Weapons I Want To See In Warframe: Chainblades And (Charging) Lance + Moonsplitter?

[TheCornerMan]

I still want throwable hammers/axes, though javelins do sound rather fun to use as well no matter how impractical they actually are in combat.

[Viridias]

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...say, javelins with rocket boosters?

This line of thought deserves more attention. *sagely nod*

[Renegade343]

Ever heard of "long rod kinetic penetrators", or APFSDS to use the propur letter-soup monster, which is what the REAL tanks use on each other? Shaped charges are for ruddy mud-picking peasants and eggshell softskins that don't even lift.

At least RPGs are cheap to come by. 

[Viridias]

At least RPGs are cheap to come by. 

 

See "mud-picking peasants". :P

[Renegade343]

See "mud-picking peasants". :P

You will call them differently when you have ten rockets from the RPGs flying into the general direction of where you are. 

[Viridias]

You will call them differently when you have ten rockets from the RPGs flying into the general direction of where you are. 

 

That's what my tank has reactive armour for.

 

And machineguns.

 

[Renegade343]

That's what my tank has reactive armour for.

 

And machineguns.

And then fail off when five rockets hit the same area. 

 

After all, it can only protect so much from piercing before it fails, despite the fact that it is meant to be anti anti-armour. 

 

And I raise you light machine guns on pickup trucks and improvised APCs. 

[Xievie]

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...say, javelins with rocket boosters?

This line of thought deserves more attention. *sagely nod*

 

Amazing. We'd better put rockets on everything. 

Hell, rockets on chainblades. Imagine that S#&$.

[Renegade343]

Amazing. We'd better put rockets on everything. 

Hell, rockets on chainblades. Imagine that S#&$.

That is not going to go down too well, especially if the chain got tangled with the hands of the Tenno and the rocket fired off. 

 

Grineer on patrol sees an object fly by with a chain wrapped with bleeding something. 

Grineer on patrol: "What the hell is that?". 

[Viridias]

And then fail off when five rockets hit the same area. 

 

After all, it can only protect so much from piercing before it fails, despite the fact that it is meant to be anti anti-armour. 

 

And I raise you light machine guns on pickup trucks and improvised APCs. 

 

Actually if they hit all at once they'd fratricide each other in sympathetic detonations, or get wiped by the ERA going off. Plus MBTs are for the most part pretty rocket-resistent.

 

Shaped charges have kind of major inherent limitations anyway given that you can all but immunise even near unarmoured softskin vehicles against them with a standoff screen of what pretty much amounts to glorified chicken wire or metal Venetian blinds, due to the peculiarities of the penetrator jet. (By late WW2 the Soviets were actually protecting their tanks from Panzerfausts and the like with improvised screens *made of* chicken wire, bedsprings or whatever else was at hand - rather succesfully too.)

 

And I see your jury-rigged Technicals and raise an actual armoured fighting vehicle, resulting in a very one-sided massacre.

[Viridias]

Amazing. We'd better put rockets on everything. 

Hell, rockets on chainblades. Imagine that S#&$.

 

G.I. Joe and the Cobra approve of this philosophy. *Everything* is better with moar rockets.

 

[Renegade343]

G.I. Joe and the Cobra approve of this philosophy. *Everything* is better with moar rockets.

 

And look what happened to the Eiffel Tower. 

[Renegade343]

Actually if they hit all at once they'd fratricide each other in sympathetic detonations, or get wiped by the ERA going off. Plus MBTs are for the most part pretty rocket-resistent.

Resistant ≠ Immune. 

 

Shaped charges have kind of major inherent limitations anyway given that you can all but immunise even near unarmoured softskin vehicles against them with a standoff screen of what pretty much amounts to glorified chicken wire or metal Venetian blinds, due to the peculiarities of the penetrator jet. (By late WW2 the Soviets were actually protecting their tanks from Panzerfausts and the like with improvised screens *made of* chicken wire, bedsprings or whatever else was at hand - rather succesfully too.)

The Soviets only protected the front, if I remember correctly, since placing at the sides seemed to interfere with the caterpillar tracks. 

 

And I see your jury-rigged Technicals and raise an actual armoured fighting vehicle, resulting in a very one-sided massacre.

I see your armoured fighting vehicles and raise you spike IEDs for mobility kills. 

[Viridias]

That is not going to go down too well, especially if the chain got tangled with the hands of the Tenno and the rocket fired off. 

 

Grineer on patrol sees an object fly by with a chain wrapped with bleeding something. 

Grineer on patrol: "What the hell is that?". 

 

Eh, they can swing Jat Kittags one-handed. Even the scrawny "squishy mage" types like Nekros and whoever. And block hails of bullets with swords. And run on walls and alter their trajectories mid-jump.

 

Normal human physical limitations aren't really a... concern for these people*.

