TheSphynx Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 (edited) I have compiled a few of the discussions from LS#14. These were the most important to me and seem to be the most discussed on the forums.Void Reward Table IssuesRebecca: With update 10.0.4 we did some fixes for the Void Reward table issues. Forma was considered to be stealth nerfed out of there. Want to talk about dilution or what happened there?Scott: I don't believe it stealth nerfed out there. We added more stuff so some of it did get diluted. The loot tables got a little scrambled up in order to balance out what was available in each mission type.Forma were discussed again:Rebecca: Someone saying "Discuss the Forma issue not dropping in the void". Sheldon: It should be nowRebecca: It was, it was just dilution.DE Drop TablesRebecca: Drop tables that indicate where to get things. There is a current debate about should it just be "where?" or should it be "where and how much?". I think the "how much" stuff is kinda off the table, but the "where?"Scott: Instead of basically just releasing them into the wild and putting them on a wiki somewhere, the plan is to hopefully put that stuff into the game. So that information is in the game.Rebecca: Like, here is what you got, where you got it. Codex, kinda.Scott: As Elder players play deeper into the game, they will have that information. Then they will inform the people. People will be able to, you know, as they play, people will get an updated list in their UI that shows this is where they got such-and-such. This type of enemy drops such-and-such. We want to put it in game. It's not that we want it to be a mystery. It's not like we are holding it back.Opinions and feedback on these topics? I feel as if Void Rewards were hardly discussed and blamed on "dilution". According to Sheldon, there should be a difference with 10.0.4-10.0.5. What do you guys think? Edited September 18, 2013 by TheSphynx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satwo Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 in other words, its a WIP. awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DM-Nexriot Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 dilution its like nerf but in cool language Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSphynx Posted September 18, 2013 Author Share Posted September 18, 2013 To be completely honest, seeing that Forma and Forma Blueprints already had a 1% chance in most Void missions, the percentage should have been adjusted to accommodate the new items and prevent "dilution". Sure, we still have (if percentages are the same as pre-10) a 12% chance for blueprints from T2 and T3 Survival and Exterminates, but how much has that number actually changed due to "dilution".Forma need an entirely new system. Farming one RNG (Void Keys) is one thing, but adding another incredibly low RNG (Forma Rate) just makes an unstable and inefficient way of getting an item that is required in almost 90% of clan production. That isn't including using them for polarizing weapons and warframes. The endless farming of defense and void missions (for forma) continues, but as of U10 it has become significantly more difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DM-Nexriot Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 i see you dont understandforma = moneyMoar dilution =moar money $$$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoyMalone Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 mo' money mo'forma? (mo' money mo' problems) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrObvious Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 DE would need a slap in the face to wake up finally. It's like they are sleeping, and talking crap while doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damonvile Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 It was a mistake to make forma the one and only thing everyone hunts for. Almost everything else just sort of happens while you hunt for forma. You don't really need to even pay attention to the other resources because by the time you get the forma, you'll have them too. This game isn't warframe, it's forma hunter online. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSphynx Posted September 18, 2013 Author Share Posted September 18, 2013 DE would need a slap in the face to wake up finally. It's like they are sleeping, and talking crap while doing it. I wouldn't exactly say that. It just seems like they are using the word "dilution" to hide the ongoing Forma issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSphynx Posted September 18, 2013 Author Share Posted September 18, 2013 It was a mistake to make forma the one and only thing everyone hunts for. Almost everything else just sort of happens while you hunt for forma. You don't really need to even pay attention to the other resources because by the time you get the forma, you'll have them too. This game isn't warframe, it's forma hunter online. I lol'd. It's sad, but true. It seems like a majority of my time is spent on actually farming void keys for forma OR farming void missions for forma. I have easily been rewarded with over 4-5 FULL sets of Frost Prime parts from T2 Raid & Exterminates back before U10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSphynx Posted September 18, 2013 Author Share Posted September 18, 2013 (edited) Going to run the 25+ T2 Exterminate Keys I have. We'll see how it goes. Edited September 18, 2013 by TheSphynx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khainegom Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 It's just plain lies. Dakra handle Paris Upper limb Latron stock Mag Prime helm Anyone recognize those? The items listed above easily have 30% drop chance (or more) in their respective mission types. The tables were not diluted due to the addition of new items; they were changed on purpose. Also, Forma used to drop at 12% in both Extermination and Raid. Raid has now been changed to survival. I have not recieved a single Forma from survival so that is half of the forma gone right there without even factoring in the changes to the drop chance from exterm missions. If we ever do get datamined tables there will be big trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DM-Nexriot Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 always players datamining, and that sucks, DE can make a % of drop only reading a txt file Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenrax Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Rebecca has been doing a fantastic job at the communication aspect of this. Be sure not to yell at the messenger since she IS indeed bringing up major community concerns straight to the devs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSphynx Posted September 18, 2013 Author Share Posted September 18, 2013 Rebecca has been doing a fantastic job at the communication aspect of this. Be sure not to yell at the messenger since she IS indeed bringing up major community concerns straight to the devs! Rebecca did great. She is never afraid to ask a thing. The problem is, people have been talking about the forma issue for a very long time now. With U10, it has only made the problem worse. Currently, I have finished 3 T2 Exterminates. I will post a detailed list of my rewards. The search for Forma goes on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AccrualWorld Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 In my quest to get the blueprint for the paris prime, on tier 3 mobile defense missions, I already received two forma blueprints and one of them was just now. Sadly, still nothing for that paris prime blueprint ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSphynx Posted September 19, 2013 Author Share Posted September 19, 2013 (edited) In my quest to get the blueprint for the paris prime, on tier 3 mobile defense missions, I already received two forma blueprints and one of them was just now. Sadly, still nothing for that paris prime blueprint ..... Interesting, either you got incredibly lucky with the old 1% rate or they increased the chance on T3 Mobile. I'll have to check it out. Thanks Edited September 19, 2013 by TheSphynx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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