Earthworm_Jim
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I can wager a pretty good guess as to why DE's pace is so slow.
1) Inter-office bureaucracy, and micromanagement.
2) Lack of communication between departments.
3) Poor production focus and guidelines.
4) Misplaced priorities.
In effect, it's not the skills that are missing from the development team. It's effective organization, cohesion, and management.
5) Despite being in beta for over a year now, DE isn't treating it like a beta.
I have segregated this point because it is a huge one. In a real big-boy beta, you do not try to release completely finished and balanced content. This is what you do if you are trying to use an open beta as an excuse for advertising or if you're trying to hunt for pre-orders. In a real big-boy beta, you want to release huge chunks of probably broken content to your testers, get their input on what needs to be changed or fixed, weigh that feedback with the intended development direction of the product, and then make the necessary changes at a later point. Part of the reason why DE isn't doing this is because so many other developers have perverted the idea of what a 'Beta test' really is. There is a reason the original term is 'Beta test' and not 'Beta'; the 'test' part of the title is the more important part of the two-word title.
Of course, there are two other reasons DE is treating the game like this:
6) A vocal part of their playerbase is seemingly ok with it.
7) Another part of their playerbase who has no business beta testing this game or any game trying to do a real beta test complain whenever something is broken.
Let's not mix complaints and critique. There are many people who give critique and feedback whenever something is broken. Then there are others who whine ineffectually about it. People in the #6 camp love to lump the people giving actual feedback about something into the whining category; I won't even get into why because that way lies a frustrating uphill battle. You can generally tell the difference between feedback and complaining by the level of critical thinking displayed, how well-reasoned the response is, and whether or not a potential solution is posed.
Of course some people in the #6 camp wouldn't know critical thinking if it hit them in the face, but again; frustrating uphill battle.
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Visual Bug? What does that mean?
This isnt about that, this is about people saying this isnt a big thing while at the same time saying they cant say how it can be done.
If you cant say then it's a big thing. If this was some simple "backing out quickly before the menu can register thing" there shouldnt be any problem at all in letting people know because that is, in fact, nothing.
After you accuse someone of hacking without anything to substantiate your claim, I am not surprised he is not telling you how to do the glitch.
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LOL!
People that like hacks and exploits wont like me.
Oh not, what a world.... what am i going to do.........
And to do all of this you need to show everyone what you can achieve.... why?
Why dont you just send a CM, DE staff, a pm or just send a ticket?
I gave the reason in the first paragraph of my post. Let me rewrite it since you either ignored it or did not understand it.
Repeatability. The first thing you do when you find a bug is verify that it is repeatable in a number of different circumstances. The fastest and easiest way to do this is to have multiple people with multiple circumstances try to replicate the bug. DE has asked that we do not post the actual steps to replicate a bug, but the actual steps are not necessary and in fact can be detrimental. Knowing the bug and not knowing the steps, multiple people will be trying to figure out how to replicate the bug, and in the course of this replication it may be found that there are other steps that can be taken, some steps are not actually necessary, or entirely new bugs may be found. This is all part of the bug testing process in a Beta game.
To pose a counter question: Why WOULDN'T you post about a bug that you found so that other people can see it?
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You actually put the game at risk because now more people than usual are going to be trying to reproduce this and you know this because this is the reason you are not telling anyone about it.
Good. Since this is a beta, our first responsibility is to be testing for bugs, and repeatability is a big part of bug testing. Unfortunately, DE has shut down proper repeatability testing because we can't post the steps to reproduce a bug anymore. However, since many people will be trying to replicate this bug but not off a list of steps, we can see if this can be achieved in other ways or uncover new bugs within the system.
For as long as DE insists this game is a Beta the people who are 'hacking the game', as you say, are the ones who are actually doing what they should be doing. If DE wants people to stop breaking their game, they can stop calling it a Beta and start treating it like a finished product, because Betas are meant to look for bugs.
This means that people like you are an impediment to game development. At this time I would like to personally ask you to stop trying to obstruct the testing process, and if you cannot handle that due to a lack of self control or misguided strong moral convictions, that you cease playing this game until such a time as it is deemed a finished product and not a Beta.
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Complain Complain Complain
Whine Whine Whine.
What this thread should be called.
I have a friend that plays this game he does not go on the forums and I want to keep as many people away from the forums as i can because honeslty its nothing but people Listing wrongs with the game. There is not a single Co-op Multiplayer game that has complete balance that is perfect Warframe not the first to have problems and certainly not the last.
You guys need to take in to consideration that they can solve every single issue and any given moment these are human beings not robots.
show consideration.
Best Regards,
This is a game in a beta. We are supposed to be finding the things wrong with the game and bring it to the attention of the developers. That is the entire purpose of a beta.
If you bring your car in to an auto mechanic, the mechanic is not going to tell you that your muffler is in great condition or that your brake pads look great. The mechanic is going to tell you that your spark plugs are worn out, there's a wiring problem in the passenger-side door, and that your power steering belt is wearing out and needs to be replaced.
