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1 hour ago, Me.Church said:
What I wrote, is simple english.
If you don't understand that, then it makes no sense I write more things which would also be written in simple english.
I would appreciate it if you wrote what you meant in the comments. Perhaps I see things differently than you. No point being on the forums if you're not looking to contribute to the discussion.
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11 minutes ago, LSG501 said:
While I'm not stupid enough to pay stupid money for a riven I still wouldn't be happy if the only good rivens I have get a nerf in disposition and as such their performance drops with it. This is the issue DE faces, due to poor original choices in all honesty, if they nerf the 'meta rivens' too, so can you imagine someone who's paid several thousand for a riven being happy if their 5/5 disposition gets nerfed to a 1/5 disposition etc.
Valid points! I have my fair share of high disposition stuff that I would hate to get nerfed. I added another point to the analysis:
"If there is a widespread disposition change, I'm sure many players would be upset if they paid thousands for a 5/5 disposition riven and it gets nerfed hard. My suggestion is to have those stats grandfathered to the owner's account and when the riven gets traded the values will change to reflect the current disposition."
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3 minutes ago, -QUILL_PETER- said:
Analysis was not quick, and had no TL;DR.
0/10
Sorry, TLDR just added. Was still editing.
3 minutes ago, Me.Church said:I want you to think about this phrase.
"Too much platinum entering the economy."
Think very long and very hard about that phrase.
How about you tell me about what you mean by that instead?
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Rivens, some hate it and some love it. If you're one of the fortunate ones to amass an impressive collection, then you're on the side the wholeheartedly supports the riven system. For the majority of average/casual players, most will see rivens and the associated prices others charging for it to be a complete joke.
"WHY ARE YOU SELLING A RIVEN FOR OVER 5K PLAT?"
"WTF that riven is worth over $300 USD"
"is this a joke?"These are some of the typical comments you may come across when someone posts up a "god-tier" riven for sale for a very high price.
Is a riven ever worth a high amount of platinum? Who knows. Any riven's true value is the price someone is willing to pay the price for.
Rivens are a player-driven market, and the overall trend I've been seeing is that the prices for rivens have been steadily increasing over time.
I believe there are a variety of contributing factors that are driving the price trends for rivens upwards, and this is definitely a problem in the long run as the current riven system if left alone will lead to unsustainable pricing increases. This is NOT another rant thread regarding the prices of rivens - this is identifying the issue with suggestions on what can be done to alleviate the problem.As a player who has dealt with numerous rivens and someone who is well versed in the riven market, I have identified some trends over time. I started dealing with rivens during the summer of 2017 and oh boy it was a difficult time to learn the market. For most players who are starting to look into the riven markets, you guys are blessed with 3rd party resources such as wftrader/riven.market to assist in identifying price trends for various stats for certain weapons. Last year, all we had were forums/facebook groups/reddit/discord/trade chat in order to advertise and sell rivens. It was harder to gauge prices back then so things were priced a lot more reasonably from player to player.
Last year, the so-called "god tier" rivens were typically priced between 500-3000 platinum in most cases on average. One could easily pick up a 3 stat Opticor with a combination of stats such as damage, multishot, critical chance, critical damage and a harmless negative for between 2000-3000 platinum during those times. Due to rising popularity of the Opticor due to various Youtubers, the Opticor became meta and everyone starting seeking rivens for them. It was definitely expensive during those times, but compared to now 2000-3000 platinum probably won't land you something that impressive.
Half a year later, closing in on the end of 2017 the prices for those rivens have jumped up to 10k. During this time we see the rise of 20k Kohm rivens with 120% status chance, damage, multishot, and a harmless negative and 10k max range Scoliac rivens. Artax rivens were going for under 5k platinum.
Here we are, starting Fall of 2018 and we are seeing riven prices hit upwards of 50k platinum for meta Rubico rivens. Asking prices for the 20k Kohm rivens months back have gone up to 35k platinum. Vectis rivens which used to sell for under 2k platinum from last year with a -magazine capacity have gone up for 40k asking prices. Artax rivens have been seen above 20k platinum.
How extreme will the riven market be next year and the many years following it? At what point does charging 4300 platinum not give players the advantage they are seeking?
When people see the ridiculously high prices from rivens with the perfect ideal stats, this causes a trickle down effect on the rest of the riven economy. People with half decent rolls will automatically assume their rivens are worth thousands of platinum when truthfully they shouldn't be priced the way they are. For instance, a decent Rubico riven with just damage and critical chance with no negative is now priced around 2000-3000 platinum in the various markets. Even an unrolled one is going for 1000 platinum or more, whereas rivens for the non-meta weapons are going for as low as 15p.
