Odd Changes (Lazy Game Design 101)

[Heaven_Smile]

So, for some reason there were changes made to the Orokin Derelict Defense map. Now while I welcome balancing changes should they prove a real challenge, what am disappointed in is changes NOT made to the map layout. Let me explain.

You know the giant square pillars on the map? THESE ones:

 

 

 

Yeah, that thing. Why for the love of Lotus is there a Physics Push barrier on that now? Sure, you can camp up there and can't be hurt, but the Cryopod is still left undefended. Even if you were to argue that you just don't want players up there, that's understandable, but then remodel the pillar. Don't use this lazy Physics Push Invisible Barrier BS. And ironically, the Phys Push only sends you higher if you use directional mid-air melee on it. Like so:
 

 

 

Which, if your job was to keep players from staying up there, backfired:
 

 

 

We only got further up the wall than before. So my advice is that if you are going to re-balance a map to keep it from being "exploited" (ironically in a game about being a super awesome parkour space ninja), then remodel it, don't be lazy.


Second, we can't run up the lamp posts anymore to stand on them. But oh wait, we can just directional mid-air melee ourselves up there like so:

 

 

While there IS salt in this post, I don't care about the map changes being made for balancing. I'm salty because it was done in the laziest fashion possible. Please DE, fix your stuff properly. This is just sloppy.


PS- I will say the new AI Paths are great and add a challenge to the map now. Good job on that though! :D

[[DE]Grzegorz]

A lot of things in this game simply scream "not enough testing", especially maps.

Edited November 9, 2014 by Mofixil

[Zirion_Bk]

A lot of things in this game simply scream "not enough testing", especially maps.

......... Seems like everyone has forgotten that WE ARE THE TESTERS! 

[Hired-Gun]

......... Seems like everyone has forgotten that WE ARE THE TESTERS! 

 

 

 

 

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[Prany]

Why don't ancients pull players off ledges. They have grapling hooks. Using those against camping tenno would be logical thing to do.

[TrollyTheSolly]

You CAN cligm up the post tings:

Jump on to the small one and you will stand on a small ledge.

Jump to the top of the small one.

jump to the larger one, you will also land on a small ledge.

then jump up and voila, the best spot.

[Wurdyburd]

I think DE is at the point now where they're going to take as many shortcuts as they can, however lazy, however sloppy they may be. For example, adding radiation damage to everything for a while, Sleight of Hand makes everything Radial Blind, Super Jump uses Smoke Bomb, and more than half of the new Augment mods use features from already-existing powers.

 

I do agree though, trying to remove an exploit by slightly changing the hitbox of a map is lazy. It's beyond lazy. It shows that the devs realize there's a problem, and need to act on it to prevent broken gameplay, ex. team of Vaubans with Ogris, yet are only willing to do the minimum amount of work needed to fix the problem. Which, as you've shown, is easily fought by finding yet more exploits.

 

I hope the hitbox change is a temporary bandaid until they can get their modellers to remake the pillars and lamp posts.

 

Note: for the players who argue that content doesn't get testing, because we are the testers, that's embarrassing. DE makes money off this game. To puke out content under the mindset "oh the community will tell us if we need to make any changes, we'll only make an effort if we're told we need to" is the laziest course of development.

[Macdermott]

My first question would be "Why is there a ledge there in the first place if we're not supposed to try and get there?"

 

So yes, if they don't want us up there, redesign the asset to have no ledge.

 

This is a horribadly implemented "balance adjustment"

[(PSN)WiiConquered]

They should make the Infested Chargers and Crawlers able to climb up walls. It would look cool and mean people couldn't camp ledges without fear as they do now.

[hotbeast]

Does DE have anything to say about this change?

[(PSN)Pharen]

They should make the Infested Chargers and Crawlers able to climb up walls. It would look cool and mean people couldn't camp ledges without fear as they do now.

That would be freaky and awesome +1!