While there are some people in this thread who've made unconstructive critique which is very similar to whining, there is also a whole lot of constructive critique from people who've been watching this game develop and progress and have heard what the developers have said, promised, and claimed over the course of that development cycle.
It is not accurate or fair to lump everything together and call it whining just because you may not agree with it.
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Genetic deformities aren't just physical. It is stated somewhere in the lore that the Grineer became more aggressive as a result of their degeneration; it is very possible that should that be cured they might explore options other than murdering everyone that doesn't agree with them. At the very least, they would be presumably physiologically identical to the Corpus again which would go a long way for easing the whole xenophobia deal.
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Once upon a time I thought the Tenno were good guys.
Then I played through Uranus and met a man named Tyl Regor, whose just trying to reverse the debilitating genetic deformities his people are suffering from, and my task was to murder him for being helpful. It could have been due to his strange obsession with fashion, but I doubt that.
It was at this point in time it was made clear that the Tenno are not really good guys. They aren't trying to help anyone, only maintain the status quo. Their purpose is to keep the situation from deteriorating further, not do anything to remedy it.
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By stating that the redirection of gravitons will cause the alloy to disintegrate, as seen on most of your arguments on page 3 and 4. Staring with post #43.
Disintegrate, meaning that the matter/alloy is no longer in a solid, whole state.
It's not a strawman fallacy when everyone can just look back and see what you've said, -_-'".
One more straw man for the road. Stating that redirecting the gravitons of an alloy would cause it to shear apart does not mean that the state of matter is reliant entirely on gravitons. This is a slippery slope fallacy. The state of matter is reliant on a lot of things; applying extreme heat can cause matter to 'disintegrate' in the context you've used but that does not mean that the state of matter is reliant only on heat.
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How is that so? I've been making them eat their own words so far. ;) They keep changing the subject and I keep bringing them back to where they were wrong. It takes two (or even three of you) to try and confuse their way out of this pitfall they've found themselves in unsuccessfully -and I'm only one person. If anything, I'm raping them.
You have still yet to provide any evidence that you are correct. Everything you have stated thus far has been "No, you're wrong, I am right, you do not know what you are talking about" in so many words.
Again, no. I know you wikipedia-ed this and saw the terms "stress-energy-tensors" on the same page as "time-space curvature" but that does not mean that matter exists in states SOLELY because of the influence of gravitons.
In no way, was it ever implied that way. Not by the scientific field, and certainly not by me. What you are saying is simple, and complete tosh.
Now; in order to spare everyone another bout of confusion. I managed to find an article that disproves you and your falsities entirely.
Gravity is not part of the standard model, gravitons were included to make it part of the model; the status is still being debated. DO NOT add your own properties to it if you haven't published a scientific journal about it. LOL. Post one with your name in credit about this new property you made - up, maybe I'll believe you then.
Now, before you try to act smart again by jamming nouns and verbs together that would drive any physicist into a berserk state. I'll let you know I mentioned that we should take this to PM before you get out of hand.
P.S: English IS my first language and I've been better at it than you so far. At the very least, I've been trying to logically explain to you that your crapshoot attempts at confusing readers is wrong.
I am not acting smart; I am actually explaining my reasoning for why I believe why I believe and providing evidence, which you are not. Where did I ever state that matter exists in states solely because of gravitons? You have been putting words in my mouth this entire time and then disproving the words you put in my mouth that I never said, instead of proving what I said wrong. Your entire argument has been straw man fallacy after straw man fallacy, followed up recently by an appeal to authority by stating I need to publish a scientific journal in order to add properties which I did not even add in the first place to a tenuous-at-best theory even among higher scientific circles.
You're convincing myself and others you have no idea what you are talking about by running circles and resorting to debate fallacies instead of actually addressing the points anyone is making. Since this is how things are going to be, I am done debating this with you. I have no intention of inflating your ego by enabling you to have pretend arguments with other people by way of creating more straw man fallacies to disprove.
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Well, since you have retracted your opinion that this new alloy would simply shear itself into particles after I explained to why why that wouldn't happen since gravitons are not the basis for the state of matter. Now you want to change your reason to how this alloy was even mined?, to the basis of your argument?
Simple, alloys are usually made (synthetic) not mined.
They are combined from other mined materials, which I pressume, prior to treatment will not have this graviton redirecting property yet.
Also, even if IT IS MINED, do you think gravity repelling materials are going to stop the Corpus from making use of it? Throw a net, put a bucket over the mineshaft, 1 million ways to catch it.
Even if this material were to redirect that force just as you say and not shear itself apart in the process, that means it would simply accelerate 9.8 m/s^2 in a different direction. Meaning the moment it was mined out of Eris, it would have flung itself straight into space.
Even if this material were to redirect that force just as you say and not shear itself apart in the process...
