Nisotak
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I tried a new build just after the ember change announcements were published and have been playing it with the new changes.
I was using a continuity / constitution duration build for world on fire.
Two things were bugging me about Ember. I was squishy and I never seemed to have enough energy.
So instead of trying to always have a pocket Trinity with me I tried to make the tools I had work for me and I came up with something that I enjoy.
http://cloud-4.steamusercontent.com/ugc/544142474638458441/C3A501DF2932B3939A0E6E161E2734AA9E2582D1/
I ignore shields, use rage and quick thinking with a big energy pool and efficiency to be able to spam Accelerant to stun things, fireball to kill heavies, fire blast to knock big groups apart (great when a bunch of stuff is clustered around somebody you need to res or around a defense objective) and world on fire when I can fit it in.
I use a Boar Prime modded for viral and heat damage, a bolto with entropy spike and heat damage to break bubbles and a heat damage / full life strike Sheev to get health back.
Has worked well in multiple T4 defense to 30-35, T4 survival to 40 and ODS to 40 as well as numerous Ceres / Pluto / Eris alerts and other void missions.
Have not tried ODD yet.
These have been in PUGs with non coordinated teams. Would probably work further with full on corrosive projection / viral weapons, etc. but at 40 min I'm ready to get up and stretch my legs and get a glass of water anyway :P
I can take a hit from a bombard rocket, stun them, fireball and carve them up with the sheev and be back at full health with some extra energy to spare.
Enjoying the new fire blast mechanic. Wish it worked with Fire Fright but I'm not sure where I'd fit that in. Maybe drop Intensify?
I'm going to try her with glaive prime and the new stance.
Try new things. See what works for you.
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Fun event, great stance.
I tried Mag which didn't work for me and ended up on valk with a channeling lifestrike build on glaive prime where I would copter in and murder the nulls then warcry to slow stuff down and use paralysis to knock down the moas.
Had nxy shielding the rover, mirage causing general chaos and a rhino who was roaring, stomping and helping move the rover along.
Took 3 trys to get it down by talking to the group and trying different things and then smooth sailing.
Used specters, restores and all the other tools DE gives us.
Try talking to your group and using tactics.
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My Valk works as a team player. The slow from Warcry and making everything fall down from paralysis with the prolonged paralysis mod is working for me to support my team and take out hard targets fast.
Once things get crazy having hysteria available for emergency ressing under fire is working for me.
I use a warcry / lifestrike / paralysis build with ripline for mobiliy.
My setup here:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=379588479
Weapon here:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=379588535
The high corrosive damage and fast attack speed burns through armor even with only a 33% status chance.
I am almost constantly in channeling mode.
Energy is sometimes a problem if I can't take enough damage or find orb in which case I stand still for a bit and let things shoot me to recharge.
40 min ODS, ODD, T4D, T4S, etc. no problem.
I was running a duration build with limited range but find this much more fun and dynamic. I can copter into the middle of a group next to a heavy, use paralysis, warcry, everything is slowed, kill the lights, take care of the heavy on the ground, move on.
For bubbles I either switch to a throwing secondary and pop them at range or slide attack or ground slam in if there is only one nullifier.
Fun, effective, team player.
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Forma blueprints are dropping a lot in higher void missions now.
I have a lot of spares.
Please let me trade them to the void trader for 5 ducats.
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Given, In a T4 Survival at minute 50....
How do you eliminate a group of enemies that looks something like: a nullifier guarded by 4 bombards and another 2 nullifiers with a group of corrupted lancers and ancient eximus healer.
Now, in the void whenever I drop,.... 95% of the time it was because there was/were nullifiers near by. I see its not the nullifier that`s powerful. It`s when they have a team.
Invisible loki pops bubble then radial disarm with irradiating disarm mod.
Not sure what frame you were using?
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So, um. I wonder if it's a legitimate bug, or is it working as intended (In which case it would be ridiculous.)
I was visited by my old frenemies, the Grusrtag Three, when I was alone and peacefully slaying the grineer in their own base for the sake of New Loka (daily mission). Lights flashed, the ring around me appeared - and I prepared myself for the fight. I found a good room, stood in a place to leap behind cover if the things get messy... and... died.
Just like that.
All I saw was Leekter (Hammer guy) spawning like twenty or so meters away from me, and upon their arrival, both my carrier and Nyx just died. No damage, no bullet shot by either of the shooting guys... nothing. Just fell down and bled out. And, of course, failed my mission.
Has anyone experienced anything like that as well?
(Note: I tried to cast Chaos as they appeared, because I saw some grineers running into the room. I've heared the cast sound, but I don't think if it worked because I instantly fell down. Could it be it?)
Vem Tabook and his burst fire electric Hek has murdered my entire squad a few times.
