Boar Prime

[Djego27]

The Hek already accomplishes what you're looking for in it's tight spread and long range.  What you're asking for is a rapid fire hek with a higher mag.   That's just not going to happen.

 

It actually did happen with the vaykor Hek.

 

As for the boar prime, with 40% base status and the old fire rate you could say it has some uses before the 1h mark in the void. You could also give it the 15 round magazine, the old lower damage and the old falloff of shotguns back, since all this changes didn't really do much for the weapon itself. Then it would be at least a option, not the most practical one if you don't want to play a lot over a hour without 4CP but at least something that might be worth a look if you use frames that can play out the full potential of the weapon.

 

A bigger ammo reserve would be nice as well.

[i_Lex]

This is a machine shotgun.

What were yu expecting? 500 damage per pellet?

 

spread over the pellets so 

 

500 / 11 ~ 45 dmg per pellet                 or                       500 / 15  ~  33 dmg per pellet 

so 45 or 33 dmg per pellet mostly slash

[i_Lex]

And they did change it.  Your building your boar incorrectly.  I did the same test as you and i'm doing more than double the damage per shot that you're letting off with the average build.  The only thing I want to see is an increase in max ammo.  Everything else about this weapon is fine considering the nerf.

 

Well , I can still say even players like mogamu running alot of tests can say : 'This weapon cant stand up against anything like a tigris and a hek / cant replace it or be a potential competitor from those 2 shotguns.' 

[i_Lex]

Tigris 1050 (mostly slash)

Impact

105.0

Puncture

105.0

 

Slash

840.0

 

Hek : 525 dmg (mostly puncture)

Impact

78.75

Puncture

341.25

 

Slash

105.0

 

boar prime :   184 dmg per shot (not considering the dmg fall off status nor impact dmg versus factions)

Impact

119.6

Puncture

27.6

 

Slash

36.8

[i_Lex]

Don't let this thread be forgotten!

[(PSN)UltraKardas]

This is a machine shotgun.

What were yu expecting? 500 damage per pellet?

 

I was expecting it to be good

 

6 forma in mine and it is solidly mid tier weapon. 

Meanwhile my other 6 forma weapons melt everything

 

6 forma atomos? melts everything

6 forma gammacor? melts everything

6 forma vectis prime? i hit 83 million damage with that gun <3

6 forma tonkor? Having a great time melting everything as zephyr

6 forma boltor prime that does 2500 damage a shot? Im wasting ammo if i fire more then 1 shot at an enemy cause it'll instantly kill them an the guy behind them

6 forma lex prime? feels like I'm holding a desert eagle prime 26k per shot

6 forma vaykor marelok? feels like it fires grim reapers

6 forma brakk? see anything alive lately?

6 forma boar prime? what is ammo? 

 

boar prime easily the most underwhelming shotgun in the game ( except normal boar perhaps )

[i_Lex]

 

 

 

I quote here

 

' With the boar prime probably being better vs medium lvl enemies and the boar , the regular boar being better with slash dmg vs higher lvl enemies.'

Edited October 19, 2015 by sniperbro-captian-PS

[i_Lex]

I was expecting it to be good

 

6 forma in mine and it is solidly mid tier weapon. 

Meanwhile my other 6 forma weapons melt everything

 

6 forma atomos? melts everything

6 forma gammacor? melts everything

6 forma vectis prime? i hit 83 million damage with that gun <3

6 forma tonkor? Having a great time melting everything as zephyr

6 forma boltor prime that does 2500 damage a shot? Im wasting ammo if i fire more then 1 shot at an enemy cause it'll instantly kill them an the guy behind them

6 forma lex prime? feels like I'm holding a desert eagle prime 26k per shot

6 forma vaykor marelok? feels like it fires grim reapers

6 forma brakk? see anything alive lately?

6 forma boar prime? what is ammo? 

 

boar prime easily the most underwhelming shotgun in the game ( except normal boar perhaps )

boar prime easily the most underwhelming shotgun in the game ( except normal boar perhaps )

that's all I have to say

 

 

for you guys not knowing what underwhelming means :

 

adjective

1. failing to make a positive impact or impression; disappointing

Edited October 19, 2015 by sniperbro-captian-PS

[(PSN)UltraKardas]

Imma go buy a sancti tigris cause its a shotgun that can have somewhere around 100k burst dps... Its ammo efficient comes with 3 polarities and hits like a truck. Oh and its decently ammo efficient and a high tier weapon

 

Boar Prime comes with a whopping 0 polarities and most of its damage comes from it rapidly shooting a large number of pellets that do low damage.

 

Boar Prime is the wraith twin vipers of shotguns.

tigris/Sancti Tigris/Hek (normal)/vaykor hek/drakgoon/kohm/kohmak/brakk/ make the boar look like junk... and most prime weapons are atlas decent guns...

