Invis + Decoy Loki + Fleeting Expertise

[Arabaxus]

I was thinking about whether Fleeting Expertise is worth putting on Loki for duration build or not. Yes I can cast it more often with Fleeting but I have to cast it more often with Fleeting. No Fleeting is more expensive per cast but each cast lasts longer. I was thinking about this two ways:

 

1. Fleeting

http://goo.gl/0N34o3

 

 

2. No Fleeting

http://goo.gl/du2N10

 

 

I mean I'm going to 2 Forma it anyways since I need to have it interchangeable with a Disarm + Switch Tele Build so I can pretty much replace Fleeting with anything if that is the case, so if you have any recommendations, feel free to share.

[paltiflier23]

In my opinion, as long as you can get over 20seconds duration you should be fine.

 

on both builds if you take out constitution, you only lose 3 seconds of invis time, which isn't alot. i think you have plenty of invis time as is, so i'd go with fleeting expertise.

 

you can also try maxing out fleeting expertise then dropping streamline, freeing up another slot, and still have 20secs of invis, due to the arcane helmet.

 

other than that solid builds :)

[GRNT]

I like using calypso gaming's build, it allows for use of all 4 abilities and gives you the option to switch an ability with a defensive mod

 

http://goo.gl/m9J8PB (If you're having trouble finding it :))

[Suprkeke]

http://goo.gl/GyE3VQ

Loki

225

health

225

shield capacity

225

power

65

armor

80

stamina

1.25

sprint speed

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+60%

melee damage

+60%

power efficiency

+28%

power duration

+40%

knockback recovery

+135%

power range

+50.0%

casting speed

-60%

power strength

Switch Teleport

10.00

power cost

50m

target range

1s

enemy target confused

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Invisibility

20.00

power cost

15.4 sec

power duration

+400%

melee damage

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Radial Disarm

40.00

power cost

47.0m

radius

∞

power duration

200.0

puncture to infested chargers

 

Add in Arcane Essence Loki helmet to obtain 75% power efficiency.

[(PSN)D-onlinekilla-4D]

In my opinion, as long as you can get over 20seconds duration you should be fine.

 

on both builds if you take out constitution, you only lose 3 seconds of invis time, which isn't alot. i think you have plenty of invis time as is, so i'd go with fleeting expertise.

 

you can also try maxing out fleeting expertise then dropping streamline, freeing up another slot, and still have 20secs of invis, due to the arcane helmet.

 

other than that solid builds

 

I was thinking about whether Fleeting Expertise is worth putting on Loki for duration build or not. Yes I can cast it more often with Fleeting but I have to cast it more often with Fleeting. No Fleeting is more expensive per cast but each cast lasts longer. I was thinking about this two ways:

 

1. Fleeting

http://goo.gl/0N34o3

 

 

2. No Fleeting

http://goo.gl/du2N10

 

 

I mean I'm going to 2 Forma it anyways since I need to have it interchangeable with a Disarm + Switch Tele Build so I can pretty much replace Fleeting with anything if that is the case, so if you have any recommendations, feel free to share.

If you're doing T4 survivals for long periods, I would drop flow and quick thinking, for vitality and redirection due to the amount of eximus, pack plenty of team energy restores in your gear as 1 tick from these restores will allow you to cast any ability again, and as above you can drop streamline if you got the essence arcane helmet, also drop decoy for radial disarm

Edited July 17, 2014 by (PS4)D-onlinekilla-4D

[Arabaxus]

The thing is with disarm I'll have literally no range on it though.

[(PSN)D-onlinekilla-4D]

The thing is with disarm I'll have literally no range on it though.

overextended in enemy sense slot ? been locking down the T4 survivals with my friends with the disarm, turns the enemies into a joke!  pop disarm, pop invis go to town with melee!

Edited July 17, 2014 by (PS4)D-onlinekilla-4D

[Darzk]

The best way to compare them is a build with full FE instead of Streamline, using Essence Helmet.

 

 

Full FE = 75% Efficiency, -60% duration

Streamline = 45% efficiency, normal duration

 

So with NM, Const, and Contin, you get 23.6 sec for 12.5 cost with Fe and 30.8 sec for 27.5 cost with Streamline. 

 

Thus, 1.888 sec per energy with FE, and 1.12 sec per energy with Streamline. In other words, FE is 68.5% more efficient. It's up to you if that extra efficiency is worth the hassle/danger of recasting more often.

[(PSN)D-onlinekilla-4D]

The thing is with disarm I'll have literally no range on it though.

http://goo.gl/CQGe8H    my build at the moment, can solo 50 mins T4 survival, if the life support is doing ok, may not be the optimal build but works for me,, good luck

[Darzk]

While a 34m range on Disarm is acceptable, I prefer to use a 47m range by not using NM. This leaves me with +28% duration for Invis, ~15.4 seconds, which is long enough, imo. I tend to use invis more to escape/travel/revive than as a damage amp for melee tho.

 

Edit: http://warframe-builder.com/Warframes/Builder/Loki_prime/t_30_14401123013_1-1-10-4-3-5-5-9-5-8-10-5-13-7-3-14-6-5-46-2-5-55-8-2-76-0-3-77-4-3-79-5-3_76-2-1-7-46-6-4-9-77-4-79-7-14-5-13-7-55-8-5-11-8-14_71/en/1-0-25/10343/0

Edited July 17, 2014 by Darzk

[(PSN)Hiero_Glyph]

Yeah, Radial Disarm is more useful than Invisibility so you should always optimize it.  You can run a build without Radial Disarm to optimize Invisibility but this is more for stealth or objective missions than for Tower Defense/Survival missions.   Also, don't forget Decoy and Switch Teleport as they can be extremely useful for crowd control and movement.  Loki is the jack of all trades frame that Oberon wishes he was.