shut Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 (edited) Unless I'm misunderstanding what you mean by sustained damage (I'm interpreting that as "spamming regular attacks"), no - Orthos Prime far outclasses the Galatine there. By "sustained damage", I mean slamming Charge Attack after Charge Attack against a sandbag enemy (i.e. a distracted boss). Basically, charge DPS. The greatsword beats Orthos Prime here. Edited September 27, 2013 by SortaRandom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Except those formulas are empiric, outdated (from before we had actual datamined stats) and errr...come from the wiki >< I fail to see anything close to true in all this. But thanks for the effort. If you want to link me to said stats I'm happy to rerun the calculations. By "sustained damage", I mean slamming Charge Attack after Charge Attack against a sandbag enemy (i.e. a distracted boss). Basically, charge DPS. The greatsword beats Orthos Prime here. Ah, okay. So burst damage being the fact that a single Galatine charge attack does twice as much as Orthos Prime, and sustained damage meaning repeated charge attacks. Gotcha, thanks for the clarification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelonious Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 That's the base charge time unmodded. I used just the charge time for ease of math. The actual swing time is additional. Orthos Prime = (200*(1.0/(0.5+(1.0/1.3))))=157.5758 Galatine = (400*(1.0/(0.5+91.0/1.4))))=165.6804 The damage is very close, and the Orthos Prime absolutely destroys the Galatine in spam DPS. Again, the math is wrong here. wow, any high school math teacher would be so p'ssed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GottFaust Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Again, this thing is highly specialized in charge damage. Its spam-attack is numerically the worst of all of the heavy weapons and things like the OPrime absolutely demolish it there.<br /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelonious Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 (edited) If you want to link me to said stats I'm happy to rerun the calculations. Gott was closer to the real formula, just a few things to correct. Orthos P. charge time is 0.65 We can assume with certitude that Gelatine's charge time is 0.7 Edited September 27, 2013 by Thelonious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Again, the math is wrong here. wow, any high school math teacher would be so p'ssed It looks like his work had some typos but the answers were the same as my unmodded DPS calculations (which I didn't bother including). Gott was closer to the real formula, just a few things to correct. Given the above, that doesn't really help me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GottFaust Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 (edited) Again, the math is wrong here. wow, any high school math teacher would be so p'ssed Nice catch on the typos there. I've corrected it. The results are proper though as they came from a source that had the correct values entered. It looks like his work had some typos but the answers were the same as my unmodded DPS calculations (which I didn't bother including). Given the above, that doesn't really help me. As far as I can tell the formula is (x*(1.0/(y+(1.0/z))) where x is the charge damage, y is the charge time, and z is the swing speed. Edited September 27, 2013 by GottFaust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Orthos P. charge time is 0.65 We can assume with certitude that Gelatine's charge time is 0.7 I'm uncertain where that number comes from and why we can assume it. Again, a link would be tremendously helpful. As far as I can tell the formula is (x*(1.0/(y+(1.0/z))) where x is the charge damage, y is the charge time, and z is the swing speed. Yup, that's what I used - your y+1/z is my effective charge speed calculation (Mine just has mods factored in, since I was working on the modded-up numbers). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelonious Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 (edited) Nice catch on the typos there. I've corrected it. The results are proper though as they came from a source that had the correct values entered. As far as I can tell the formula is (x*(1.0/(y+(1.0/z))) where x is the charge damage, y is the charge time, and z is the swing speed. Then the calculation is OP=200*(1/(0.65+(1/1.3)))=140.921 G=400*(1/(0.7+(1/1.4)))=282.828 Double, as expected (triple check that for me plz, I hate windows calculator ><) Edit: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Au6mBXle3cFtdHBYUzVJaDJfdkIzSEN1cUh5UlRvckE#gid=4 last datamined weapon stats, where we can see that all heavy weapons share the same 0.7 sec charge time (except OP with 0.65) Edited September 27, 2013 by Thelonious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GottFaust Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 I'm uncertain where that number comes from and why we can assume it. Again, a link would be tremendously helpful. Yup, that's what I used - your y+1/z is my effective charge speed calculation (Mine just has mods factored in, since I was working on the modded-up numbers). So he's claiming that our formulas are wrong because he uses a different charge speed. My testing shows a 1.7. Others have said the same. I'm going to assume that this is correct until we get a datamine that says otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelonious Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 So he's claiming that our formulas are wrong because he uses a different charge speed. My testing shows a 1.7. Others have said the same. I'm going to assume that this is correct until we get a datamine that says otherwise. only the math was wrong, the formula is correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainabi Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 last datamined weapon stats, where we can see that all heavy weapons share the same 0.7 sec charge time (except OP with 0.65) eh? I see 0.5s for orthos prime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Edit: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Au6mBXle3cFtdHBYUzVJaDJfdkIzSEN1cUh5UlRvckE#gid=4 