The current state of the riven market is totally unsustainable, and it's largely due to the fact that there has been little to monitor the riven system in general. When was the last time we have had a riven disposition change? We also have a problem with how much platinum is entering the game. With the release of Plains of Eidolon and soon to be released Fortuna, there will be a huge influx of new players joining the game and a good proportion of them will be purchasing platinum which will then be available to trade in the economy. The PC side is notorious for the huge 75% platinum discounts, and everytime someone charges for discounted platinum the value of all other platinum in the game drops and this is one of the contributing factors I believe to be causing the unsustainable growth to riven pricing. Unlike buying slots in the marketplace which is a fixed cost, riven pricing is not fixed and is subject to increase/decrease based on player sentiments. However, with so much platinum entering the economy every single day it's not hard to see that people are asking more and more for their rivens. This is justified, as more platinum enters the economy there is more platinum which can be spent by players which pushes the prices higher and higher. Rivens are regarded as one of the "end-games" for Warframe and as such people are willing to pay virtually as much platinum as they can to max/min their loadouts.
The two major issues we have are:
1) too much platinum entering the economy
2) lack of riven disposition oversight in order to balance out the system
Let's start with problem 1. How do we address too much platinum entering the economy (PC in particular)? Unlike the PC side of Warframe, the console side pricing is generally more stable due to less platinum available in that economy. Players are unable to purchase tradeable platinum with a 75% off coupon code. This means less platinum in the overall economy but that is generally okay as the economy itself is more stable. Riven prices for consoles hardly go above 2000 platinum for the best rolls for the best weapons. The console side does get discount coupons for marketplace items which is acceptable because it does not impact the player economy much. In my opinion, the discount coupons for platinum purchases on the PC side of Warframe should be removed and replaced with same system the console users have in order to stabilize the influx of platinum entering the economy. I personally don't think it's right for daily tribute RNG to kick in which allows someone to purchase 4k platinum for $50 rather than $200. One of the reasons why we won't have crossplay is imagine the trading situation between platforms - PC users have a huge advantage with platinum vs console users. At this time we currently have no comparable "platinum sinks" other than rivens so unless something else is available which provides some form of incentive people have no avenue of spending their platinum. At most you'll end up spending 5-6k for all the slots and forma necessary.
Problem 2 is the biggest one - lack of riven disposition oversight in order to balance out the system. HELLO DE have you guys not seen the implications of leaving riven dispositions untouched for meta weapons? WHY do we have the riven system in place if you guys are unable to monitor the system and ensure that the rivens provide the most benefits to the weapons that are the most unpopular/underutilized? Yeah it's cool to release Prime weapons every so months but why do you guys fail to reset the dispositions to a base value or giving the weapons an absolute neutral disposition? Why are we letting weapons nobody uses anymore such as the Hirudo/Tonkor/Simulor left at the absolute bottom of the riven disposition table and not raising them back up? Your boi Tiberon still has one of the highest dispositions in the game at 1.5 after the prime release and it's one of the most popular weapons in the game. The weapon has been released for many months and the dispositions have remained untouched. Tiberon rivens have shot up to over 10k on the riven market due to popularity, the fact that it's meta, and the riven disposition is still insanely high. Gram Prime is about to be released but I seriously doubt there will be any changes to it's insane 1.44 disposition even though the Gram will end up outclassing almost every melee weapon in the game. Most Prime weapons are given significant stat increases over the vanilla variants and become very popular even weeks after their releases but their riven dispositions remain untouched. The old school weapons such as Simulor, Tonkor, Venka, Soma have such low riven dispositions and compared to some of the newly released weapons they have definitely been outclassed so having their dispositions bumped up would be ideal.
In a perfect world, the best rolls for each weapon should be valued relatively the same. The best weapons and the most popular ones used by the playerbase should be given the lowest dispositions as intended. Tell me again why a PRIME weapon needs a high riven disposition to begin with - they should be SO GOOD that rivens dispositions should be low enough that they are unnecessary. This should also apply for the strongest non-Prime weapons, they should have significantly lower riven dispositions. The weapons that become outclassed, and remain unpopular, such as the Tonkor/Simulor/Venka should have the disposition values increased. The absolute junkiest/trash tier weapons such as Seer/Kraken/Hind should have an even higher disposition above 1.5 as unless the riven values are astronomical they can't be saved. If possible, monthly updates on riven disposition values would be greatly appreciated.
"oh the riven system is too complicated, all rivens are unique, the database is huge, the process takes time, we can't change it easily, blah blah" - DE
- Instead of assigning every riven as a unique mod, why not just remove all the random percentage values and give certain stats an assigned flat value (i.e. instead of a damage range from 88.3% - 104.2% give all the rivens of that weapon with a damage value in between or at the max value instead)
- take out all the variations for the riven names, we don't need rivens with Visican and Satiata to mean exactly the same thing. This is even more messy with 3 stat rivens with like 6 variations in the naming scheme which means the same thing stat wise.
