Trylobyte
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if anything I would think this was the perfect set up for OP. He sounds like he has maybe enough time for one-two hours of gameplay, which is more than enough to kill Tyl Regor, get some bps, build them, get some syndicate points, then log off until he can do it again. You don't have to "wait" for your BPs to finish building because when you get back from work, they're all done!
Unless the problem is that you have no patience for this, in which case nothing will really solve your problem.
The RNG becomes a big problem with that. To put it in perspective, I decided tonight I'd like Panthera. I had four of the five Miter parts already, missing only the barrel. Three and a half hours later and I just got it. I've gotten every single other drop 3-7 times (except Trinity Systems, also absent). I've even leveled a Warframe from 20 to 30 and gained all my daily standings off that mission. When it came to the Equinox I had a chunk of time on the weekend and a group of friends to run with; even blowing through Tyl Regor in a few minutes it took us a good 4-5 hours to get the parts (Night Helmet was the holdout). Did get lucky and found the Oculyst while running him, though. If I'd been with random groups I could see it taking a good deal longer.
As for Cephalon Simaris, he does tend to take the longest for me, especially if I've been keeping up with scanning synthesis targets - Each target is ~3500 standing, so all 10 synthesis targets won't get you a blueprint (and they're single use). One Draco run can get me almost all my daily standing for a normal syndicate but for him I'm going to have to stealth a couple missions and scan everything.
A lot of you are getting me wrong. I don't expect everything to get given to me. I'm actually somewhat fine with things as they stand now (though I think the Exilus is a bit silly). But I'm getting distressed with the fact that it seems getting things done in Warframe is taking longer and longer and I'd rather not see this become a long-term trend.. I know the forums aren't the best place to post this sort of thing since forums tend to be where the game's most dedicated players are (and thus the people who spend the most time playing it) but it's a point I think is worth mentioning.
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It's a strange irony that a game focused on high-speed space ninjas running around being awesome is getting slower and slower, but that's the trend I'm seeing lately, and as someone who doesn't like heavy grinding Update 17 is making me sadder than usual. The new frame requires me to grind out not four but eight untradable blueprints, making the RNG all that much more infuriating, and it takes almost twice as long to build too - A week for one frame! Can't wait for THAT to go Prime... It requires fighting a revamped boss who spends a lot of time going into an invulnerable, untargetable position, which makes him take more time to fight (though he's not as bad as Lech Kril and his randomly-indestructible backpack - Fix that please?). That's fine, since the boss is pretty fun and I only need to get all those prints once. But then we have the other new content. The kubrow requires me to either buy imprints to raise the chances of getting him or breed randomly for a few days and hope it's the right one (~20% chance); if not I have to sign him off to Space Mom and get another one to try again for another few days. All to get something that is inferior to the Carrier I already own, but vital in the search for mastery experience.
And then there's the granddaddy of all time-sinks, the Exilus. Sure, you can build one... if you have the time and patience to farm up 50K standing (which takes 3 days only if you're at one of the highest mastery levels; most will need 4-5) with the most frustrating, time-consuming syndicate in the game (Simaris) for a one-use blueprint. This will also cost you an argon crystal (which expire over time and can't be stockpiled) and 2 formas (easy enough to get, but take a day to build and are used for nearly everything). This may necessitate more runs to get the rare resources required for either the formas or the argon crystal. Then after you get all this, it's another day to actually build the adapter. Which you can't rush, since just rushing the formas costs more plat than straight buying the adapter. All for one slot on one frame... and I regularly use five. I hope I can fit all that in alongside all the Void runs I already need to do to shop at the Void Trader!
As someone who doesn't play Warframe a lot due to having a job, this large and seemingly increasing time demand worries me. I love the end-game content as much as the next guy, but if I'm going to get all this awesome new stuff I either need to step up my playtime or start paying over cash. That's a bad feeling... very much the same reason I don't play games like Clash of Clans. We're veering into the territory where I feel like I need to either dedicate all my free time to the game to advance or start paying (more) money, and that's never a comfortable place for a gamer.Come on DE, help me resolve this dissonance. Stop making everything take forever.
