Exhack Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 So I was considering that Warframe is all about entering these twisting semi-random dungeons with four of your friends, and remembered another incredibly important RPG franchise that does the exact same thing: Atlus' Shin Megami Tensei: Persona series. Which from the 3rd game onwards very successfully incorporated Dating Sim elements that strengthened the player's various characters. And I just thought that it'd be a terrific mechanic to explore, since dating sims have been mentionned in the past. The idea would be to nominally assign relationship values based on how often you play with certain players, which would give a value called 'Synergy' that is increased in the same way as weapons and warframes are. Synergy would allow for 'relationship trees' that can have points put into them that allow for reciprocal bonuses, so that if you had a certain amount of Synergy with X player you could give them a bonus that increases their Credit gains while they give you an increase to Melee damage. Synergy bonuses would depend on trust and mutual understanding of eachother's playstyles, but be respeccable for cheap so that players aren't penalized too badly. Synergy's major trees would be split between 'friendship' that would give strong passive bonuses and 'romance' trees that give sudden bursts of power like healing boosts or energy regen when your synergy partner is in danger. Finally, the major benefit of this would be unlocking special 'events' that can only be accessed by pairs of players with high enough relationship values, and grant special items and romantic cutscenes. Doubling up is possible but requires at least one 'friendship' synergy between the two pairs, and would allow for easier playthroughs and possibly special cutscenes like sharing a booth at a busy Grineer bar and grill (the meat is made of people)! So what do you think? If PvP is so essential, why not dating sim elements? The hardcore dungeon crawler fans (especially the ones who like manga and anime) tend to have some level of overlap with the VN crowd, so this would be a great idea to broaden appeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterRisto Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 -1There are enough creeps on the internet the last thing this game needs is to draw them to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ12 Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 This is the best suggestion ever. I'm MJ12 and this is my favorite topic on the forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lronWolf Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 With this mode we can finally reveal the true use of the Excalibur's horn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krisp Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 (edited) HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Good one OP. It's like last night when Rebecca asked about Rule 63 and everyone was like "um... er... okay, I guess?..." With this mode we can finally reveal the true use of the Excalibur's horn! $#*(@ please, ever taken a look at Rhino's package? Edited April 25, 2013 by krisp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neKroMancer Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 Rhino will be super OP in this mode. LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditsydoo Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 When i read the title I was lead to believe this would be stupid. But god dang I like this idea with what encouraging players to make relationships with other players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerrus Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 I agree completely. There seems to be an increasing trend in games these days that focuses overmuch on pvp elements, and disregards more traditional, but otherwise ignored aspects such as this. One of the things I'd personally like to see from such a system would be for players to be able to get married, perhaps by their dojo ninja master. Marriage would confer a number of benefits, like being able to warp to a mission your significant other is currently on regardless of you not currently being in a team with them, or even having access to the location.Additional abilities would include a shared XP/credit boost that would range from 5-25% of an increase, depending on whether you are playing together or not- after all, marriage has a number of benefits even when you don't spend all your time together. Additionally, married couples would share in rare mod drops- if you procure a rare or better drop, then your partner would also receive the same drop- either from the mission in question, or when they log in. While of course this would need to be balanced so that players can't abuse this with the mod trading system that will later be introduced, it does introduce an interesting dynamic that encourages both players to play frequently and together to maximize their mod acquisition, as opposed to just one doing all the work in the kitchen corpus systems while the other lazes around in the dojo. Additionally, high synergy levels and a formal marriage should introduce some special 'married couple only' power cards, typically allowing you to use a power from your significant other's warframe and visa versa. So a Jolt/Ember pairing might be able to use fireball/lightning respectively. I think this could really add some unique tactical depth to the game, but limit it based on cooperative gameplay and input, instead of a more traditional 'paygate'- as a paygate would likely annoy much of the userbase, but having to achieve maximum synergy and make a permanent commitment to your best friend/buddy/whoever would be much easier to accept, as it can be done only through ingame effort. Of course one has to accept that marriages may not last forever, and of course we don't want to keep someone trapped in an abusive relationship, so one would be able to get a divorce. Of course to prevent this from being abused, divorces would depend on user metrics- if one user has sat around not playing for 60% or more of their time married, just leeching off the other, then a divorce will go through- however any such divorce would reset all synergy between those two players. Additionally, in order to punish leeching behaviour, the leeching player will receive a penalty to future earnings equal to the effective amount they leeched- however this of course would not be applied all at once, but gradually. In a mission that