Problem Whats So Bad About Oberon

[KingAbelTate]

i like oberon but i just need to know whats bad about him give me stats and stuff i need to know please cause of the fact that i think that people are banding me from the group because i have him is a loud of bs in my eyes and im tired of it really so help me know whats so bad about oberon please 

[Acos]

He has a left over negative stigma attached to him as he was not very good upon his release. Since then he has been changed quite significantly and I'd argue that he is quite useful and able to fill a variety of roles rather well. Nuke-Farmer, Crowd Control, Tank, Melee, as well as a sprinkling of team healing and utility. 

[(PSN)WiiConquered]

Nothing's wrong with Oberon. He's probably close to ideal balance wise in a game that lacks it.

[TrinityPrime]

I generally dislike oberons since I'm usually running trinity and get annoyed they do their rejuv constantly which messes up my max bless.

 

Other than that, oberon is pretty balanced, which is probably why groups don't like him.  He get's outclassed in every category by another frame.  But I mean, that shouldn't matter unless you're going over 40 mins, 20 waves, 8 rounds T4.

[Solandis]

Wait, what? People are kicking you from groups for having Oberon? There's nothing wrong with Oberon but there's clearly something wrong with those people. ...Also, I didn't know you could kick people from groups. 

 

What missions are you doing that you keep getting kicked from? Also, recommendation: start being the group leader.

[tinyranitar]

Oberon is bad simply because his abilities require too many things. Most frame's ability require only duration, strength or range, or at most 2 of them. Oberon abilities are affected by all three, making him really mediocre and hard to mod. 

[Sev7n]

Nothing is wrong with oberon some players are just inexperienced in warframe and believe that he is outclassed by many other frames (which is not true)

 

Oberon is a great support frame for the following

 

Has the ability to heal players over time (Renewal)

Can lay down his magic carpet that protects the allies from status effects (hallowed ground, toxic ancients / eximi might as well surrender when oberon is in a group)

Can knock a room down and do so repeatedly if needed (reckoning)

Can apply radiation proc to an enemy to pull some aggro off the grouop (smite)

 

 

The truth about oberon is he a frame capable of healing, providing cc, negating status effects, and removing aggro to a small degree

People only view him as a "healer" majority of the time though which is what leads to the false assumptions of him being outclassed by other frames which leads to them not wanting oberon's in their squads

[tinyranitar]

Nothing is wrong with oberon some players are just inexperienced in warframe and believe that he is outclassed by many other frames (which is not true)

 

Oberon is a great support frame for the following

 

Has the ability to heal players over time (Renewal)

Can lay down his magic carpet that protects the allies from status effects (hallowed ground, toxic ancients / eximi might as well surrender when oberon is in a group)

Can knock a room down and do so repeatedly if needed (reckoning)

Can apply radiation proc to an enemy to pull some aggro off the grouop (smite)

 

 

The truth about oberon is he a frame capable of healing, providing cc, negating status effects, and removing aggro to a small degree

People only view him as a "healer" majority of the time though which is what leads to the false assumptions of him being outclassed by other frames which leads to them not wanting oberon's in their squads

Sad truth: Oberon is good on paper.

 

He can heal, but the heal is mediocre *cough* team health restore *cough* Trinty *cough*

He cannot knock a room down if using Narrow Minded. If he isn't, the rest of his abilities goes to the trash can. *cough* Radial Disarm *cough*

Can apply radiation *cough* Irradiating Disarm *cough*

[Rikage]

i like oberon but i just need to know whats bad about him give me stats and stuff i need to know please cause of the fact that i think that people are banding me from the group because i have him is a loud of bs in my eyes and im tired of it really so help me know whats so bad about oberon please 

So, you're not even sure that Oberon is the problem here? They could be denying you for many reasons - maybe because of weapon/aura choices... or maybe they just don't like you. Anyways, oberon's in a pretty balanced position right now... if the people you mention are from your guild/friendslist you should try talking to them first to figure out what the problem is rather than trying to guess. Makes it easier to everyone when we have a clear picture of what is happening.