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Need to do the Natah quest first. It's triggered by finding an Oculyst drone (randomly happens in missions) and scanning it.
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Excalibur Prime - Swagframe
Mesa - 360noscope
Valkyr - CCL (Crazy Cat Lady)
Embolist - Fart Gun
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It's just another grind, to me. Here's how I see it.
Two Formas is 48 hours of building, plus a bunch of rare resources that I'll eventually need to go farm for. On top of that, I need another 24 hours to build the adapter itself. It would cost me more to rush than it would to buy straight up because of the two Forma requirement - Not all of us have an enormous stock of them sitting around. Forma Blueprints on the other hand... Wish I could build more than one at once. And that's not counting the 50K standing I'd need to get the blueprint; that'd take me 4 days (as I'm merely MR16) and probably two hours per day of farming standings for it.
In that same 72 hours of construction I could play an hour a day, for three hours of loot in the Void, or three hours farming Derelict vaults, or three hours in Draco getting gold fusion cores. All of which I could then turn around, sell for plat, and buy the slot with. And look, I need to go to the Void anyway to get the Argon Crystal I'd need to build it... So it's not only faster to farm and buy, but it's also easier even for people who don't have plat sitting around.
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Just keeping speculation open; It's pretty clear she is for all intents and purposes a sentient but it still doesn't answer how a Sentient managed to remain undetected and get placed into a command role.
Could just be the Sentients are really good shapeshifters or she's some creation meant to act as a sleeper agent.
We'll probably find out for sure during the event.
She put herself into the command role. It's entirely possible that she used the Sentient technology-subversion trick to assume command of the Tenno (or at least their comm systems) and turn them on the Orokin, killing them. Without them the Tenno had no leaders, so when Natah put them to sleep she assumed that role herself, essentially adopting the Tenno as the children she could no longer have.
It's also implied the Sentients may be either AI or shapeshifters - Natah's parent makes reference to 'this form' suggesting their forms aren't always the same.
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A curious thought struck me today... I was watching old 90s cartoons for nostalgia factor and clicked into an episode of Superman TAS. I wasn't paying too much attention, but then a very familiar voice began to speak to me...
Cephalon Simaris?
No.
Brainiac.
And that got me thinking more. Not only do they sound the same, but they think the same - Each is a collector of knowledge, each is destructive in their acquisition of knowledge, and each believes they're serving a higher function in collecting that knowledge. They both see themselves as preservers. They both want to know everything about everything. Both will grant small boons if you help them acquire more knowledge.
Simaris is Warframe's equivalent of Brainiac, and he may eventually turn on us to synthesize us Tenno instead, if he hasn't done it in the past while we were in cryosleep. After all, is not all information worth preserving?
Keep an eye on that one.
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Don't forget that Bombards will also sometimes machine-gun their rockets. Dodging a rocket every now and then is fine, but when I have to dodge a rocket a second from one Bombard on top of everything else shooting at me it gets ridiculous.
Other fun Bombard facts:
They are the second-tankiest Grineer, tied with Heavy Gunners (Napalms are tougher).
They are the tankiest Corrupted (again tied with Heavy Gunners).
Bombard rockets can hit through Frost bubbles.
Bombard rockets will NOT hit targets in the Rift. However, if they explode nearby, their AoE WILL.
Rockets can be shot down. Weapons with high fire rates and larger projectiles are good for this (Especially Supra).
Rockets home so well they will occasionally circle back when dodged and require a second dodge.
Bombards gain a massive rate of fire boost when attacking stationary targets. They sometimes get this against moving targets too.
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obviously you need to aim towards Endless Missions against Factions which provide good XP returns.
such as playing a mid-high Level Defense to 20 Waves.
Or Draco.
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Ah, well we don't have that many categories in my language really. Herp derp language wall....there's actually something called "Bastard" sword?
It's a later definition, also known as a hand-and-a-half sword. Essentially an arming sword with a longer hilt that allowed it to be used with two hands comfortably but was still small enough for one-handed use. They also tended to be a bit bigger than an arming sword but weren't as big as longswords (which were primarily two-handed).