Even if...
I apologise if english is not your first language, but the phrase 'Even if' does not mean someone is conceding their point. It is a phrase to facilitate giving a counterpoint to a person's statement by taking a hypothetical situation where that statement is true and pointing out a logical flaw.
I thought we agreed to stop making base, overgeneralized assumptions about each other.
Moving on, you still have not stated why redirecting gravitons will not cause the material to shear apart. You simply said that it wouldn't. In fact, let me quote you.
-_- Note that: All things that aren't shearing themselves at this moment in time, HAVE molecular "bonds" (There are several more subcategories you have to go through, than simply calling them 'bonds') that are stronger than gravity already. The fact that rockets aren't disintegrating into thin air just by leaving the atmosphere is proof enough.
So what you're saying is, in simple terms, "This metal better be made of matter or it's not going to exist! And that is why it cannot be metal!" Which doesn't make a darn bit of sense.
Thus, despite your attempt to confuse the readers. My justification still stands VERY FIRMLY. An alloy can be lighter than air if it has the properties to redirect gravitons in a opposite direction.
Things in their natural state right now that aren't shearing apart from gravity are able to maintain cohesion because they are merely acted upon by gravity and go with it without trying to alter it. What you are suggesting is something that takes that force of gravity and alters it. These are two very different things. Redirected gravitons would literally invert space-time curvature, because gravitation comes from the stress-energy tenser. The thing that causes space-time curvature. Gravitons are theoretical messenger particles that are exchanged between larger atomic particles to create that stress-energy tenser. The act of making this alloy, as it had to be made at one time, would cause space-time curvature to invert. This would also not be an instantaneous occurence. All things require time, no matter how short a length of time this. Can you honestly imagine a material that could survive the flux of space-time curvature inverting on itself? How much energy do you think this would take? How much energy do you think it would take to keep it from reverting back to its normal flow?
Keep in mind that gravitons are messenger particles exchanged with other particles in order to generate the stress-energy tenser. Can a material with inverted gravitons even exchange them with the gravitons of a substance with normal gravitons?
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I think you misunderstand how matter stays together, you think matter stays together by each atom having it's own gravity pull which holds it close to other atoms. That's funny, and wrong.
Redirection of gravitons will have no effect on the elementary structural integrity of matter.
And I think you misunderstand how gravity works, you think gravity acts only on the whole of a material and not its component particles. That's funny, and wrong.
You see I can make base, overgeneralized assumptions about other people instead of actual meaningful discussion that includes evidence to support the point I am making too, but that doesn't really do any favors for anyone now does it?
Just because particles are held together by weak interaction, strong interaction, and electromagnetism in addition to gravitation, does not mean you can just knock one entirely out of flux and expect everything to be hunky dory. Gravitation may be the weakest of the four forces at the subatomic particle level, and your theory might work fine outside the gravity well of any cosmic body. Problem is, that isn't the case. You are completely ignoring the fact the force of gravity increases the larger the masses in play are. A single particle still has an accelleration of 9.8 m/s^2 on Earth.
Even if this material were to redirect that force just as you say and not shear itself apart in the process, that means it would simply accelerate 9.8 m/s^2 in a different direction. Meaning the moment it was mined out of Eris, it would have flung itself straight into space.
I would appreciate it if you would not make base, overgeneralized assumptions about other people. Thanks.
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-_- All things that aren't shearing themselves at this moment in time, HAVE molecular "bonds" (There are several more subcategories you have to go through, than simply calling them 'bonds') that are stronger than gravity already.
So what you're saying is, in simple terms, "This metal better be made of matter or it's not going to exist!" Which doesn't make sense.
Either you're trying to act smart by attempting to undermine my justification with your falsification of published science, or you simply don't understand me.
Also, gravitons theoretically ACT on matter. They are not what matter is composed of. They are a third influence, in case you misunderstand. Think electromagnestism. On a sidenote, matter is not held together by the individual gravity of each atom If you were thinking that then ...well, don't. I understand why you made the mistake but don't continue with it, it's wrong.
Yes, and if this material were to 'redirect' gravitons, that would mean that the component particles would be capable of doing this. If you have a particle that is acted upon by a graviton that responds by shunting it off in a different direction, chances are that graviton will likely then hit another particle in the alloy. Now you have an alloy which has a constantly shifting internal force of gravity. You're going to tell me something like that can remain structural integrity? The only way this would work is if the alloy in question were one particle thick and would increasingly risk breaking itself apart the more it became parallel to the force of gravity.
EDIT: The only way a material like Oxium would work is if the Orokin/Corpus managed to manufacture a material that despite not possessing a Higgs field, still maintains enough of a nuclear force between its now massless subatomic particles to actually form atoms in the first place, likely through a different subatomic particle which in the real world doesn't exist. The Space Magic particle.