receives five mods, that player might only receive 4, and this 'reduced rate' would continue until the alimony debt is paid off, as it were. Naturally money expedites all things, and it would be possible to 'settle' with your marriage partner through a special divorce token purchaseable from the Platinum Store. Similarly, players would be able to purchase 'gifts' from the platinum store, which would essentially be a randomized item within a given range of cost, that would also raise synergy between the gifter and the giftee. When syngery is highest, the players can get married- or if they can't wait, they can each purchase a marriage token and use it on the other player. When two marriage tokens are used, the players can be married without the fanfare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taihus Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 Wow you guys put a lot of thought into this... O_O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SolluxCaptorTA Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 I first looked at this to laugh at it. But holy hell, that'd be awesome! Maybe add some wider stuff for a full Squad of four and an entire clan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exhack Posted April 25, 2013 Author Share Posted April 25, 2013 (edited) Additional thoughts: Friendzoning is possible since synergy speccing wouldn't be enforced one way or another, so one player might use friendship to buff their ally in a certain way while the other might take romance for boosts during high-risk situations, which could have hilarious implications. Like how strictly speaking, an ardent Trinity player gains optimal benefit from putting all of their friends in 'romance' synergy trees. So it turns out that the warframes aren't ballanced for dating sim play. Edited April 25, 2013 by Exhack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrCashew Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 Came here thinking it was a joke, then read it and this sounds awesome. I have always enjoyed playing this aspect of games (Fire Emblem Awakening is an AMAZING example, and this has made the game much more successful imo). I would really like for this to be put into the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerrus Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 I first looked at this to laugh at it. But holy hell, that'd be awesome! Maybe add some wider stuff for a full Squad of four and an entire clan. Well you could friendship or love triangle a full squad or possibly an entire clan, but I think we'd want marriage to be strictly defined as two space ninja's, and not support polygamy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Withinfinite Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 Fun idea but...it...wont...happen...ever....*cough*CONTRIVED*cough* Make fan fics as those dont require people to suffer through contrived gameplay mechanics. Maybe if they mod it and re-release it as Relationship-frame. Then I wouldnt get mad and would play with my internet wife/husband. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFkenny Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 SOCIAL LINK GOOOOOOOOO!!!! I think having full on subplots and whatnot is a little silly and outside of Warframe's general tone, but having bonuses for working as a team would certainly help the online component. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerrus Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 contrived? I think you're missing the COMPLETELY OPTIONAL part of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Withinfinite Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 (edited) My only real technical gripe with it is that DE probably wont give a crap. I acctually think its a fun idea. But romance between utterly emotionless Space Ninjas that are uber bad &#! is silly. I cant take it seriously. Unless youre RPing. Inwhich case please disregard me in my entirety. And contrived as in it wont feel natural in the game; as it has zero themes of romance and no romantic tone and the Tenno are utterly blank, emotionless warriors, unless you give them a personality. Edited April 25, 2013 by Withinfinite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerrus Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 But that's exactly the point. If you don't want to give them a personality, you don't have to. You aren't penalized in any way, as there's no current pvp system. (although the idea of your waifu cheering you on from the sidelines giving you a buff in pvp is hilarious). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magmahunter Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 we're in the middle of a war with the grineer and corpus, and you want to go on a date? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Withinfinite Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 we're in the middle of a war with the grineer and corpus, and you want to go on a date? All is fair in Love and War. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KageNoShini Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 we're in the middle of a war with the grineer and corpus, and you want to go on a date? Well, why not? we're that bad@$$ anyways so it shouldn't matter, we have time to train to up a mastery rank and shop for weaps/other stuff, I'm sure tenno have time date, especially during those wait times for building things, perfect time to go out with your significant other and wreck $#!7 up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furyoushounen Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 A "Clan Synergy" system would be stellar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waudozer Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 Are you serious ._. also I wouldn't call it a date sim system but more of a affection system, make your true partner and squad bonus or something that'd make more sense.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neKroMancer Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 we're in the middle of a war with the grineer and corpus, and you want to go on a date? Look at Mass Effect. YES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulfighter Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 -1 There are enough creeps on the internet the last thing this game needs is to draw them to it. apparently they're already here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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