[KingAbelTate]

So, you're not even sure that Oberon is the problem here? They could be denying you for many reasons - maybe because of weapon/aurua choices... or maybe they just don't like you. Anyways, oberon's in a pretty balanced position right now... if the people you mention are from your guild/friendslist you should try talking to them first to figure out what the problem is rather than trying to guess. Makes it easier to everyone when we have a clear picture of what is happening.

okay but i just put in oberon them the host quits then im left out the picture

[Sev7n]

Sad truth: Oberon is good on paper.

 

He can heal, but the heal is mediocre *cough* team health restore *cough* Trinty *cough*

He cannot knock a room down if using Narrow Minded. If he isn't, the rest of his abilities goes to the trash can. *cough* Radial Disarm *cough*

Can apply radiation *cough* Irradiating Disarm *cough*

This is all false. Your inexperience shows because you cannot differentiate the utilities between the abilities you just tried to compare oberons to.

 

The difference between oberons heal and trinity's heal is that oberon does HoT (heal over time) while trinity does one massive heal.

Neither is better than the other because both are superior in separate scenarios. Furthermore oberons heal does not need to be max'd, it benefits more in balanced builds that take advantage of the HoT effect

 

Oberon can knock down a room with narrow minded in most rooms. In the ones he cannot do this it still reaches a large enough distance to have a noticeable effect.

 

The difference between smite and irradiating disarm is that ID causes all enemies to attack eachother while smite will allow you to focus one enemy and have enemies target it. (such as a heavy for example you can cast smite on and let all the lesser enemies destroy it for you). But maybe causing all enemies to attack eachother is better than 1 single target? Well guess what oberon can do that too with his ultimate since it causes 100% proc chance of radiation.

 

Try learning how to play oberon before entering a debate on his usefulness. 

Edited March 4, 2015 by Sev7n

[KingAbelTate]

This is all false. Your inexperience shows because you cannot differentiate the utilities between the abilities you just tried to compare oberons to.

 

The difference between oberons heal and trinity's heal is that oberon does HoT (heal over time) while trinity does one massive heal.

Neither is better than the other because both are superior in separate scenarios. Furthermore oberons heal does not need to be max'd, it benefits more in balanced builds that take advantage of the HoT effect

 

Oberon can knock down a room with narrow minded in most rooms. In the ones he cannot do this it still reaches a large enough distance to have a noticeable effect.

 

The difference between smite and irradiating disarm is that ID causes all enemies to attack eachother while smite will allow you to focus one enemy and have enemies target it. (such as a heavy for example you can cast smite on and let all the lesser enemies destroy it for you). But maybe causing all enemies to attack eachother is better than 1 single target? Well guess what oberon can do that too with his ultimate since it causes 100% proc chance of radiation.

 

Try learning how to play oberon before entering a debate on his usefulness. 

thank you for your comments i needed that 

[tinyranitar]

This is all false. Your inexperience shows because you cannot differentiate the utilities between the abilities you just tried to compare oberons to.

 

The difference between oberons heal and trinity's heal is that oberon does HoT (heal over time) while trinity does one massive heal.

Neither is better than the other because both are superior in separate scenarios. Furthermore oberons heal does not need to be max'd, it benefits more in balanced builds that take advantage of the HoT effect

 

Oberon can knock down a room with narrow minded in most rooms. In the ones he cannot do this it still reaches a large enough distance to have a noticeable effect.

 

The difference between smite and irradiating disarm is that ID causes all enemies to attack eachother while smite will allow you to focus one enemy and have enemies target it. (such as a heavy for example you can cast smite on and let all the lesser enemies destroy it for you). But maybe causing all enemies to attack eachother is better than 1 single target? Well guess what oberon can do that too with his ultimate since it causes 100% proc chance of radiation.

 

Try learning how to play oberon before entering a debate on his usefulness. 

I learned to play him.

I tried to love him.

 

I can't.

Explained above about Oberon abilities. "Oberon is bad simply because his abilities require too many things. Most frame's ability require only duration, strength or range, or at most 2 of them. Oberon abilities are affected by all three, making him really mediocre and hard to mod."

 

Yeah Oberon is bad. Don't try to make him sounds more awesome than he is.

[Sev7n]

I learned to play him.

I tried to love him.

 

I can't.

Explained above about Oberon abilities. "Oberon is bad simply because his abilities require too many things. Most frame's ability require only duration, strength or range, or at most 2 of them. Oberon abilities are affected by all three, making him really mediocre and hard to mod."