The whole debate over how something like Oxium could exist is a secondary issue overall, though. The real issue that makes no sense at all is why the Corpus are using this new found rare, undoubtedly valuable magic metal in robots whose primary role is self-destruction. This is like a Captain Planet villain who hijacks an oil taker to sink it and cause a big oil spill of the coast of Australia to damage the fragile ecosystem of the great barrier reef, instead of selling the oil in South America or China and making lots of money and not attracting the ire of five adolescents of questionable social adjustment with the power to command the elements and also summon a blue Superman knock-off.
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https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/170071-oxium-related-to-new-warframe/
This alloy might be lighter than air not due to weight.
However, gravitons are a subject in quantum physics whereby gravity is a phenomenon experienced by us due to the exertion of these particles.
The alloy might simply redirect gravitons in the opposite direction to which usually their influence is normally applied, so instead of falling downwards the alloy falls upwards.
Like how semi-conductors redirect the flow of electrons rather than denying/allowing them, this alloy can simply be a material that innately reconducts gravitons.
If this were true, the molecular/atomic/subatomic bonds of the individual atoms composing the alloy would have to be stronger than the force of gravity the alloy is 'redirecting' or else the alloy would shear itself apart into its component particles.
There is basically no way to justify that other than very strong magnetism or Space Magic.
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That's the question.
If one person can rig the results of an event, heck, if he or someone else is skilled enough they can do more damage than that.
But still, would kill for a Warframe app where you could chat with other players, view alerts and build items in the foundry. I guess we already have the alerts part, but we need more.
What possible things could someone break by abusing the open IRC client, other than the chat itself? That being said, why would anyone bother?
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So while washing my long and luxurious hair in the shower today, I began thinking deeper into the mysteries of the little action game peg that is consistently slammed into a misshapen MMO hole. Since end-game content consists of running the same two missions until you go insane and commit ritual suicide with your own keyboard, talking to your clan-mates in clan chat about your feelings in order to stave off the aforementioned insanity, or posting things on the forums, I have chosen the latter.
Also, for anyone wondering, the Cicero event trophy looks very similar to a human heart if it had developed some sort of disease and had LED lights imbedded above the left and right atrium. I would liken it to a modern art piece expressing the breakdown of face-to-face interpersonal relationships in modern western society due to increasingly rapid advances in communication technology, and the callous disregard for other human beings brought on by the competition necessary to survive in a capitalist society. To further illustrate this point, Warbros #1.
Now without further rambling, lets move on to something to do with lore.
The first thing I considered was the nature of the Sentients. The point was brought up that a name like 'the Sentients' would imply that their physiological makeup was of something that the Orokin would not normally consider sentient. An alternative option would be that their name stemmed from the fact that at one time they were not sentient but achieved sentience during the time of the Orokin. I find the latter option a little less likely than the former, as this would mean there was a clear technological gap between the two species which would not be conducive to a 'war'. Such a fight would more than likely be a 'one-sided slaughter' and not cause the Orokin to engage in biochemical warfare. The other option would mean that the Sentients were probably either plant-like or fungus-like, or completely inorganic like a sentient machine or mineral. While the idea of the Sentients being thinking rocks is amusing, it is also implausible as rocks completely lack any kind of locomotion and do not possess the capability to evolve like living things. This leaves us with an evolved plant or fungus life, or machines created by the Orokin or some other phantom third species that has yet to ever be mentioned. While it was posed in this thread that they may have been machines I do not like this theory. The three types of Ancients as well as the boss Lephantis look nothing like machines. Their abilities, all save the Ancient Disruptor, also have nothing inherently machine-like about them either. While the back-halos that all Ancients have certainly appear to be manufactured, they could have been a component of Sentient armor or dress. There is also nothing to suggest that it is not in fact organic and some part of Sentient biology. Thus, I would conclude that the Sentients were not machine-like in nature but either fungal or plant-like.
As a side note, while the Orokin creating sentient machines that then turned on them that then were infected by a biochemical virus by their creators to subdue and eradicate them that then proceeded to kill them anyway would be funny, I can't in all seriousness see that as being how it all went down.
The next thing I thought about was technocyte. What are the necessary requirements for it to work? The answer I came up with was that all Technocyte needs to work is a host capable of independent conscious thought. Technocyte essentually functions like an appendage; the brain sends signals to the technocyte through the nervous system, and the technocyte does what it was signaled to do. This is why technocyte worked on both humans and the Sentients; the difference between the two was that the technocyte infecting the Sentients was designed to spread, infect, and mutate whereas the technocyte administered to the Tenno was designed to fuse to the host's biology and then become inert. This is why the Corpus, whom we know have captured and experimented on Tenno, did not just extract technocyte from captured Tenno and begin implanting it into themselves to create an army of their own Tenno or technocyte-infused super robots. The simple fact of the matter was that they couldn't; the technocyte would not work and was useless once removed from the host. I believe this has something to do with a connection between the conscious thought of the host and the technocyte itself; Lephantis, J-3, and Phorid can all communicate with the Tenno through some kind of thought-sending because while different in purpose and strain, they too have technocyte merged into their biology. Nyx can also control the minds of others by utilizing the inherent space magic that apparently exists within technocyte.