- streamline the database storage of rivens, and this means a riven slot capacity could be possibly removedOnce the database is easier to work with, changing riven dispositions should be a lot more streamlined. Have the kills performed by each weapon across the entire playerbase recorded and have that to be the basis of the riven disposition changes. The maximum riven disposition values should also be eliminated. The lowest riven disposition should be 0.5 and highest should be 0.01 times the number of weapons available in the game. This would mean the riven disposition values can be well over 3.0 which is reserved the weapons absolutely nobody uses.
If this change to riven dispositions was implemented, think of everything as being on a teeter totter. No two weapons would have the same disposition and they would be positioned relative to how many kills the entire player-base has gotten with them. Tiberon Prime near the bottom? The value of those rivens would greatly depreciate from now. The Hind still sucks with its current high disposition and not many players use it even with a riven, so let's continue to buff the riven values higher and higher (imagine it being at a riven disposition of 3.0 or higher) - would this convince more players to utilize the weapon? It's a balancing act so if the Hind becomes popular, the riven disposition will once again drop and another underutilized weapon will take its place. My hypothesis is that the rivens for meta weapons with the lowest dispositions would still be as valuable as the rivens for the highest disposition with a dynamic riven disposition changing system.
If there is a widespread disposition change, I'm sure many players would be upset if they paid thousands for a 5/5 disposition riven and it gets nerfed hard. My suggestion is to have those stats grandfathered to the owner's account and when the riven gets traded the values will change to reflect the current disposition.
Oh one more bonus problem is real-money-transactions. A lot black-market platinum enters the economy and unsuspecting players can be lured to purchase 4000 platinum for $20. DE why can't you hire someone to manually review platinum trades for over 1000 which also mitigates the risks of these transactions actually occurring? The losses prevented from these types of trades can EASILY cover the cost of hiring someone to review these things.
What do you guys think of this quick analysis? What other ways do you guys think the current platinum and riven situation can be handled?
TLDR:
- too much platinum entering the economy
- lack of riven disposition oversight
- lack of monitoring to RMT trades -
Greetings fellow Tenno,
I have a large collection of good to high tier rivens for sale. Most of them have desirable positive stats and good/harmless negative stats.
80+ rivens are available at this time. Great rivens for veterans who know what they want out of a riven.I have changed the formatting of my sales posts in order to streamline updates.
In order to view what I have for sale, please visit my riven.market profile:
https://riven.market/profile/OmegaI am also on Youtube! Feel free to check out my channel for some cool videos including riven test videos, cinematic quest playthroughs.
I am starting a new series on platinum making to help out the community! I will be releasing a video regarding the riven market soon 🙂
You can check out my channel here: https://www.youtube.com/c/OmegaWarframeYou can reference my past collection of sold rivens be clicking here
(204 sold rivens and counting! Thank you to my buyers :) )Recent sales this week: Javlok, Nukor, Drakgoon, Brakk, Dual Cleavers, Plague Kripath, x2 Plague Keewars, Gram, Buzlok, Staticor, Ether Sword, Furax, and Embolist
Today: Cyath
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Recent sales this week: Javlok, Nukor, Drakgoon, Brakk, Dual Cleavers, Plague Kripath, x2 Plague Keewars, Gram
Today: Buzlok, Staticor, Ether Sword, Furax, and Embolist
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Greetings fellow Tenno,
I have a large collection of good to high tier rivens for sale. Most of them have desirable positive stats and good/harmless negative stats.
80+ rivens are available at this time. Great rivens for people who know exactly what to look for - catered towards veteran players of that nature.I have changed the formatting of my sales posts in order to streamline updates.
In order to view what I have for sale, please visit my riven.market profile:
https://riven.market/profile/OmegaI am also on Youtube! Feel free to check out my channel for some cool videos including riven test videos, cinematic quest playthroughs.
I am starting a new series on platinum making to help out the community! I will be releasing a video regarding the riven market soon 🙂
You can check out my channel here: https://www.youtube.com/c/OmegaWarframeYou can reference my past collection of sold rivens be clicking here
(182 sold rivens and counting! Thank you to my buyers 🙂) -
sold: staticor, ether sword, furax
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I used to do staggered radshares with clan members. This is exceptionally useful for vaulted relics which come back for a period of time since there is value in all the rewards and it's worthwhile do relics one at a time.
This also works for new Prime releases. I notice that a silver uncommon component from an Axi relic is worth more than the gold rare if the blueprint requires two pieces.
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recent sales include: Javlok, Nukor, Drakgoon, Brakk, Dual Cleavers, Plague Kripath, x2 Plague Keewars, Gram
Thank you to my buyers 🙂
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Greetings fellow Tenno,
I have a large collection of good to high tier rivens for sale. Most of them have desirable positive stats and good/harmless negative stats.