As for the arming sword, that's pretty much the generic 'sword' that most people think of and mistakenly call a longsword thanks to D&D. The kind that's held in one hand and often used with a shield (Like the Silva and Aegis ingame).
As you can tell I'm somewhat fond of military history. >.>
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Didn't Watch the devstream myself, but if they said Longswords then it should be the likes of Nikana, Skana, Dakra Prime etc. Those area actuall Longswords. While Galatine is a Greatsword (claymore anyone?)
Blades listed from smallest to largest: Dagger, Shortsword, Longsword, Greatsword. And Longswords are also clasified after how many hands the hilt allows. (bit of a history nut here)
So which was it? Longsword or Greatsword?
Pedantry time!
A more historically proper progression would be Dagger, Shortsword, Arming Sword, Bastard Sword, Longsword, Greatsword. The 'longsword' as we think of it in high fantasy is usually an arming sword. Most Tenno blades would fall into the arming sword or bastard sword category.
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Tenno are actually two-inch-tall micro-pixie people that live in the Warframe's head. The only people who know this are Lotus, Simaris, and Alad V.
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Fun fact: 'Corpus' is actually the Orokin word for 'Family.' So the Corpus literally translates to the Family. ...Were the Corpus originally the Orokin Mafia?
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What I could see is each Syndicate specializing in a different group of missions.
Steel Meridian: Defense, Survival, Mobile Defense. Defending the people is their entire thing.
Arbiters of Hexis: Deception, Rescue, Hijack. More cunning, thoughtful ways to victory.
Cephalon Suda: Spy, Interception, Deception. Suda wants to know everything.
Perrin Sequence: Excavation, Survival, Spy. Gotta dig up them relics, make that money.
Red Veil: Exterminate, Sabotage, Capture. Kill all the things.
New Loka: Sabotage, Mobile Defense, Hijack. Stop the Grineer from messing Earth up any more.
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...sometimes he gets you. And sometimes, you get each other at the same time. Here's a little story about it, because I was feeling creative.
Dark Sector Heiracon, Pluto. 1330 hours.
A lone Zephyr runs around slaying the Infested, securing the area for a mysterious 'lone Tenno operative.' She wonders if this is where Baro'ki Teer finds his merchandise. Life support is holding steady at about 75%. Suddenly, alarms flash and the blast doors seal the area. There is no explanation; the infested certainly don't know how to operate these systems, and the blast doors are actually keeping them out. 'Huh,' Zephyr thinks. 'That's weird.' A quick moment of time spent with the slime-covered but functioning alarm panel and the lockdown was released without incident; the Infested continue pouring into the room as they always had, eager for prey. Zephyr is wary now, however. What's going on with the ship that she'd be suddenly locked in?
Two minutes later, the lights flicker ominously. The familiar sound of heavy breathing echoes through the Zephyr's headset as the Stalker begins his approach. 'I wish he'd pull his mic away from his mouth,' thought Zephyr as she readied her Atomos for the fight. One taunt. A second. Who would bother avenging Phorid? The Infested seemed to know that the Stalker was on their side this time and backed away, but life support did not stop declining. 20%. Too low, too low, but no time to activate a life support unit now; that took a while. She'd be a sitting duck. She'd have to make this quick.
The Stalker announced his arrival and the battle was on. Arrows shot past Zephyr and embedded themselves in cargo containers as she bobbed and weaved around the Stalker, searing him with a high-energy particle beam. The infested seemed to renew their attack as well, several chargers barreling in only for Atomos's beam to dance over to them and incinerate them on the spot. An arrow grazed off Zephyr's shields, knocking them offline, but the Stalker's armor wouldn't protect him much longer from the deadly beam focused on his head and chest. He swung his scythe in a wide arc to try and catch the close-circling Tenno but failed to find her; she was always just out of reach, just one step ahead. He went for his kunai and hurled a number blindly in the direction of the beam, but only succeeded in killing a stray Runner. Finally his armor could sustain no more abuse and, dropping to one knee and announcing his failure, he abandoned his mission. Such was his hurry to leave that he dropped one of his weapons for Zephyr to pick up...