I have made mention of technocyte infecting machines, despite that overtly, we have only ever seen it affecting organic creatures. However, I do believe that technocyte can, at least in limited fashion, interface with machines even should they not possess any kind of A.I. allowing a form of conscious thought. There are a few reasons for this. Firstly, ciphers and friendship doors; the Lotus does not hack these for you. The Tenno, however, do not show any kind of training or skill at programming. If they did, they would presumably not need to drag a data mass all the way to a ship's navigation console; they would just hack the system, key in the co-ordinates the Lotus tells them to, and then be on their way. So how do Tenno hack ciphers and friendship doors? Their technocyte allows them to interface with the console. While it may be easy to argue that the Grineer might happen to have horrible data security, the same cannot be said for the Corpus, whose entire faction programs and manufactures robots for a living. Being able to break that kind of security would be no easy feat even for someone skilled in computer programming, therefore there has to be some force leveling the playing field and allowing the Tenno to breach and reprogram smaller-scale electronics. In essence, technocyte is a freakish merging of an organic virus and an inorganic compound that allows it to bridge the gap between bio-engineering and regular not-bio-engineering, as can be implied by the name 'technocyte'; techno meaning relating to technology, and cyte meaning a mature biological cell. Put it together in the right order and you have 'A mature biological cell relating to technology'.
Why then do we not see Infested robots from when they attack the Corpus? Robots and most electronics follow rudimentary processes and programming and cannot act outside the scope of it. This is not conscious, independent thought, so while it might still be technically possible for the Infested to infect a robot or a console or the like, nothing comes of it because a robot and a console cannot think for itself and therefore cannot use the technocyte it has been infected with. An AI, however, might very well be a candidate for Infestation. Until DE does something contrary or supportive of this, however, it is mostly speculative.
I also thought about the nature of warframes themselves, and came to a conclusion. Looking at the Tenno hostages, and accepting that the definition of a Tenno is a technocyte-infused human, it is reasonable to assume that warframes are a suit and not the Tenno itself. However, the relationship between warframe and Tenno is deeper than simply the relation between a man wearing armor, all thanks to the technocyte possessed by the Tenno. To illustrate; Why can't S&M Susan just activate World on Fire and walk herself out of captivity? Why can't Gimpsuit Gary Rhino Stomp anytime he is in danger? The answer is that technocyte by itself, even when merged to a Tenno, is close to useless. How do Tenno use their magic space powers, then? Their warframes are the conduit through which technocyte can be utilized for space magic. Much like a Warhammer 40k Asartes marine has the black carapace which allows them to interface completely with their powered armor, the Tenno have their technocyte to interface with their warframe. This makes a warframe less like a suit of armor and more like the shell of a beetle; if stripped away carefully a beetle can continue living without a shell, but it is undoubtedly unpleasant and potentially life threatening. This is also why it is the warframe that determines what powers can be used, and not the individual Tenno. -
Once upon a time I stopped sleeping for a length of time that many would consider physiologically unsafe. During this time I became bored and decided to write my own background for the setting of warframe. Rather than going back and fixing spelling and gramatical errors that are probably present like a responsible human being, I will instead post this historical record unedited. This is due in part to a mix of laziness and also the idea that some of these errors may possibly be funny if taken completely out of context. Also, Warbros #1.
I should note that this is not really fanfiction, but a set of logical deductions about the setting based on precious few tidbits of setting that DE has bothered to write.
Basically, the way I see the timeline is as follows:
Once upon a time in a land far, far away, there existed two species: The Orokin and the Sentients. Supporting evidence that the Orokin and the Sentients did not originate in the Sol system is that while artifacts from the Orokin have been discovered, there has been absolutely no trace of any Sentient architecture or technology. This would imply that, at the bare minimum, the Sentients were an extra-solar species and that the war between them and the Orokin was conducted elsewhere. I personally do not find it feasible, even given space magic, for war to be conducted across solar systems due to the sheer distance that would have to be crossed in order to run the supply lines necessary for warfare. If ship travel where to be advanced enough to make this not an issue, I would then reason that the technology of the Orokin and/or the Sentients in areas other than ship travel would be several orders of magnitude larger than what we have been presented with. Furthermore, I would reason that for there to be a 'war' and not a 'one-sided slaughter' between the Orokin and the Sentients, their level of technology relative to each other would have to be similar enough to make it so. If the Orokin were capable of effective cross-system warfare, the Orokin artifacts we find would be far more impressive. Therefore, it is my opinion that both the Sentients and the Orokin were extra-solar species existing in the same system.