 

any gun/weapon that people prefer/argue that the normal unprimed version is better needs a large buff

 

And the original boar had more slash damage.... where did all the slash damage go? did somebody throw it out a window? Brb imma go grab the boar prime's slash damage and while I'm there imma grab trinity prime some armor and the vectis prime a little more crit chance xP

[i_Lex]

So...

DE I really hope you see this

and take all these points in consideration any maybe give us as players and this weapon some love.

[JuanDeages]

i really want ALOT of people to see this post and post what they think of this weapon

btw the thing is , this is a primed version of a weapon , like (almost) all primes they are used and are useable in endgame. but this, this is absolutley not useable in engame

If t4 survival 1 hour in isn't end game, I don't know what is. It can go into late game. If you want to argue it isn't as good as other shotguns, fine, but you haven't even modded your boar, and you expect it to just erase everything. Rapid firing weapons need more mods to get rolling that single shot weapons. Fully modded, my boar does 39k burst, which isn't too bad. It also doesn't run out of ammo late game, suprisingly.

[(PSN)UltraKardas]

If t4 survival 1 hour in isn't end game, I don't know what is. It can go into late game. If you want to argue it isn't as good as other shotguns, fine, but you haven't even modded your boar, and you expect it to just erase everything. Rapid firing weapons need more mods to get rolling that single shot weapons. Fully modded, my boar does 39k burst, which isn't too bad. It also doesn't run out of ammo late game, suprisingly.

 

My 6 forma boar prime disagrees, And if your an hour into a t4 survival your abilities are doing most of the work. Boar prime's damage and utility as a weapon are horrendous. Abilities like vex armor/sonar/molecular prime etc can make any weapon good but that's the abilities compensating for the gun rather then the gun being decent. Ive done solo runs in ODS with wraith twin vipers. Doesn't make them a good gun. And just wondering... how many ammo restores did you use? cause if you solo-ed t4 the nullifiers shields take about 10 shots to kill each and 10 nullifiers can eat away all your ammo. And ancient healers will eat your ammo too. And bombards and heavy gunners. Or did you run with a team of 4 with corrosive projection? Ive gone an hour an a half with a team of 4 and mk1 batons with corrosive projection and man mk1 batons ARE SUCH POWERFUL WEAPONS

 

-edit- 

 

Pointing out obvious sarcasm to a tenno who doesn't know when a weapon is weak

Edited October 20, 2015 by (PS4)UltraKardas

[JuanDeages]

My 6 forma boar prime disagrees, And if your an hour into a t4 survival your abilities are doing most of the work. Boar prime's damage and utility as a weapon are horrendous. Abilities like vex armor/sonar/molecular prime etc can make any weapon good but that's the abilities compensating for the gun rather then the gun being decent. Ive done solo runs in ODS with wraith twin vipers. Doesn't make them a good gun. And just wondering... how many ammo restores did you use? cause if you solo-ed t4 the nullifiers shields take about 10 shots to kill each and 10 nullifiers can eat away all your ammo. And ancient healers will eat your ammo too. And bombards and heavy gunners. Or did you run with a team of 4 with corrosive projection? Ive gone an hour an a half with a team of 4 and mk1 batons with corrosive projection and man mk1 batons ARE SUCH POWERFUL WEAPONS

 

-edit- 

 

Pointing out obvious sarcasm to a tenno who doesn't know when a weapon is weak

No ammo restores, solo. Abating link/corrosive projection give enough damage against most units. Lex prime for healers. Hells chamber/primed point blank/blaze/two 90%s/seeking fury/accelerated blast/mutation. Corrosive heat lex.

Its not as strong as the other shotguns, but it is not that bad. Does it need a buff? Sure. It doesn't have to be god tier to be useable. Also why the hell do you have 6 forma on a boar prime. It uses two expensive mods.

[i_Lex]

No ammo restores, solo. Abating link/corrosive projection give enough damage against most units. Lex prime for healers. Hells chamber/primed point blank/blaze/two 90%s/seeking fury/accelerated blast/mutation. Corrosive heat lex.

Its not as strong as the other shotguns, but it is not that bad. Does it need a buff? Sure. It doesn't have to be god tier to be useable. Also why the hell do you have 6 forma on a boar prime. It uses two expensive mods.

ty for agreeing it can. use a buff

[(PSN)UltraKardas]

No ammo restores, solo. Abating link/corrosive projection give enough damage against most units. Lex prime for healers. Hells chamber/primed point blank/blaze/two 90%s/seeking fury/accelerated blast/mutation. Corrosive heat lex.

Its not as strong as the other shotguns, but it is not that bad. Does it need a buff? Sure. It doesn't have to be god tier to be useable. Also why the hell do you have 6 forma on a boar prime. It uses two expensive mods.

 

And abating Link is what made the boar valid, Lex prime does double the boars dps, I'm not sure why you didn't just use that.