 

Yeah Oberon is bad. Don't try to make him sounds more awesome than he is.

This is also not true. You may have played him but you obviously did not learn how to properly play him

 

Oberon is a frame that suffers from max builds such as going for pure range / efficiency or pure strength / efficiency like most of the popular frames.

 

Oberon benefits greater from balanced builds that do not focus purely on one aspect such as range or strength.

 

This is not me trying to make oberon sound better than he is this is me educating you on why he is a very effective frame and better than you seem to understand.

[tinyranitar]

This is also not true. You may have played him but you obviously did not learn how to properly play him

 

Oberon is a frame that suffers from max builds such as going for pure range / efficiency or pure strength / efficiency like most of the popular frames.

 

Oberon benefits greater from balanced builds that do not focus purely on one aspect such as range or strength.

 

This is not me trying to make oberon sound better than he is this is me educating you on why he is a very effective frame and better than you seem to understand.

What do you mean by not properly though? Oberon suffers from middle-ground syndrome so bad that it makes Ember looks good.

[Acos]

I have different builds for Oberon depending on what I want to accomplish. It sounds like you're building him under the assumption that he should have maximum performance in every ability all the time, which is likely why you're becoming frustrated. I have a general build I use that doesn't focus too hard on any single aspect, one that has maximum range and energy efficiency for spamming Reckoning as a crowd control tool, and one that maximizes the amount of damage Reckoning does for the farming that I never do (because it's boring). 

Instead of thinking of it like Trinity is a better healer, or Loki is better crowd control, or Excalibur having better farming capabilities: Consider that you are a Warframe that has good healing to help mitigate damage alongside you're good crowd control on top of being personally tankier than most other frames while still being able to deal a consistently decent amount of damage through your abilities. You can fill several roles at once while everyone else is focusing on a single gimmick. Personally I find that appealing. 

Also there isn't a lobster attached to my butt. 

 

[tinyranitar]

Also there isn't a lobster attached to my butt. 

I'm sold.

[TrinityPrime]

Yeah I love me some balanced builds but they feel more for soloing.  Most of my Trinity builds are balanced between duration/range/strength.

 

I also feel like most peeps roll their eyes and perhaps put me on ignore when I mention I've got more kills on my Trinity than all my other warframes, weapons, and companions, combined.  

 

The problem the op encountered actually seems more about random hosts being biased and desiring specific frames that maximize/support their gameplay choice rather than being about Oberon itself and or having a good teammate.  Probably the same kinda hosts who put mastery rank requirements on their hosting recruitment as well as asking for what frame you're using.  I quit any squad if they tell me to use battery Trinity while they're running energy syphon...

[Hyenasaurus]

'Irradiating Disarm better than Reckoning'

...because we're now comparing augments to a warframe's innate abilities.

Better I replace Trinity and Nekros in my squad, since my Hydroid has Curative Undertow and Pilfering Swarm.

[tinyranitar]

 

'Irradiating Disarm better than Reckoning'

...because we're now comparing augments to a warframe's innate abilities.

Better I replace Trinity and Nekros in my squad, since my Hydroid has Curative Undertow and Pilfering Swarm.

Because most of the time Irradiating Disarm is used in a Disarm Build, and does Curative Undertow buff energy? Also, Pilfering Swarm doesn't spawn health orbs... Soooooo....

[Hyenasaurus]

Because most of the time Irradiating Disarm is used in a Disarm Build, and does Curative Undertow buff energy? Also, Pilfering Swarm doesn't spawn health orbs... Soooooo....

 

[SHIR0B0N]

 

 

You're a waste of space in this thread.

 

 

OP; Oberon can heal and CC. He's meant to be played as a compromise of two different worlds. Normally, frames specialise in offense/CC or healing, and when they do so, they are stronger than what Oberon can do. But they can't do both.

 

That's where Oberon comes in. If you wanna be able to pin enemies to the floor and proc radiation everywhere, while being able to heal yourself, you can do it. If you wanna focus on healing people, removing procs, all while being able to pull yourself out of sticky situations, you can do it.

 

Unlike a defenseless lobster some people fanboy over. (Don't get me wrong, the lobster heals better and energy vampire is da shiznit)

 

 

He's catered to a certain style of gameplay, mainly support. His frame is a bit more trickier to mod, but with the right settings, you can turn him into an offensive tank.