Next, for whatever reason, the Orokin and the Sentients developed a wish to kill each other. It is my opinion that the Orokin were initially either on the losing side of the war, the war was largely a stalemate, or the casualties suffered by the Orokin were or were projected to be so high as to be unacceptable. In a message from the Lotus when fighting the J-3 golem (at least back when he was on Jupiter) it is stated that the infested were created by the Orokin to battle the Sentients. If the Orokin were capable of winning the war on their own without creating horrible bio-engineered abominations to help them out, I am sure they would have. It has also been implied that the Infested have some relation to the technocyte virus which is also implied to have some relation to warframes themselves.
From this, I would reason that the Sentients no longer exist because the Orokin loosed a biological contaminant onto the Sentient forces, which killed and warped them into what is now known as the infested. This biological contaminant was either the precursor of what would become the Technocyte virus used to create the warframes, or an incomplete or re-purposed version of that virus used in haste to bring a swift and decisive end to the conflict. A possible option but one I find less likely is that the Technocyte virus used to make warframes is the very same that warped the Sentients, its effects caused by physiological incompatibility with Sentient biology. I find this less likely purely on the notion that such a thing would be entirely too convenient, and that this would also mean that the Infested technically have the potential to create new warframes by infesting biologically compatible entities. Until such a thing happens, I am ruling this option out.
Taking a look at the Infested, where crawlers and runners are clearly based off of Corpus spacemen, and chargers are based off Grineer, the term 'Ancient' I believe refers to how old they are relative to the other, newer species inducted into the Infested. Putting everything together, I believe that the Ancients among the infested are actually the horribly mutated and twisted remnants of the Sentients. While I understand I can only say that now, since in earlier builds of the game Ancients were just sized-up runners, I can nonetheless say that. So there.
After killing off most of the Sentients and leaving the survivors mutated beyond recognition, the Orokin leave their home system to eventually find the Sol system. Their departure is caused either in anticipation that the newly created infested will destroy their forces still soft from the recent war, or they leave exactly because they have already begun to suffer attack. The perceived lack of intelligence among the infested brings confidence in that their trek across the stars will not be pursued after.
The Orokin arrive in the Sol system and begin an age of co-habitation and co-operation among the human population. It is during this time that the Orokin perfect the Technocyte virus and begin using it on select humans to create the Tenno; humans biologically modified by a manufactured designer virus, whose physiological make-up is such that calling them 'human' would no longer be correct. This is done for several reasons: The Orokin do not want to test on their own species, it puts agents of the Orokin into human society for both security and information gathering purposes, and it makes the Orokin look good in the eyes of humanity by sharing powerful technology. Humanity is pleased, and the Tenno are praised as the pinnacle of scientific achievement. The creation of the warframes used by the Tenno soon follow, and their training is overseen by the Orokin.
Some time after the advent of the Tenno and their warframes, the first vanguards of the Infested make their way from the Orokin home system to the Sol system. The Tenno among other military forces are sent to fight off the invaders, and after several prolonged battles the vanguards are destroyed before they can establish a hold within the Sol system. The Tenno are lauded as saviors by the Orokin, their 'cold and gold emperors'. However, things are not as hunky dory as they would first appear. The Orokin are intimately aware that the bulk of the Infested are probably still in-transit and will eventually reach the Sol system, and this terrifies them. The Orokin, ever since the first report of Infested vanguards reaching the Sol system was made, had begun making preparations to depart and head elsewhere just as they did in ages past. Humanity managed to discover this plan, and put two and two together to come to the realization that the Orokin were fleeing the Infested. Outraged that the Orokin had presumably led such a dangerous foe to them, and then had the audacity to try to escape without cleaning up their mess, humanity sought the Tenno who were once their kin. At first, the Tenno were unwilling to betray their cold and gold emperors, but as Orokin ships began to vanish in ones and twos, the Tenno agreed to act.
This act would lead to the events the Stalker recalls in his codex entry. The Tenno, feeling betrayed by the Orokin's cowardice, butchered their cold and gold emperors. This act would also have unintended consequences, as the Orokin began to lock their remaining ships and sanctuaries in the void. Finding themselves imprisoned within the void, the Tenno entered cryo-sleep to await the day that they would be awoken and released. Not all Tenno would partake in this slaughter and subsequent imprisonment, however. A select few would remain in real-space and begin the slow, meticulous process of freeing their brothers and sisters one by one. These Tenno would create the Lotus AI to help facilitate this endeavor. Still fewer Tenno would end up like the Stalker and separate from their kin entirely, believing the fate of the Orokin to be excessive and/or undeserved, and feeling as though their kin had betrayed what was in essence their own parents.
After the Tenno withdraw from the Sol system, the Infested begin their attack in force, and humanity quickly finds itself outmatched by the invaders. While the majority of humanity sets up defenses on and around Earth, a portion of humanity takes to the stars. With ships incapable of inter-system travel, they reason that keeping mobile through the system is a preferable method of war than stubbornly holding onto one location, given the Infested nature of overwhelming a position with superior numbers. While largely successful, a severe limit on resources caused by limited storage space aboard ships promotes a prevailing sense of greed, a drive for robotics to provide both military and labor strength without increasing their own numbers and therefore increasing their drain on perishable resources, and an oppressive need for control. This would form the groundwork for the ideology, combat doctrine, and brainwashing programs of the Corpus faction.