 

My lex prime has 5 forma and it hits like a five forma-ed weapon Built it crit and it does 26k a hit.

Boar prime's reload is horrible. Hell's chamber/Primed Point Blank ( 1 away from maxed ) primed ravage seeking fury ( for that long reload and punch through )blunderbuss blaze and 2 elemental mods. Its the most damage you could get out of it and on its stats alone its a mid tier weapon at most

[JuanDeages]

And abating Link is what made the boar valid, Lex prime does double the boars dps, I'm not sure why you didn't just use that.

 

My lex prime has 5 forma and it hits like a five forma-ed weapon Built it crit and it does 26k a hit.

Boar prime's reload is horrible. Hell's chamber/Primed Point Blank ( 1 away from maxed ) primed ravage seeking fury ( for that long reload and punch through )blunderbuss blaze and 2 elemental mods. Its the most damage you could get out of it and on its stats alone its a mid tier weapon at most

The problem is, building for raw damage will not compensate for its awful ammo economy. You actually get more ammo in both the short term and long term running a mutation and RoF.

 

It is a bit better than mid tier in the current state of the game, but it still holds its own against all but the god tier. The Lex Prime was mostly just a single target heavy killer. The Boar Prime has better AoE potential with Seeking Fury and its massive spread/RoF. Its status is still decent too, coupled with the insane number of rounds you can fire down range, you do get some procs here and there.

Edited October 20, 2015 by JuanDeages

[JuanDeages]

ty for agreeing it can. use a buff

 

I'm not saying it doesn't, the changes during the "shotgun buff" did not help the Boar prime or the Strun wraith. I don't know why DE decided these guns deserved to be inferior, but they are. With a proper build though, it does get farther than people give it credit for. Its no Vaykor Hek or Sancti Tigris, but its not useless. Again, I honestly liked the "pre-buff" Boar Prime better. I wish they would at least give it some of its reload speed and RoF back. That would be really nice...

[(PSN)UltraKardas]

I'm not saying it doesn't, the changes during the "shotgun buff" did not help the Boar prime or the Strun wraith. I don't know why DE decided these guns deserved to be inferior, but they are. With a proper build though, it does get farther than people give it credit for. Its no Vaykor Hek or Sancti Tigris, but its not useless. Again, I honestly liked the "pre-buff" Boar Prime better. I wish they would at least give it some of its reload speed and RoF back. That would be really nice...

 

And any weapon that needs ammo mutation is a terrible gun...

[i_Lex]

I quote here

' With the boar prime probably being better vs medium lvl enemies and the boar , the regular boar being better with slash dmg vs higher lvl enemies.'

READ THE TEXT

I QOUTE THIS FROM AN HIGHLY APPRECIATED PLAYER.

Edited October 20, 2015 by sniperbro-captian-PS

[Djego27]

 

I quote here

 

' With the boar prime probably being better vs medium lvl enemies and the boar , the regular boar being better with slash dmg vs higher lvl enemies.'

 

That is a personal opinion, that is mostly based around modding the boar prime around something else then status.

 

No ammo restores, solo. Abating link/corrosive projection give enough damage against most units. Lex prime for healers. Hells chamber/primed point blank/blaze/two 90%s/seeking fury/accelerated blast/mutation. Corrosive heat lex.

Its not as strong as the other shotguns, but it is not that bad. Does it need a buff? Sure. It doesn't have to be god tier to be useable. Also why the hell do you have 6 forma on a boar prime. It uses two expensive mods.

 

Well you can use it as dps shotgun but given that other dps shotguns do more than twice the damage while being a lot more ammo efficient it is not really the strong suit of the boar prime. Other weapons can do the same, without the spread and short range of the boar prime.

 

To be fair people used it as dps shotgun before U17 as well for some reason. In a my status build it did a bit over 17k dps, since U17 it does 19.3k, around 1k sustained dps lower then your build. While this will create some issues with kill speed after the 40 minute mark and is not such a useful weapon vs non armored stuff, it cut down the biggest EHP chunks like bombards\heavy gunners by providing a sufficient amount of corrosive procs to produce red bars after 5-6 rounds, at what point they only take another 1-2 rounds since armor is more or less 90% of that EHP(this numbers are what you looking at on a 235% power strength Ember with arcane rage before U17). This was actually not to bad of a deal when it was usable with fire(what allows proper dps against groups) instead of blast(what results in very bad dps vs groups since halve of them will be standing and the other halve is on the ground, what means not all get hit at once). Combined with a damage buffing frame, it also fixed the issues of the boar prime against other targets, what made it a fairly universal meat grinder in the void at high levels and provided some of the fastest kill speed vs heavy gunners/bombards at L100, even if it is a lot more specialised status approach to a problem, then guns like the Tonkor, vaykor Hek or sancti Tigris, that do the same thing by raw dps just fine for 1h survivals in the void.