I prefer to keep moving backwards through the mission (if we've cleared to avoid running into as many new spawns) and hope they spawn behind me so we can break them up a bit. Putting out a spectre to draw fire has worked for me.
Best time was when they spawned and my Raksa Kubrow growled. All feared and slowed and running away from us. Bang, Bang, Bang.
Killed two of them but then Vem turned around and shot us all to death.
Thankfully we were able to take him down during bleed out and use a revive to get back up.
Best use of a revive so far :)
As a Nxy maybe get into absorb? You should be able to absorb the initial attack, knock them down and figure out what to do next?
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Rep farming is not done in towers, stop using buzz words to try and make your case heavier.
Rep farming is done in interception maps. Rep farming is not all "just stand there press 4", I suppose it is for the excaliburs.
Its like you werent around for the backlash of the recent nerf of excal. I mean you really want all that again?
Somebody posted a great link in the thread that I had not read yet
From DE_Steve
https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/345295-vivergate-vent-radioactive-gas-yn/
"Our ‘press 4 to win’ ultimates are metered primarily by the supply of energy. Finding an energy loophole means that Homer’s drinking bird can play the game for you. That is not team synergy. That is just broken.
This fall, starting with Excalibur, we’ve begun to take a hard look at these ‘X-Ray AOE’ abilities and wonder if we can bring more elements of skill back in. That’s the short answer to ‘why the hell is DE messing with us’. Homer’s drinking bird should not play the game for you."
I was around for it. I was mad as hell that Trinity, Mag and Excal, all frames that I enjoy played were being "nerfed" because of "rep farming".
I read this post with the great graph that explained WHY people were doing it.
https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/345102-de-doesnt-understand-viver/
Syndicate rep was broken from the get go. People wanted the shiny new toys (I like toys!) so they figured out the shortest most effective way to get that done.
But now I have to deal with "rep farming" meta bleeding over into my games where it is stopping me from having fun.
44444444
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This game requires skill.
- Communication
Talk to your team how you are going to play together and if the current team setup is good.
- Knowledge
You need to learn that a Mesa in her ultimate or an Excalibur doing his job by applying aoe kind of damage cannot target specific enemies. Those did their job. It was your job to not go make a coffee but instead deal with the remaining enemies.
- Experience
Knowing when ( and which ) enemies will kill the pod within a split second so you might want to put your coffeee away and take care of them. That the damage dealer frames kill whole waves at the beginnning and you are bored cause you have nothing to do doesnt mean you can now AFK until wave 500.
After all you have written the only one who did something horribly wrong is you. The damage dealers kill everything the first few waves. If that stage of a mission bores you I cant help you ( and a nerf wont help you either because only 5 waves later you will seriously need their damaging abilities ). An endless mission is not the same all the time. Not all of the 40-60 minutes of playtime can be made purely so you can enjoy it. I am sure your teammates werent too fond of a player like you who thought he wouldnt have to do anything at all in the game because the first few waves were easy.
BTW : I lost 2 Defenses recently as well due to looting. Something like this happens. We didnt have any Excaliburs or Mesas in team. Actually it was my Banshee who made teammates think the pod would be safe for ever. But a single Heavy gunner will kill the pod within a split second and if everyone was looting then thats just an experience to learn from and not to blame teammates. I learned that I will stay at the pod until every dangerous enemy has been defeated. Problem solved.
I don't drink coffee. Maybe I should take it up.
I had my sip of water before the game started, I was ready to go but unfortunately besides breaking a few bubbles I spent most of my time just trying to find something to shoot. I stopped being engaged. The other players stopped being engaged. The guy standing on the energy restore and pressing 4444444 wasn't engaged.
Even if we would have left at 20 with our "free" loot it still would not have been an enjoyable game.
"rep farming" meta play is not fun.
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Literally your entire issue is solved by not playing with pugs
I have played with pugs since I started the game a year ago and have not had this problem before.
Other problems sure, horrible players, rude players, trolls, the works.
But as far as I can tell the player who was sitting on the energy restore and pressing 4 to clear the whole map while everybody else tried to find something to do wasn't trolling. They were trying to help with this neat new "rep farming" meta. "Just stand there and press 4".
Too bad it wasn't fun for anybody else.
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Lol I dont think you can white knight one of the lamest frames in the game (objectively)
My first frame and my most played frame.
I still have a lot of fun with him (but I don't build him to stand on an energy restore and 44444444).
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So, instead of scolding the people who weren't paying attention which I'm assuming was also yourself because you must've said nothing, you're saying you don't want Excaliburs in your lobby anymore?
I don't want any player who thinks that sitting on an energy restore and spamming an ability over and over again to the point that nobody else can even shoot anything for 20 waves until they get bored ruining my enjoyment of the game.
Even if we extract at 20 and get the "free" loot, I didn't have fun and I don't think the other 2 players did either. Maybe "4444444" did or maybe it was just homers drinking bird at work....
