Rifle Stances / Ammunition Modifiers

[Hopakkiin]

Long Story Short:
Imagine some Mods, that only work on Rifles of a certain caliber like the Braton and Braton Prime.

These mods are obtainable from Syndicates and cost 100k Standing to make them expensive.
Those mods should look like this:

Gold Rounds (Sniper Rifles):
Impact+

Slash-

Puncture-

AoE Status Procs

 

Nanothermite Bullets:

Heat+

Status Chance+ 

Bypass Armor by 50%

Reduce Clip Size

 

Uranium Rounds:
Radiation+

Impact-

Puncture+

Punchthrough+

 

Drill Bolts (Boltor and Stuff):
100% Status

-50% Projektile Speed

Punchthrough

 

Slugs (Shotguns):

Spread is reduced by 100%

Projectile Speed is increased

Pellets are compressed into 1 Slug which deals all the damage at once

Decreases Fire rate by 50%

 

Shrapnel (Shotguns):
Increases Spread

Increases Pellet Count

Decreases Speed ( if possible)

Decreases single pellet damage

 

Leech Arrow:
Life Steal

Less Crit Damage

 

Whatever you get the point.

Thank you and please leave some constructive feedback.

 

[Trichouette]

I always wanted some kind of "gun special mod" like stance that would change the ammo kind (like bullet > explosive bullet) or the shoting type (like 3 round burst > auto)

Or turn a weapon like a rifle into a semi shotgun or something like that.

Still waiting for a mod 3.0

[Tyrian3k]

Long Story Short:

Imagine some Mods, that only work on Rifles of a certain caliber like the Braton and Braton Prime.

These mods are obtainable from Syndicates and cost 100k Standing to make them expensive.

Those mods should look like this:

Gold Rounds (Sniper Rifles):

Impact+

Slash-

Puncture-

AoE Status Procs

 

Don't know about the status procs, but having the ability to change the damage types of your weapon is interesting.

 

Nanothermite Bullets:

Heat+

Status Chance+ 

Bypass Armor by 50%

Reduce Clip Size

 

Sounds okay apart from the armor part. That may be too powerful.

 

Uranium Rounds:

Radiation+

Impact-

Puncture+

Punchthrough+

 

This depends largely on what the actual values are, but increasing three things for lowering one other seems a bit too much.

 

Drill Bolts (Boltor and Stuff):

100% Status

-50% Projektile Speed

Punchthrough

 

Bolt guns barely need punch through at all. 100% status is also excessive on automatic guns. With corrosive applied, the enemies' armor will be removed before you can say "BOOOYAAAAH", making this far too powerful.

 

Slugs (Shotguns):

Spread is reduced by 100%

Projectile Speed is increased

Pellets are compressed into 1 Slug which deals all the damage at once

Decreases Fire rate by 50%

 

Most shotties don't have a projectile speed and otherwise this just turns them into somekind of sniper rifle. Not sure if I like it too much.

 

Shrapnel (Shotguns):

Increases Spread

Increases Pellet Count

Decreases Speed ( if possible)

Decreases single pellet damage

 

Not sure what you actually mean by speed, but otherwise seems interesting.

 

Leech Arrow:

Life Steal

Less Crit Damage

 

May be helpful, but seems very situational to me.

 

Whatever you get the point.

Thank you and please leave some constructive feedback.

 

 

Apart from the notes in the quote I wrote, I'm very interested in primaries/secondaries getting some sort of slot that is similar to the auras/stances. My personal opinion would be to reserve these for utility, though, not damage. Nobody really uses clip capacity or reload mods very much because they are usually too weak and not worth putting onto a weapon instead of a damage mod.

[Hopakkiin]

Apart from the notes in the quote I wrote, I'm very interested in primaries/secondaries getting some sort of slot that is similar to the auras/stances. My personal opinion would be to reserve these for utility, though, not damage. Nobody really uses clip capacity or reload mods very much because they are usually too weak and not worth putting onto a weapon instead of a damage mod.