last datamined weapon stats, where we can see that all heavy weapons share the same 0.7 sec charge time (except OP with 0.65) The fact that previous heavy weapons - which all have similar charge damages - have similar charge times is not exactly compelling evidence to assume the same about a new one. And given that people who have rushed the weapon are reporting that it does, in fact, take a long time to charge, I'm going to stick by the 1.7s that I and GottFaust used. c.f. http://youtu.be/aPk4mTv0TuM?t=21s - It pretty clearly takes right around two seconds to charge up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GottFaust Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 (edited) eh? I see 0.5s for orthos prime He doesn't know what he's talking about, but is going out of his way to look like he does. Just ignore him. Edited September 27, 2013 by GottFaust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelonious Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 (edited) eh? I see 0.5s for orthos prime oops, my bad, I read the next column :p ok, lets redo that then OP=200*(1/(0.5+(1/1.3)))=157.57575 G=400*(1/(0.7+(1/1.4)))=282.828 Oh yeah, much less difference now -.- And now lets assume Gela has a charge of 1.7 (charge+swing) G=400*(1/1.7)=235,2941 Edited September 27, 2013 by Thelonious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalenath Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 (edited) The fact that previous heavy weapons - which all have similar charge damages - have similar charge times is not exactly compelling evidence to assume the same about a new one. And given that people who have rushed the weapon are reporting that it does, in fact, take a long time to charge, I'm going to stick by the 1.7s that I and GottFaust used. c.f. http://youtu.be/aPk4mTv0TuM?t=21s - It pretty clearly takes right around two seconds to charge up. I haven't actually timed it, but charge attack is FAR slower than Orthos Prime or Gram. Tested at 0 level, unmodded. Tested at level 10 modded with max Reflex Coil. Still feels VERY slow. Edited September 27, 2013 by Kalenath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GottFaust Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 I haven't actually timed it, but charge attack is FAR slower than Orthos Prime or Gram. I'm getting around a 1.7 for the charge time with an additional 0.75 for the swing time. Others have said likewise. We won't know completely until we get a datamine of it, but I'm betting it's around there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 ok, lets redo that then OP=200*(1/(0.5+(1/1.3)))=157.57575 G=400*(1/(0.7+(1/1.4)))=282.828 Oh yeah, much less difference now -.- And now lets assume Gela has a charge of 1.7 (charge+swing) G=400*(1/1.7)=235,2941 We're saying that the charge time of Galatine is 1.7, you're saying the charge time + the swing is 1.7. Again: If you watch the reinforcements video you can pretty clearly tell that it takes about 2 seconds to charge the weapon. To charge it, not charge + swing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalenath Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 I'm getting around a 1.7 for the charge time with an additional 0.75 for the swing time. Others have said likewise. We won't know completely until we get a datamine of it, but I'm betting it's around there. That feels about right. The swing is IMMENSE. Also, Orthos Prime only hits one side on Charge Attack, right? Galantine hits full frontal arc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GottFaust Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 That feels about right. The swing is IMMENSE. Also, Orthos Prime only hits one side on Charge Attack, right? Galantine hits full frontal arc. The visual swing is one sided, but it actually hits in a full 360... Odd, I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalenath Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 (edited) The visual swing is one sided, but it actually hits in a full 360... Odd, I know. No odder than anything else here, lol. I DO have the overwhelming urge, every time I hit the charge attack, to shout 'FOR THE HONOR OF GREYSKULL' for some odd reason. Edited September 27, 2013 by Kalenath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TisEric Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 so the Market mastery 3 great sword is by all means a better charge type melee weapon than the current king of charge weapons? as it staggers on every hit? and the high damage would neutralize high threats faster rather then risk getting hit to get in a few swings? sounds like the best melee weapon ever.... it costs almost nothing of value to craft , has decent normal attack potential since it can hit up to 5 enemies and it has massive charge damage potential as its debatable the best charge weapon around.... so why even have every thing else in the same category? hope this means a buff to melee soonish .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GottFaust Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 No odder than anything else here, lol. I DO have the overwhelming urge, every time I hit the charge attack, to shout 'FOR THE HONOR OF GREYSKULL' for some odd reason. You and me both. I put it on Excal and did nothing but spam radial blind while yelling "Thundercats, HO!!!!!" on vent when I first got it... I'm such a nerd... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalenath Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 (edited) You and me both. I put it on Excal and did nothing but spam radial blind while yelling "Thundercats, HO!!!!!" on vent when I first got it... I'm such a nerd... Oh, the memories... When do we get a wave motion gun...? Edited September 27, 2013 by Kalenath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 No odder than anything else here, lol. I DO have the overwhelming urge, every time I hit the charge attack, to shout 'FOR THE HONOR OF GREYSKULL' for some odd reason. I would accept a 10 second charge time if that sound clip played every time you charged it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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