 

 

*taxonomy up to debate

 

[Renegade343]

Eh, they can swing Jat Kittags one-handed. Even the scrawny "squishy mage" types like Nekros and whoever. And block hails of bullets with swords. And run on walls and alter their trajectories mid-jump.

But the Jat Kittag does not have a swinging chain to accidentally hook onto Tenno when using it. 

[Viridias]

Resistant ≠ Immune. 

 

The Soviets only protected the front, if I remember correctly, since placing at the sides seemed to interfere with the caterpillar tracks. 

 

I see your armoured fighting vehicles and raise you spike IEDs for mobility kills. 

 

Tends to be close enough as makes no difference for the most part.

 

Actually the Soviets specifically screened the sides of the hull and the turret, much like the Germans with their earlier Schurtzen, as the front parts thereof had thicker armour to begin with. Plus the guns; infantry tank-hunter teams generally preferred not to attack from the front for obvious reasons. Not much that could be done about the lower sides other than hope the hollow charge hit the tracks which in effect act as partial standoff armour, but given the rather pronouncedly ballistic trajectory of the Panzerfaust shells at least this wasn't that big a problem most of the time.

 

Mobility kill =/= hard kill, and the damn thing can still shoot just fine.

...this'll just keep escalating until we're talking about levelin buildings and stuff, won't it?

 

[Renegade343]

Tends to be close enough as makes no difference for the most part.

Still can be blown up, no?

 

Mobility kill =/= hard kill, and the damn thing can still shoot just fine.

...this'll just keep escalating until we're talking about levelin buildings and stuff, won't it?

Why level a building just to kill a vehicle? Waste of resources. 

 

Besides, at least you stopped the vehicle from moving, leaving it more vulnerable to other attacks. 

[Viridias]

But the Jat Kittag does not have a swinging chain to accidentally hook onto Tenno when using it. 

 

It's got n = Way Too Many kilos of striking head plus jet engine atop nearly two meters of shaft, yet even the lightest built 'Frames have no problems swinging it all over the place. Or with the thing tearing off their hands and going merrily a-skipping along the floor for the delight of the young and old alike but not whomever happens to be in the way.

 

As far as the Tenno are concerned the main risk of fitting the weighted striker at the end of a chain (or cable or whatever the design now might have) with a reaction engine would pretty much amount to getting a face full of soot in the manner of those old Saturday morning cartoons.

[Renegade343]

It's got n = Way Too Many kilos of striking head plus jet engine atop nearly two meters of shaft, yet even the lightest built 'Frames have no problems swinging it all over the place. Or with the thing tearing off their hands and going merrily a-skipping along the floor for the delight of the young and old alike but not whomever happens to be in the way.

At least it is on a hard shaft. Swinging chains on rockets will provide unpredictability, both to the enemy and the user, and frankly, we do not want to pick up Tenno bits. 

 

As far as the Tenno are concerned the main risk of fitting the weighted striker at the end of a chain (or cable or whatever the design now might have) with a reaction engine would pretty much amount to getting a face full of soot in the manner of those old Saturday morning cartoons.

Tell that to the Jat Kittag when doing a melee combo eight-figure twirl. 

 

Soot and fire right up to the face. 

[Viridias]

I'm starting to think you're missing the point deliberately.

[Renegade343]

I'm starting to think you're missing the point deliberately.

No? 

 

After all, it is fun thinking of these while dealing with equilibrium and statistics calculations, all in my head. 

[Viridias]

Then why are you even bringing up "unpredictable trajectories" as an argument in a context where there are razor-sharp throwing weapons that -somehow- pass through enemies without slowing down but still dealing damage, ricochet off any surfaces that are not an enemy, unerringly return to the thrower and are safely caught *completely* irrespective of what else said thrower is doing at the moment?

[Renegade343]

Then why are you even bringing up "unpredictable trajectories" as an argument in a context where there are razor-sharp throwing weapons that -somehow- pass through enemies without slowing down but still dealing damage, ricochet off any surfaces that are not an enemy, unerringly return to the thrower and are safely caught *completely* irrespective of what else said thrower is doing at the moment?

Magnets. That would explain it. 

[Viridias]

Magnets. That would explain it. 

 

F***ING MAGNETS, HOW DO THEY WORK?

 

...I thought it was nanomachines. SON.

Edited July 31, 2014 by Viridias

[Renegade343]

F***ING MAGNETS, HOW DO THEY WORK?

 

...I thought it was nanomachines. SON.

Attract it back, maybe (sarcasm)?

 

And the second statement just sounds so applicable to anything in general. 

 

"Why did you lose your homework?" "Nanomachines."

"Why are you hanging upside down?" "Nanomachines."

"Why are you dead?" "Nanomachines."

"Why is your body being looted by grave robbers?" "Nanomachines"

"Why can you even talk when you are dead?" "Nanomachines."

Edited July 31, 2014 by Renegade343