try not to cut yourself on that edge. People make the world, people choose, and people learn. Acting as if such coldness is inevitable is idiotic.
and one thing is not being able to deal with stuff. Another thing is not fighting against its very existence.
Edge? Damn, you must be choking on baby goose down over there if a simple statement of fact is edgy to you.
If you want to go on a moral crusade that has actual effect, go raise your Children to do what's right and proper... oh wait, no, that's probably a horrible idea, since I don't see you teaching them how to stand up to people who disagree with them properly. Fighting against moral wrongs is not easy and exposes you to attacks of all kinds.
24 minutes ago, tnccs215 said:Oh no! I think everyone should be "coddled" and protected if they want to be so. You see, I think people should actually care for each other, instead of taking advantage of them. I think that people should be respected, protected, and cared for.
And harassment doesn't work that way. One thing is shockingly insulting your friend, another thing is abusing them because you want them to feel like sh!t. Harassment can exist even if you don't get traumatized by it -- most women are so used to be catcalled they don't feel affected, but they still know it isn't acceptable -- and if a friend or anyone else is trying to engage with me in an interaction I do not want to engage with, whether by, playfully or not, insulting me, or by sexually harassing me, I do expect them to stop. You know. Respect me. But hey, I'm a despicable sjw that expects people to care for each other, or at the very least, that people shouldn't be allowed to treat others like sh!t.
Societies that accept and condone weakness don't get to keep doing that for very long.
25 minutes ago, tnccs215 said:lol why? Respect isnt trust not authority. Its to let people live their f*cking lives. It should be a given. Making it something you must earn either means you have to subject yourself to the will of others for them to maybe let you be free, or that you should have to fight for it, making society nothing more than a competition for power, when its actually an association. One way or another, freedom isnt insured, people have the right to use and abuse others, and the whole point of society -- to make a better place for everyone -- disappears.
So yes, Respect should be given, and people should be free to live their own life without others making them their toys.
The point of society is to make us propagate DNA better as a species, not to make things better for everyone (there's a word for that - utopia). Just look at which kind of societies are most robust and energetic right now, and which ones are in decline and teetering on brink of collapse. Your idealism is showing again, it's quite disgraceful.
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15 minutes ago, Danjal777 said:
No. Being called a virgin is just plain teasing, hazing, bullying. Not sexual harassment.
Also wait a @(*()$ moment here. So in your eyes if I went "Oh, you're a virgin, girl? Why, nobody wants you? Some problem with your sweet spot? Maybe you swing the other way?" to a girl you would not consider it sexual harassment?
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3 minutes ago, Danjal777 said:
No. Being called a virgin is just plain teasing, hazing, bullying. Not sexual harassment.
Imagine if you had a next door neighbor, when you are outside mowing the lawn, he just stares at you while you are mowing, afterward he comments that your butt looks great in those tight jeans. This happens Everytime you run into him. Next thing you know, when ol dad walks in to tell you to mow the lawn, a sense of dread washes over you. That's sexual harassment. What's worse is when you tell your dad, he doubts you thinking you are trying to get out of mowing the lawn, or he thinks you are being weak and tells you to grow up, get some thick skin. You go online e to anonymously ask for advice you are met with this BS.
Do not tell me we are moving backward. 5 years ago, homosexuals and women could be in certain parts of the military. 20 years ago police brutality on African American's was brought to light and taken seriously, 60 years ago bathrooms were segregated from races, 100 years women were ridiculed if they did anything other than "wifely duties". 300 years ago we fled religious persecution. It may not look like it but my country is slowly getting there, it still has a long way to go, but we generally step forward a little at a time. Donald Trump will either perform as a president, or get impeached, I'm not even remotely worried about that.
I resent the assumption I would just passively accept the situation, let alone affect me. Which kinda implies that you think that women, in general, should passively accept such kind of behavior and let it bother them so much.
Sexism of low expectations?
Oh, and that time list is just hilariously quaint. FYI - wifely duties and running a household were, back in the day, serious @(*()$ business and you're being disrespectful to women who handled those duties.
And going too far in social change is a thing, you know. A small step back to think and decide what's right or not is desperately needed, unless you think that ruining a man's life by unsubstantiated false rape accusation is a-ok. If you think that disguising uncomfortable truth about crime rates in relation to population for racial backgrounds under debliating screech of "RACISM RACISM YOU WHITE MALE HOMOPHOBIC CIS BIGOT" is a-ok. That mutilating children with sex-change operations in the name of "LGBTQ tolerance" is a-ok. I could go on and on with this.
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9 minutes ago, Danjal777 said:
Sorry man, but this is some backward thinking. NO ONE should have to deal with that. You are having a disconnect here because you are failing to imagine what's it's like in their shoes. Have you ever been sexually harassed? I doubt it, but imagine if someone was on voice chat talking dirty to you...And everywhere you went you ran into this behavior. It isn't a learned behavior, it is an aberration that reinforced by poor upbringing.
To the OP: your friend is going to deal with this for a long long time. But it gets better with everyday. Just as racism in the US is steadily declining, so is sexism. One day, far on the horizon, her great great grandkids will live in a world free of this type of ignorance. The best thing you can do for her is offer friendship and support.
Does harassment over lack of sexual experience count as sexual? Let's say it does, then yes. And it stopped as soon as I stopped giving a flying F*** about it and people who used it against me saw it have no effect.
Social hierarchies are a very human thing and behaviors like these are one of the most basic ways of establishing them. Crying sexism and huddling in safe spaces will not change that... and for you information, winds of social change are kind of backing up, judging by recent election results in a certain country.