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- So you played a T4 Defence without a defensive frame and failed twice in a row ?
- You did not switch to a defensive frame yourself ( I would do that if I landed in a group without a defensive frame ) ?
- Then you blame others for your decisions because they dealt lots of damage and you couldnt even do the remaining tiny bit of defense ?
- Then you ask for a nerf to frames because they were too weak to achieve the objective ?
Rage defeats logic ? Leave the frames alone and think how you can get a better player IMHO. BTW I never experienced something like this - personally I experience most of the time there are too few damage dealers in a Tower defense team so I really dont want the few damage frames in game to be nerfed.
We had a frost on the second mission.
First mission was a loki that I saw used disarm the few times he could get close enough to something before the excal pinned it to a wall, a banshee (sound quake is excellent CC), I was on a zephyr and we had the excal.
After 20 waves of "Something over there! Oh no, it's dead already." I don't blame anybody for not being on their game any more.
I find damage dealers are easy. People that use their frames abilities to crowd control and buff each other are much harder.
I've had the pleasure of playing with Rhinos that actually used roar to buff, charge for positioning and locked threats down with stomp instead of just casting iron skin and holding the trigger on their boltor prime down but they have been rare.
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Why OP don't blame yourself and other two that not trying to defense the pod/terminal ? and all OP posts not a single word to blame other teammate who run around the whole map to loot all items "DAMN I'm too busy to loot items I can't go to pod and defense that let excal do his job"
Frost trying to defense the pod with his skill and you gonna kill some enemies with semi-useless explosion mods in end-game name Entropy Spike for bolto or Thunderbolt for bows/attica w/e ..... AHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
you really should stop blame a Press 4 to win Excal and look at yourself with some useless stuff.
"OH LOOK I HAVE FKING MINI EXPLOSION IN MY WEAPONS I'LL KILL ALL THING WITH THAT TILL 60 WAVES"
- MIssion failed at 20 GG
- no teamplay-skill, no tactical to play with other, no good stuff to kill enemies WELL We better blame press 4 to win excal "THAT ALL YOU FAULT MAKE US BORING AS S#&$ WE DON'T GIVE A FK ANYMORE LEFT THAT POD ALONE"
Try an explosive weapon like the bolto with entropy spike or attica with thunderbolt on the "game breaking" nullifiers and get back to me.
I'll wait.
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give me a few minutes to get my setup and all my information :)
edit :
Processor: Intel® Core i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz (8 CPUs), ~3.5GHzMemory: 8192MB RAMCard name: AMD Radeon HD 7700 Seriesnot sure how to find out my powersupply without taking my case off and its to late for that if you need any other specs lemme knowGPU-Z is a great little utility that will tell you everything about your graphics card
http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/
You card is probably a 7770 which isn't a bad card but it is getting old.
Power supply is pretty important. Some of the newer card can pull a lot of juice and some graphics cards need multiple 6 or 8 pin connectors that you may not have.
$100 isn't going to get you much of an upgrade.
$250 should get you something pretty decent.
You can get something like a R9 280X that should last you for a few years.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125726
Or save up some more a get one of the new GTX 970 cards
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125685
It also depends on what resolution you are going to be playing at. If you are at 1920x1080 a "lower" card will do fine. If you are going to explore 1440P or 4K gaming you'll need a monster card (or two!).
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"They arent playing the way that I want them too! NERF!!!!111" - OP Translation
Dude, really? Stop playing with pugs, play with people that you know. Dont try to punish others because you dont like a playstyle.
Everybody that I've met in the game is somebody I've met in a PUG. I don't want to stop meeting new people. :)
I don't consider sitting on an energy restore and pressing 4 until the map is clear a playstyle.
I consider it a way to avoid playing the game that ruins the experience for everyone else. (or maybe just me, people like "free" stuff)
I want to play the game and stay engaged with the other players. "rep farming" tactics do not do that for me.
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They made the changes because they totally misunderstood their own rep system.
https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/345102-de-doesnt-understand-viver/
After the incident, rep gains were increased by 10x and the cap was implemented to discourage farming. The initial changes to the frames were wholly unwarranted, DE actually apologized for the rushed decision, realizing that it was a childish way of attacking a symptom and not the problem itself.
https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/345295-vivergate-vent-radioactive-gas-yn/
Don't make the same misjudgement DE did and try to shift the blame and "fixes".
The pod died because your team stopped defending it, not due to the Excal spamming.
EDIT: Stray tags fixed, typos.
Thanks for those links. Great graph!
I love this part of the DE post
"Our ‘press 4 to win’ ultimates are metered primarily by the supply of energy. Finding an energy loophole means that Homer’s drinking bird can play the game for you. That is not team synergy. That is just broken.