 

So if you play against stronger and stronger armor, the boar prime would be at one point actually a quite good weapon. However that is not really at the 1h mark currently, since my vaykor Hek still manages the same kill speed at this point against heavy targets(depends on the crits but it is less then a full 8 round magazine nearly all the time). While the fire rate nerf and damage per shot boost give it a bit more dps, it reduced the proc/s rate, what is actually the source of your kill speed against bombards\heavy gunners.

 

Overall the old boar prime was a lot better, since it actually could archive something fairly useful with status procs and the high fire rate, again it was never the soma\boltor prime of shotguns, but a status weapon that could perform very good in scaling content vs armor and with a bit of damage buffing could be made fairly universal effective against all the targets, but without the need for absurd dps numbers that the current generation of top tier weapons produce.

Edited October 20, 2015 by Djego27

[i_Lex]

That is a personal opinion, that is mostly based around modding the boar prime around something else then status.

 

 

watch that video I posted at 1 min

 

 

and you'll see what i mean

 

 

the boar prime doesnt feel and isnt a clear and direct upgrade from the boar and if it would be so you wouldnt do most of the dmg in useless impact

 

use this link  https://youtu.be/GLjLZLokSl0?t=1m

 

 

and if you think a 1 second kill is a direct upgrade...

idk what kind of brains you have then

Edited October 20, 2015 by sniperbro-captian-PS

[Djego27]

I have seen the video from mogamu before.

 

This shows the boar prime a bit better:

 

Even if I would never use vicious spread on it, not using punch through on it costs you a ton of dps and it is a bad shotgun vs infested since they fixed aura stacking on ancient healers(where you used it for radiation and viral procs and a secondary for dps) it manages to demonstrate how bad blast really is on it, even if the creator of the video might not even realize it.

 

It is also not black magic why the gun performs vastly different at 100% compared to any other status value, but a bug in the status calculation of shotguns that lets every single pellet proc. While this is not really useful for non stackable procs and damage procs on shotguns do next to nothing since they scale of the pellet it has some uses for corrosive procs, mostly because the corrosive proc itself is so weak by the way armor scaling works that only heavy stacking of them produces good results as well as the better CC procs in the game(electric and fire, what the weapon could actually use in a 100% status build pre U17).

 

Edit: Slash only helps if you use 4CP, where in return you would not use a boar prime. Other than this you face less damage against armor and robotics, while Impact is neutral vs armor and helps you with shields at high levels. Impact, different to common opinion is actually a useful damage type, even if that is mostly limited to status weapons, where it acts a equalizer to improve overall performance against all stuff and where you not need a lot of slash(like with 4CP, because you will shoot flesh non stop) or puncture(because you solve that issue with status).

 

This is my pre U17 boar prime: http://goo.gl/V4edCt

 

As you see most of the damage is in fire, that is neutral to everything and gets a 25% damage bonus vs cloned flesh what helps once the red bar shows up. Corrosive helps a bit with heavy gunners, while it is mostly on it for the proc it is also neutral to nearly everything. Impact helps a bit with the shields, even if I don't think shields are that much of a problem outside of moas at L120+ or techs, that are not present in the void. Puncture would not help a lot, since the weapon is already very good vs armor by the status mechanic and slash also doesn't help since you will still shoot with most of your rounds armor and the fire does the same thing once the armor is gone.

 

Edit2:

 

This is what I use today: http://goo.gl/0Hlw54

 

It might not look that extreme on warframe builder, but it actually does scale fairly well on a proper Ember build, to a point where it does noticeable better at any point during 1h survival, even compared to the vastly better pre U17 boar prime version. Even while I have to admit I do miss my boar prime, mostly because it was my most used weapon for high level stuff pre U17 and I kind of like the feel of it, even fixed it would not see that much use today.

Edited October 20, 2015 by Djego27

[JuanDeages]

And any weapon that needs ammo mutation is a terrible gun...

That speaks more to a broken ammo system, than weapon preformance. The Amprex and Synoid Gammacor chew through ammo, but they still do solid damage.

[i_Lex]

still it needs less dmg fall off and a tighter spread

[Djego27]

Why?

 

It is a point blank shotgun with a lot of spread to it, with a quicker reload/higher fire rate and that utilizes status instead of raw dps. It is just not really that good with the status any more that it would be worth a look and DE decided that shotguns are so bad that they should do hilarious damage at range and do twice the damage at close range as added feature, for the few people that still use them at close range. They also decided that status shotguns are so good that they for some reason unknown to me require nerfs what makes them overall pointless to use in a practical fashion at high levels. That in return obviously doesn't work out so well on a shotgun with a lot of spread, that is based around close range and close range only what mainly used proc stacking as it's main dps mechanic.

Edited October 20, 2015 by Djego27