It is partially utility when it changes the feeling you have playing a weapon.

[Tyrian3k]

It is partially utility when it changes the feeling you have playing a weapon.

 

I know that, yet I'm a bit split when it comes to changing certain things about weapons.

 

Making a weapon that primarily deals slash/impact damage into one that deals puncture damage (along the lines of the first example you give) makes it obsolete to have a different weapon of the same type that deals puncture damage by default. E.g. a Lex Prime would be even more obsolete if you could change a (Vaykor) Marelok into a puncture weapon. Same can be applied to about any pairing of similar weapons that are mostly different in their damage types. While I'm generally interested in it, I'm not quite sure I really want it.

[Hopakkiin]

I know that, yet I'm a bit split when it comes to changing certain things about weapons.

 

Making a weapon that primarily deals slash/impact damage into one that deals puncture damage (along the lines of the first example you give) makes it obsolete to have a different weapon of the same type that deals puncture damage by default. E.g. a Lex Prime would be even more obsolete if you could change a (Vaykor) Marelok into a puncture weapon. Same can be applied to about any pairing of similar weapons that are mostly different in their damage types. While I'm generally interested in it, I'm not quite sure I really want it.

 

I should have made it clearer. 

The Mods should change the Damage not by adding it, but by adding a multiplier for it.

For example: If the Braton Prime deals 12,3 Puncture and you add Uranium Rounds, then you will deal 0,65 Times your Impact Damage and 1,35 your Puncture damage.

Which means that you cannot add a damage type, you can amplify it.

For Example:

If you have "Gold Rounds" on the Lanka it won't do anything apart from the Procs, which is why I wrote "caliber".

An energy weapon can't use non energy weapon mods.

It always depends on what mission you are running and what weapons you like. 

[Hopakkiin]

Long Story Short:

Imagine some Mods, that only work on Rifles of a certain caliber like the Braton and Braton Prime.

These mods are obtainable from Syndicates and cost 100k Standing to make them expensive.

Those mods should look like this:

Gold Rounds (Sniper Rifles):

Impact+

Slash-

Puncture-

AoE Status Procs

 

Nanothermite Bullets:

Heat+

Status Chance+ 

Bypass Armor by 50%

Reduce Clip Size

 

Uranium Rounds:

Radiation+

Impact-

Puncture+

Punchthrough+

 

Drill Bolts (Boltor and Stuff):

100% Status

-50% Projektile Speed

Punchthrough

 

Slugs (Shotguns):

Spread is reduced by 100%

Projectile Speed is increased

Pellets are compressed into 1 Slug which deals all the damage at once

Decreases Fire rate by 50%

 

Shrapnel (Shotguns):

Increases Spread

Increases Pellet Count

Decreases Speed ( if possible)

Decreases single pellet damage

 

Leech Arrow:

Life Steal

Less Crit Damage

 

Whatever you get the point.

Thank you and please leave some constructive feedback.

Also please remember that these numbers are just an abstract concept for mods that augment Rifles/Pistols.

[Bitle]

I have seen the concept from time to time, and the version i have worked up goes something as follow:

 

similer slot to Stance, with potential following effects.

 

Primary:

Armor Piercing: V (Madurai) Polarity that adds Punch Through

 

Elemental Affinity : V (Madurai) Polarity that increases elemental damage/status chance

 

Quick Magazine: D (Vazarin) Polarity that increases reload speed

 

Extended Magazine: D (Vazarin) Polarity that increases magazine Capacity

 

Supressor:Dash (Naramon) Polarity that silences the weapon

 

Ammo Pouch: Dash (Naramon) Polarity that increases maximum ammo capacity.