 

If you need help modding him, don't hesitate to ask me for help, I main him and I got a solid build.

[tinyranitar]

You're a waste of space in this thread.

 

 

OP; Oberon can heal and CC. He's meant to be played as a compromise of two different worlds. Normally, frames specialise in offense/CC or healing, and when they do so, they are stronger than what Oberon can do. But they can't do both.

 

That's where Oberon comes in. If you wanna be able to pin enemies to the floor and proc radiation everywhere, while being able to heal yourself, you can do it. If you wanna focus on healing people, removing procs, all while being able to pull yourself out of sticky situations, you can do it.

 

Unlike a defenseless lobster some people fanboy over. (Don't get me wrong, the lobster heals better and energy vampire is da shiznit)

 

 

He's catered to a certain style of gameplay, mainly support. His frame is a bit more trickier to mod, but with the right settings, you can turn him into an offensive tank.

 

If you need help modding him, don't hesitate to ask me for help, I main him and I got a solid build.

Well kinda, I'm a little stupid myself so I'd prefer something simpler than Oberon.

Master of one Job is better than the Jack of all Trades is simply what I think.

 

Probably I haven't tested Oberon enough yet, but if you are kind enough, please share your build. After all what people stated here, I've probably missed a lot. I'd want to give him a try again.

 

Sorry if I sounded offensive though, a lot of Oberon messed up my mission and it kinda raged me.

[SHIR0B0N]

Well kinda, I'm a little stupid myself so I'd prefer something simpler than Oberon.

Master of one Job is better than the Jack of all Trades is simply what I think.

 

Probably I haven't tested Oberon enough yet, but if you are kind enough, please share your build. After all what people stated here, I've probably missed a lot. I'd want to give him a try again.

 

Sorry if I sounded offensive though, a lot of Oberon messed up my mission and it kinda raged me.

 

Very well. 

 

Please do note that this is my personal build. And this build particularly fits me. They are certainly ways to improve it, but I've had Oberon long enough to know that this is solid. My build requires 4 formas: 3 Ds, 1 dash. One D on the aura. How you place the mods don't matter, they'll fit within the drain capacity. Now my build focuses on getting the most bonuses possible.

 

 

I chose Rejuvenation as aura to further help Renewals heal, and to keep my health topped up. But honestly, it's preference. You could replace this with anything you want, I could put CP or Energy Siphon in there.

 

Now the real stuff; 

 - Redirection/Vitality duuuh what build doesn't have these

 - Primed Flow is a must. Oberon's energy pool is subpar and needs the most out of it.

 - Primed Continuity is also a must because Renewal's heal and Hallowed Ground depend on it. The more duration you have, the shorter the heal time.

 - Fleeting Expertise/Blind Rage R7-8 are there to increase strength marginally while not sacrificing efficiency and duration. They cancel out each other's debuffs.

 - Intensify further increases strength. Renewal is affected by strength, So having strength and duration gives off better healing over time. Smite and Reckoning both rely on strength, and with all these mods, they become pretty good. I found that Reckoning can actually take out T4 void regular troops (no bulkies like heavies or eximi).

 - And finally Constitution. "Why? Why that mod?", you scream internally. Why not Streamline? Well I could, but Streamline would offer not much of an advantage for Smite or Renewal (the latter being toggleable) and Reckoning would be spammable 6 times instead of 4. But my goal is not to spam my ult like a filthy scrub. My goal is to benefit all 4 abilities without too much sacrifices. So Constitution gives me more duration to further shorten the heal time of Renewal and gives me a nice bonus of knockback recovery.

 

Finally, Oberon has these (approximate) stats:

 

 

No debuffs. All bonuses. Strength is necessary to make both Smite and Reckoning pretty good, and to be able to heal about 1100 health total. Duration is necessary for HG to last a while, and for Renewal to heal faster. Had I maxed Strength or Duration or Efficiency, somewhere along the lines I would have a huge debuff. With this build, nothing is sacrificed, everything is a bonus, as small as it may seem.

 

Hope this helps.

Edited March 5, 2015 by SHIR0B0N

[tinyranitar]

But you know... Putting Blind Rage in the V slot gives you a little more... And he already has a heal, why bother with a heal aura?