...only for life support to fail just as she turned to activate the capsule right next to her, resulting in mission failure. As Ordis engaged emergency extraction protocols against her wishes, the Tenno's voice, unheard for thousands of years, finally rang out into the spore-filled interior of the ship. "DAMN YOU STALKER!"
And somewhere, far away, the Stalker knew this and smiled. Perhaps he had not failed after all.
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A friend and I got to the point where it was just a couple Drahk remaining.
"Is the dog really going to tell anyone?"
"Lotus said no witnesses!"
Lotus has seen Lassie.
*WOOF WOOF!*
"What's that boy?"
*WOOF!* *growl!*
"Tenno skoom?!"
*WOOF!*
"At the comm relays? They must be stealing our messages! Good boy!"
*happy bark!*
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So basically you are saying, "I don't want my gameplay experience negatively impacted by someone else.".
Now go look at the majority of complaints regarding Draco, Mesa, Saryn, and GMag...
They don't want to have their gameplay experience impacted by someone else either.
...Imagine that.
Jerks will be jerks whether or not they have a node that 'enables' them. Those of us who use Draco and aren't jerks don't want it taken away because people who would be jerks anyway are also using it.
Also, not to be critical of the moderation, but after all those thread mergers the first few pages are sort've a mess.
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Don't pretend like nothing is wrong with it.
It's fine when people are trying to find the fastest way to level, really. But when that method revolves around them sitting in one spot casting the same powers like it's going out of style, I personally feel like the integrity of the game is being undermined. I'm not saying "play the way I want, or else" I'm just saying you should actually have to participate in efficient farming/powerleveling methods.
Destiny's original loot cave comes to mind. Bungie didn't patch that because people were getting loot/exp too fast, they patched it because they didn't think that the most lucrative form of play should revolve around multiple players sitting in one spot shooting at a hole in the wall.
You state that there's nothing wrong with efficient strategies, but you don't like the most efficient strategy currently available because it's too efficient and requires too little work? That's fine. But what, then, would be an acceptable level of efficiency?
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I agree that grind X human nature (always looking for shortcuts) is the root of problems. But, when 70%-80% of recruiting games concentrate on 1 or 2 nodes, this becomes a problem, because it is hard to find a normal gameplay session to take part in and simply have fun.
I forma'ed most of my gear playing, and it was to time consuming, and to tell you the truth, no fun at all in some cases. Nowadays I also use Draco, but I would like to see more play 4 fun sessions when I don't.
I think this is a different issue. The longer people play the game the more friends they make, and if they just want to play for fun they're probably going to play with those friends, since they know they have fun with them. If I'm going to run a game and try to do something ridiculous or cheeky (such as doing a T4 or a raid with Mk.1 weapons) I'd rather be with people I know than with people I've never met before. I know my friends aren't going to rage at me, get frustrated with me, or abandon me simply because I'm doing something unusual. I don't have that guarantee with randoms.
This holds true in most multiplayer games, not just Warframe. Try picking an off-meta champion in unranked League of Legends with randoms and see how much you get flamed.
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Oh, finally I see it. It's the GRIND that's our true enemy.
Well in that case, let's just make it so that all weapons you build are instantly max rank, multi-forma'd, and don't require resources!
That'll fix everything! No really!
Don't be an idiot. Some level of grind is fine, and indeed some level of grind is needed to ensure a good gameplay experience. But having an excess of grind hurts things. DE has, in their occasional flashes of wisdom, given people a way (via Draco) to determine how much and how fast the individual player wants to grind.
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Draco is a problem, stop fooling yourself.
Why?
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Seeing a lot of Draco hate lately, and for an understandable reason. A lot of people think the Draco grind sucks away the gameplay experience, and in some ways they're right. But so, so many of them miss where the root of the problem is and wind up making destructive, foolhardy, or bizarre suggestions about how to 'fix' it. So I'd like to get something out of the way.
Draco is not the problem.
Mesa is not the problem.