 

Phased Rounds: Scratch (Zenurik) Polarity that allows rounds to pass through Eximus and Nullifier Spheres

 

Reclimation: Scratch (Zenurik) Polarity that increases ammo find/ammo conversion

 

 

Secondary

 

Most of these would be the same as the primary mods i've listed but with a couple interesting additions/alternatives:

 

Fighting Chance: D (Vazarin) Polarity that grants bleedout time with kills while in a downed state. (potential 10 second max? 1 second a kill?)

 

Desperate Luck: Dash (Naramon) Polarity that grants extra chance to find non secondary ammo types when secondary is active weapon (drawn in your hands) / kills

 

 

I feel that some mods are really desired and just arnt used becouse of damage priortiy for mod slots, such as Hush and this could be a really nice answer. I wanted to make my own thread, but with respect to cluttering the forum i shall start it here.....i know its a concept that has been discussed by the comunity for a very long time. please let me know what you think of my ideas and feel free to add your own.

 

edit, changed to say similer slot to stance, felt more appropriate and less confusing (no effecting the entire team)

Edited December 19, 2014 by Bitle

[gkuoni]

I like the idea, however I feel as if they'd need to function a bit differently.

 

P.S. You write it like this: projectile

[Hopakkiin]

I like the idea, however I feel as if they'd need to function a bit differently.

 

P.S. You write it like this: projectile

 

And? Pv073(71l3

[Hopakkiin]

I like the idea, however I feel as if they'd need to function a bit differently.

 

P.S. You write it like this: projectile

How should they function then?

[NinjaHorse]

How should they function then?

I don't know, but I want them :D

[Institute-Marksman]

Rifle Stance: Piercing Shot. Increases Puncture Damage done by 100% at MAXRANK



 

[Hopakkiin]

Rifle Stance: Piercing Shot. Increases Puncture Damage done by 100% at MAXRANK

Would be a little OP. I would prefer a multiplier like: 1.35x Puncture 0.85x impact 0.75x Slash.

[NinjaHorse]

I think the point OP made, was to alter the final DMG output and stuff. Not adding dmg.

[Hopakkiin]

I think the point OP made, was to alter the final DMG output and stuff. Not adding dmg.

Yes.

[NinjaHorse]

If you would create a topic out of two of your concepts, how would it look like?

[Hopakkiin]

I will do that.

[gkuoni]

I'd recommend that you change Gold Rounds to be Impact- and Puncture+ instead. The only sniper that is deeply focused into impact is the vulkar, which isn't the best sniper. Not only that but puncture scales off a lot better late game than impact. Snipetron Vandal is focused completely into puncture, and it would also improve the vectis by quite a bit.

 

If you think I understood the OP incorrectly, I'd love to understand it better.

[Hopakkiin]

I'd recommend that you change Gold Rounds to be Impact- and Puncture+ instead. The only sniper that is deeply focused into impact is the vulkar, which isn't the best sniper. Not only that but puncture scales off a lot better late game than impact. Snipetron Vandal is focused completely into puncture, and it would also improve the vectis by quite a bit.

 

If you think I understood the OP incorrectly, I'd love to understand it better.

Gold Rounds = Soft/Impact is alright. The AoE Status is the important point.

[Lightsmith]

I think ammo mods maybe. Gun stances are kinda lame.

Perhaps weapon specific, for example

Bolter default ammo has 20 puncture and 2.5 others.

An alternate would have 20 impact 2.5 puncture and slash. Another 20 slash... Even a balanced 8.25 for each option.

More options to add procs (like current syndicate weapons have) and other effects like base fire rate and other base gun stats.

You have a specific set of ammo for each weapon.

I suggest ammo just shuffle weapon base stats so not to be redundant to mods.

Edited February 2, 2015 by Lightsmith

[NinjaHorse]

Did you read the title of the Thread?

[Lightsmith]

Did you read the title of the Thread?

You referring to me? You didn't quote anyone in your post

[Hopakkiin]

The Pony refered to you I guess.

[NinjaHorse]

You referring to me? You didn't quote anyone in your post

:P Yes, why wouldn't I?