This fall, starting with Excalibur, we’ve begun to take a hard look at these ‘X-Ray AOE’ abilities and wonder if we can bring more elements of skill back in. That’s the short answer to ‘why the hell is DE messing with us’. Homer’s drinking bird should not play the game for you."
Drinking bird makes for a boring game!
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XD.
Well there's the lesson.
Wave 20 hits, loot like mad.
Bail at 20
Enjoy your free stuff and a hot beverage while you waited.
I don't want "free" stuff. I want to play the game with other people and enjoy myself while I get it!
Sometime late waves players are going down the pod is getting swarmed, somehow we get it cleared away and avoid murdering each other with the defence lasers. Pod is showing double digit health as the shields regen. Everybody pulls together as a team and we push through to win. THAT'S fun for me.
Sitting around while somebody else clears the map for 20 waves puts me to sleep.
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Not just an Excalibur problem. This can happen to any frame with damage based radial AOE ultimate. Which is a lot of them...
I've played this a lot and this is the first time I've come across an excal using a "rep farming" build to clear the map.
I can't think of any other frames that can clear a map like that which I guess is why recruiting is full of "hosting rep farming, need excal".
I never took part in "viver" and don't "rep farm" but I was mad when DE made changes to Excal, Trinity and Mag because they are all frames I really enjoy playing.
Now I see why they did and I'm starting to think reverting the changes may not have been a good idea.
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There's the problem right there, not because someone brought Excalibur.
Who proceeded to abuse a "rep farming" tactic to make everybody else redundant for the first 20 waves.
After 20 waves of occasionally being able to shoot a bubble down before everything gets swept off the map I'm not engaged any more and from the result nobody else was either.
The last message from one of the excals was funny though
"4444444"
"4444"
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Thankfully Radial Javelin does not scale. It's a tactic, just like camping in an FPS. Like you said, at wave 20 the pod was overrun. Try bringing a Limbo and Rhino, telling everyone to get inside of your cataclysm bubble, and protect that pod. Instead of saying, "they're not playing the game", look at them and say, "With this setup, we can play the game longer and to a much more rewarding and challenging point."
Everybody go AFK until wave 20? The spawning rooms were full of loot. Stuff wasn't even getting through the doors.
I can't blame the other players.
I was getting bored trying to find that one stunlocked heavy gunner or bombard in a corner somewhere I could shoot before it died.
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Did you go in with no Frost of other pod defense? If you went in with a Frost or other poid defense, did they stop doing their part?
'Cause I mean, it sounds like, from your description, that the pod died because you and the other two non-excals weren't paying attention. Not from the Excal javving, since jav doesn't hit the pod.
First one I was zephyr with turbulence on the pod and nothing touched it until 25. I didn't see the other two players because I guess they were busy trying to gather the cores and resources that were spread out on all corners of the map.
Second one had a frost that had double bubbled the pod. I was running around popping bubbles with my thunderbolto when suddenly it was "mission" failed.
Can't really blame the other players. If you can't even see an enemy to shoot them for 20 waves why bother paying attention?
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Had two today that decided the best way to play was to sit next to pod on top of an energy restore and spam Radial Javelin.
Other players got bored and distracted because there really wasn't anything to do.
After wave 20 the pod was overrun and instant killed because nobody was paying attention any more.
Twice, in a row. With different groups.
Time to put line of sight restrictions back on Radial Javelin (and my most played warframe is Excalibur).
The "rep farmers" can figure out some other way to avoid playing the game.
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Just watched the Original Dark Sector Concept
Loved it when the Jackal came down the corridor.
Was helping someone get loki and got to meet the Hyena pack again.
These are cool enemies with cool abilities!
I think it would be fun to have them spawn in corpus missions as mini bosses like stalker and G3 but with more frequency.
Probably just a single Hyena instead of the whole pack.
Maybe tied to alert level?
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Well TBH without a Limbo or Frost the enemies pratically oneshot the Pod. x.x
Or volt, or nxy, or blind them, freeze everybody in place with sound quake while the bubbles get popped or work as a team and communicate instead of everybody running around at random while the frost sits by the pod and presses 3.
Last good game we had a volt shielding the pod, the frost throwing ice waves with the new "freeze everything in place mod", a zephyr with jet stream and I was running a mirage with a miter. I think the frost was nervous about not having a slow globe. They were on banshee but switched just before we got in.
I've played on volt shielding the pod with an awesome rhino that was great at using stomp and actually used roar (A rhino using roar, inconceivable!) a banshee with resonance and a disarm loki with the radiation mod. We went to 30 or 35 before somebody needed to get dinner.
You have to use "this and this and this" or you will fail is toxic and will make a lot less fun.
Having read some other messages about people being annoyed that their "rep farming" isn't as efficient, please close warframe and get back to your spreadsheet. I'm sure you'll find as much fun as you need there :)
I'm Enjoying Playing Ember With Rage / Quick Thinking And A Big Energy Pool
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