GMag is not the problem.
4-to-win is not the problem.
Furthermore, they have never been the problem. The problem predates all of them. It's older than Mesa, older than GMag, older than Draco, older than 4-spam, older than beta, older than Warframe. It's older than the Orokin and older than the Sentients. It's a problem that's probably older than some players are.
So what is the problem?
The grind. The grind is the problem.
I present to you two generic scenarios to help you understand.
Scenario 1
Imagine this. I'm a player who is approaching endgame content - Raids. T4s, and other fun stuff. I've already beaten 95% of the starmap, I'm already MR 10 or so, I've already got a bunch of frames and a bunch of weapons. Now I want more, I want progression. I get a shiny new weapon and I want to try it out, so I play a few missions and find I really like it. But it's not suitable for endgame because it's not max level. Then, since I am a smart player, I know I don't just need to get it to max level, I also need to put a potato on it. Then I need to Forma it 3-4 times (5-6 if I have max-level mods) maxing it out again each time, so I can get all my mods in it. Then it's ready for endgame.
That's somewhere between 120 levels (3 forma) and 210 levels (6 forma) for one gun. I do not want to slog my way through half the starmap for the next week just to get the weapon to the point where I can use it for the content that's new and interesting for me. I'm going to look for the fastest possible way to max it out right now so I can get back to doing what I actually want to do. The method I use to do this has varied over the years, but right now it's Mesa, Mesa, GMag, Frost, on Draco. So, since I want to actually use my gun to its fullest potential and see how it handles the endgame, I'm going to go through that grind and get it out of the way in three hours of hard farming instead of three weeks of lumping around the ghost-town of a starmap with an underpowered gun.
What's the problem with that?
Scenario 2
Now imagine that I'm someone who's simply looking for progression. Right now the only progression in Warframe is the mastery rank, a feature akin to levels in other MMOs. Well, hey, I cleared the starmap already and I'm only MR 8 (Before you laugh, I personally cleared most of the starmap at MR6) but I see people regularly shunning me for my low mastery rank. Maybe I should get some more levels. Everyone wants to be a high level, so I start grinding mastery points. Now, since I'm more than likely using weapons and frames I either don't like, don't want, don't have good mods for, or are underpowered, I'm definitely going to want to minimize my time using them. I'm going to seek out the fastest way to max out the weapon for the mastery points then either shelve it or sell it so I never have to deal with it again. This helps me raise my mastery rank, get into the 'big league' groups, and gives me that warm tingly feeling I get when I get levels.
What's the problem with that?
Scenario 3
I really like Warframe but I don't have a lot of time to play because of my job and my family. I'd like to try out some new things, but I'd like to optimize the path for getting those things so I learn how best to spend my limited time. When the weekend comes and I have a day free I might buy a booster with platinum so I can speed things up for myself. When I farm resources, I run Dark Sector Survivals with Nekros and Hydroid. When I need prime parts, I speed-run with Volt and Zephyr or I camp with Mesa and Nekros and GMag. And when I need XP, I turn to Draco so I can quickly max out my gear and get it to the point where I need it. I don't have much time after all and I'd rather spend as much of it as possible doing things I like instead of getting the things I need to get there.
What's the problem with that?
Think about this before you post another Draco-hate thread. Do you hate Draco, really? Or do you hate the fact that Draco gives people who don't enjoy taking the long road (like you probably did, or enjoy doing) a shortcut out of it? Remember, the things you consider fun and enjoyable might not be what someone else likes doing. Also remember that we're all only using the tools the developers gave us and within the framework they've provided for us - Any 'rules' you make about 'what MR should mean' or 'how you should gain levels' are as meaningless as anyone else's are until the developers say so.
So sit back and think about your post before you make it. What are you really complaining about?
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I like to slowly go up, down, up, down, up, down... No Tenno here, just us space dolphins...
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do you pimp right out with lato and skana prime as well ?
I wish. Didn't have that kind've cash back then, so I just go Latron Prime and Reaper Prime.
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This makes me remember the infamous 0.01 ISK wars in EVE.