2 minutes ago, tnccs215 said:On the internet?
lol dude, VR must be much more advanced and common then I knew.
And hell, even if they are weak -- how those that excuse bullying? Seriously, how? Can't people be weak? Aren't people entitled to living their own life? Its acceptable now to prey on someone for being defenseless?
Spare me. Respect and personal freedom are basic rights that should go protected and unchallenged. Saying otherwise is being, quite simply, cold.
They had to have some sort of reaction, one way or another. This kind of predator doesn't stick around if there's no blood in the water.
And the world is a cold place, and you're naive little child at heart if you believe otherwise. It might feel horribly cynical to you, but when push comes to shove you've got only yourself to count on. Failing to handle mildly unpleasant social interaction is not a good sign.
And respect has to be @(*()$ earned, not given.
8 minutes ago, tnccs215 said:seems like your personal reality is the one a bit more... Inexact. Yes, I do claim that pretty much all woman get harassed. Some more, some less, but they all in their life have gotten harassed because of their gender.
It's shocking, I know. But well, after you know a sh!tton of women and sooner or later you end up knowing they all were harassed in ways and amounts neither I nor most of my male friends have -- and after you actually spend sometime doing a sh!tton of research on the subject, you do get to that conclusion.
Do weak boys get bullied. Yep. And its terrible, and shouldn't happen. Do they get bullied throught their entire life? Generally no. Do they get bullied by random people? Nope. Does the harassment they get is normally sexual? No, it isn't. So don't act as if it's comparable things.
Its hell of a lot more empirical than yours, that's for sure. So you're now claiming that woman should be coddled and protected because they have a lower threshold for perceiving harassment? Because that's what it is. You don't count certain interaction as harassment since you're mentally strong enough to handle them without them breaking your skin. All this sexist victimhood bullS#&$ is just that - load of bovine manure.
10 minutes ago, tnccs215 said:Oh gosh, another one. Yeah, sure, I bet they came here with the sole intent of getting praised by women online. His gonna get sooo laaaaid! I mean, look at all the comments!
oh... Wait... Not really.
Well, it surely is an exception!
oh... Ehrm... No this is pretty much your average thread about this, with your average responses.
Seriously, if it was virtue signaling, it would focus much more on how much he hates online misogyny and much less on the actual misogyny. And even if it was, it wouldn't make it less relevant to talk about. It would just make him a mischievous person.
You can virtue signal to other white knight males, you know?
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3 minutes ago, tnccs215 said:
Because she's weak?
Are you joking?
and how do they discover she's weak? They smell her, is it?
Literally where did you got that excuse from? From your a$$? If neither I nor the OP get harassed (much less sexually) for saying whatever, and yet my sister and her friend just have to open their mouths to get slammed, do you really think it's because they're "weak"?"
Isn't it a bit more probable they think she's weak because she's a woman?
The one confusing cause and effect here is you, sir. Not me.
And its ironic you mention how women love to complain about getting harassed ... On a post by a guy complaining about watching her female friend getting harassed.
Women do complain about getting harassed, but they do get more harassed then men, and in a different way, and they mostly do that on places where they know they aren't getting discredited. Like there forums, apparently.
And hell, even if they do complain more, and get just the same amount of harassment, that only means men aren't has keen of defending their innate right to respect as women. Though I guess its manly to be a conflictuous prick.
Grow a thicker skin? How about people respecting each other.
How did they discover it? Empirically. They threw a poke and saw it stick, saw it have an effect. Saw the flinch, the glassy eyes, the body language they probably can't even name properly, but instinctively recognize. And then went to town.
Unless you want to claim ALL girls get harassed regardless of any other factor. Good luck with that, nice personal reality you have there. Only the weak get bullied, regardless of their gender. Hell... girls, if anything, get a bit of a shield from a bit worn-down (I wonder who should we thank for weakening this one, hm?) old rule to not be mean to girls. There's no mercy for weak boys.
As for OP? Well, white knighting and virtue signalling is a thing, you know?
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14 minutes ago, Irn-bruman said:
My youtube? What? Your delusions taking an unexpected turn, i'm not following. Please concider counseling with a specialist, while i drag you through the real life.
BullS#&$ "sexism" in videogames invented so the cry babies could have another reason to cry about. I can understand you need new reasons, old ones are already worn out.
Nobody cares if you're a man. Nobody cares if you're a woman. Nobody cares about you at all. Face it, and live with it.
You don't get picked nearly as much as your sister? Then why wouldn't you protect her, sir Criesalot? Or read something about this problem? Bullies in school relies on respose. If the bullied is weak, cries, or would not stand up for himself, they will feast on this easy prey as long as they could. So - it's her and your fault. Too scared to stand up for your sister, but at least brave on forum.
He is insulted on her behalf. We don't even know if she takes it serously, maybe (as it's often happens) she is more mature then this whiner and don't take offensive words so personally. And don't care what people say. You talk about sexism, and still infantilize women, they are sentient beings, and can handle all the S#&$ in this life themselves. Including some petty comments on voice chat from people they never met, and will never meet.
Grow up.
I can't upvote this hard enough.
@tnccs215 Don't mistake cause with effect here. They don't pick on her because she's a woman, but because she's weak. Recognizably female voice is just a signal to them, denoting strong statistical probability that they found an easy mark.
Despite all the claims to desire to being treated as equal, women are still way more prone to *@##$ing and moaning about the treatment they get in online gaming. "Oh I know I said I want to be treated same as everyone, but they are TOO MEAN TO ME MAKE THEM STOP". If you can't handle banter and snipes, grow thicker skin or get the hell out to your safe space.
Grow up.
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