Back on Earth, humanity responds to the superior numbers of the Infested by developing a way to make superior numbers of their own: cloning. The program was initially developed by military R&D to mass-produce quality soldiers quickly and effectively, and shortly thereafter was expanded to include key military and political individuals as well, the creator of the cloning program among them; the genetic predecessor to Tyl Regor. As the war dragged on, subtle deviations began to emerge in the cloning stock used as templates. Initially written off as inconsequential in light of the pressing danger presented by the infested, by the time the Infested had been beaten back enough to where the people of Earth were provided some breathing room, degeneracy within the cloning stock had progressed past the point of return. To their horror, when the problem was brought up and addressed by the council, it was found that in the course of the fighting the program's creator had needed to be cloned several times and no longer remembered key details of the process. Documentation of the process had also become incomplete as ground had been repeatedly ceded to the enemy and retaken, including data centers which held this information and whose defense was passed up in lieu of defending the cloning facilities themselves.
Finding themselves unable to solve the problem quickly and unable to stop the project lest they be over-run without their numbers, both the project and the degeneracy continued. This would come to define the foundation of the Grineer empire. As degeneracy increased, it was found that female subjects on average fared better than their male counterparts, as female physiology tended to be more robust as an evolutionary side effect to help survive child birth. This difference in physiology aided in the survival rate of the extensive cybernetic modifications that were swiftly becoming not only commonplace to bridge the gap caused by faulty cloning, but also as a sign of status and prestige as Grineer society rapidly developed a strong value on martial strength. Over time this triggered the shift in society from a patriarchal to the current matriarchal society of the Grineer empire.
Eventually, the combined efforts of the new Grineer empire and the Corpus would push the Infested back to their derelicts on the edge of the system, and they would turn their attention toward each other and the Tenno. The Grineer, remembering the Tenno but fearing their strength as a threat to their empire, would give the order to keep them asleep at all cost. The Corpus, seeking to strengthen their own forces and make a profit while doing so, would seek out the lost Orokin vaults. This shift in attention would prompt the Lotus AI to step up its efforts in waking up and recovering the Tenno from their cryogenic prisons.
An indeterminate time after waking, a strange man would try to sell Tenno strange weapons of dubious usefulness using an arcane currency with terrible exchange rates. Much later, these schemes would be remembered as the reason the Grineer came to control Mars, and why Alad V was thrown out of the Corpus conglomerate.
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+1 OP. Sounds good, it is definitely time that sort of thing got cleaned up.
The video embed seems to be broken on my end though, could you pop a normal link in your post as well for other users who can't see the embedded video?
Done and done.
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This video about sums it up. A faster and more efficient way to fuse multiple mods at once would be greatly appreciated.
EDIT: Because I was curious, I took note of the times that each speedup occurred.
Fusion starts at 0:16 and goes at normal speed until 0:36. [0:20]
At 0:36, it double-times to 1:03. [0:27 x 2 = 0:54]
From 1:03 to 1:30 it moves at ten times speed. [0:27 x 10 = 4:30]
Lastly, thirty times speed is from 1:30 to 1:43. [0:13 x 30 = 6:30]
In total, it took a total of 12:14 to fuse. Twelve minutes of doing nothing but clicking on mods.
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I can see that sorta...outdoor tileset #1, global chat system, sentinels, 2 frames, 3 weapons, one game mode, one attack animation.
We've had attack animations since, more tilesets, recruiting chat, frames and weapons galore, we also got survival mode. *shrug* idk that honestly doesn't seem like a super change or anything compared to what we have in the pipe right now.
The change to the mod system and weapon/warframe leveling system literally changed the entire metagame.
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Damage/Armor 2.0
Aura System
Melee system is getting scrapped/replaced
Game modes are being changed
Last change in dev history what? Where you been man :b
Largest, not last. I would invite you to look at http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Update_7 and compare them yourself.
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Then why are you grand master ?? If i can ask nicely
In addition to the platinum costs and design council, some of us got GM packages back in Update 6, when the game was an actual beta instead of a beta-because-it-is-a-convenient-excuse-for-problems beta. The transition from update 6 to update 7 was probably the largest change made to the game in its entire development history, and I feel a lot of GM's probably purchased their packs around that time because Update 7 was an exciting and fun time to be playing in. Subsequent updates have been increasingly less interesting and less content-heavy, lending to a feeling of overall stagnation. Things that were talked about and promised back in the U6-U7 transition (Trading, etc.) still have yet to be implemented, which does not reflect well on the direction the game is taking.
Long story short, back in the day Warframe looked like a much more attractive prospect than it does today.
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Is there any reason why the Glaive could not be added into the pool of Defense/Spy/Raid/Capture/whatever mission rewards, perhaps in addition to the alert system?
That way, at the very least there is some way players can actively work towards getting it that does not necessarily comprimise its rarity, instead of sitting around and waiting for an alert?
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I like how DE actually bothers to track stats like this. More places should do this.
Could you imagine if, for example, FromSoft tracked how many people died in Dark Souls?
Also as a side note, we have almost killed an entire Indonesia's worth of Grineer. As of their 2010 census, their population was listed as 237,641,326. Indonesia is also the fourth-most populous country on the planet.
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Yep, Chat server is down for me again, this time with a 10061.
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Ok really, I have honestly had enough of this.
We are beta testers. Our job is to test things. Our job to help them fix their game. That's the reason for a beta test. When you take your car in to get checked by a mechanic, the mechanic is not going to tell you that your spark plugs are in pristine condition and that he's never seen such a good looking power steering belt; he's going to tell you that your brake pads need to be replaced, the motor for your windshield wipers are burned out, and that your engine has an oil leak. Just to be extra super clear since this thread has been nothing but nitpicking semantics, in this analogy Digital Extremes is the owner of the car, the car is Warframe, and the mechanics checking the vehicle are us. If all you are going to do is tell the owner of the car what looks good on their vehicle, then when they get on the freeway to drive home they are liable to crash because nobody told them that their brake pads were worn out and that the braking ability of the car was compromised.
We know what Digital Extremes is doing right. We don't need to be told that. We wouldn't be playing this game in the first place if there was literally nothing good that this game did right. At the same time, we're not necessarily going to tell Digital Extremes what they're doing right, because that's not the reason we're here in the first place; just like the auto mechanic couldn't care less about your spark plugs being in peak condition. As a beta tester, your job is to find bugs and problems and point them out for Digital Extremes to fix them. If you're not doing that, you're not doing your job and have no business being a beta tester.
Make no mistake; I am not saying that if someone points out a problem that you do not feel is a problem, that you shouldn't step up and say you don't think that needs to be fixed. That's part of the beta testing process as well. If a developer tried to fix the problems of every tester, the game would never launch. However, the purpose of this thread is not about a bug or a gameplay element or feature; it's about the speed and rate at which Digital Extremes releases content. Secondarily, this thread is about comparing Ditigal Extreme's progress on warframe with other developer projects with smaller team sizes, funding, or both. Anything else is off-topic.
If you would like to elucidate everyone on all the good things Digital Extremes is doing for Warframe, please make a different thread.
On a completely different note than the one above, let's cover some bad arguments present in this thread and why they are bad arguments.
Are we qualified to discuss this? Absolutely. Working in the game industry or having management experience is not required to formulate an opinion on this subject, nor is it required to make a conjecture about the way Digital Extremes does business. Experience does not automatically make you correct, nor does it automatically validate or prove any claim a person might make. If I did not have certification in 3D art and animation and stated that Autodesk Maya has a better animation suite than 3DSMax, that statement would still be correct because Autodesk Maya DOES have a better animation suite. The question that should be asked is not "Well do you have any experience?", it should be "Can you please explain how you have reached that conclusion?". All screaming about experience, qualifications, and/or authority does is fill up the discussion with fallacious logic and miscommunication that has no business here.
Let's cover another argument that has no business being here; "We do not have all the facts, therefore we cannot make a judgement on the issue". The long and short of it is that yes we can, and not having all the facts present does not make a claim any less true or false. This is another fallacy that has no business in actual big-boy debate. If I were to take a look at a broken down vehicle with a busted engine, and without checking the engine said "That car's engine must be busted", the engine does not magically fix itself because I made a claim without having all the facts. The engine remains busted, and the claim remains true. Again, the question to ask in this case would be "Can you please explain how you have reached that conclusion", not continually pointing out the same thing over and over as if it actually means something.
Lastly, "But that's just your opinion". No. If the only thing you have to add is pointing out someone's opinion being an opinion, please have some self control and do not post anything at all, because doing so is a waste of space. If you want to post that someone's trying to pass off an opinion as fact and give a valid reason as to why you believe so, go right ahead.
If you are going to make an argument that follows any of the three above, please have some self control and either a) not post and browse a different thread, or b) take some extra time, sit down, and elaborate on your argument instead of spewing fallacies in everyone's face. There have been good arguments and bad arguments in this thread; don't be someone with a bad argument.
As an example, if someone says "Warframe has only ~15k players in it, that is sad" you could reply with "You don't know that because you don't have all the facts!" or you could reply with http://steamgraph.net/index.php?action=graph&appid=230410 and point out that this metric only reports on steam users and does not even factor in PS4 users or PC users who use the launcher from Closed Beta and never migrated to steam.
Again; don't be someone with a bad argument. Do your research, think critically, THEN post.