70+ rivens are available at this time. Great rivens for people who know exactly what to look for - catered towards veteran players of that nature.I have changed the formatting of my sales posts in order to streamline updates.
In order to view what I have for sale, please visit my riven.market profile:
https://riven.market/profile/OmegaI am also on Youtube! Feel free to check out my channel for some cool videos including riven test videos, cinematic quest playthroughs.
I am starting a new series on platinum making to help out the community! I will be releasing a video regarding the riven market soon 🙂
You can check out my channel here: https://www.youtube.com/c/OmegaWarframeYou can reference my past collection of sold rivens be clicking here
(179 sold rivens and counting! Thank you to my buyers 🙂) -
I don't think anyone would be interested in watching a livestream seeing an invisibility Ivara and Covert Lethality for that long period of time...
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Inb4 host migration with 100 people
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Sorry OP, you are forgetting the fact that unless you personally paid for the platinum the cost of a riven is inherently nothing. There is TOO MUCH platinum in the economy right now. It doesn't matter whether someone paid hundreds of platinum to have it in the game or whether that platinum is from thousands of different players who have purchased it collectively. You can start with absolutely nothing and trade your way up to a point where you can buy anything you want with some time and hard work in the market.
I absolutely hate it when people equate a riven's value to real life money - your assets in a virtual game have no real value outside Warframe. You can pay money to play the game and buy whatever you want with platinum but it doesn't go vice-versa. Unless DE gives us the ability to trade our rivens for real money any 20k riven is inherently worth $0 USD.
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I'd like to see an auction-house style system where players can buy and sell items. All sold and purchased items are subject to a platinum tax for convenience which gets removed from the economy.
In the case of "bad" platinum, the platinum that is used for taxes should be able to cover losses suffered from bad platinum, thereby removing it from the game. The players who received such bad platinum from auction house sales should not be banned or driven into the negatives.
Of course in order to prevent economy tanking I'd propose minimum prices such as 5p minimum with a 2p minimum tax payable to both the buyer and seller or something along those lines. If trades aren't going through a medium that features some degree of loss prevention in the game then DE can do whatever they want with bad platinum that goes around so this suggestion mitigates losses for DE's end overall since there is a platinum sink generated from taxes that can cover bad platinum.
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Greetings fellow Tenno,
I have a large collection of good to high tier rivens for sale. Most of them have desirable positive stats and good/harmless negative stats.
70+ rivens are available at this time. Great rivens for people who know exactly what to look for - catered towards veteran players of that nature.I have changed the formatting of my sales posts in order to streamline updates.
In order to view what I have for sale, please visit my riven.market profile:
https://riven.market/profile/OmegaI am also on Youtube! Feel free to check out my channel for some cool videos including riven test videos, cinematic quest playthroughs.
I am starting a new series on platinum making to help out the community! I will be releasing a video regarding the riven market soon 🙂
You can check out my channel here: https://www.youtube.com/c/OmegaWarframeYou can reference my past collection of sold rivens be clicking here
(169 sold rivens and counting! Thank you to my buyers 🙂) -
We don't need an endgame, clearly anything with raised difficulty levels simply gets cheesed in one way or another.
There simply needs to be refinements to the various systems already in place. The enemy AI needs to be smartened up, I can spawn 20 level 150 corrupted heavy gunners in the simulacrum and only 4 of them will shoot me with a line of sight. Corrosive is overpowered in this game, and it clearly needs to be changed so my Kohm isn't proc'ing 20 status effects and stripping enemy armor completely after one shot. Stackable auras for Corrosive Projection turns every enemy into bullet sponges. Compared to other shooters out there, there is simply too much ammo going around in the game right now hardly ever do I run out. There are many other things we take for granted in the game which simply make the game way too easy across all all difficulty levels.
I simply wish for a "hardcore" version of the starchart that features every sortie difficulty condition and having every enemy spawn at level 150+ across all the planets/nodes which I figure wouldn't be too hard to implement.
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Recent sale: Gram (DMG/CD/-finisher sold for 3k and rivens)
Dera (MS/SC -puncture sold for 1.5k)
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Greetings fellow Tenno,
I have a large collection of good to high tier rivens for sale. Most of them have desirable positive stats and good/harmless negative stats.
70+ rivens are available at this time. Great rivens for people who know exactly what to look for - catered towards veteran players.I have changed the formatting of my sales posts in order to streamline updates.
In order to view what I have for sale, please visit my riven.market profile:
https://riven.market/profile/OmegaI am also on Youtube! Feel free to check out my channel for some cool videos including riven test videos, cinematic quest playthroughs.
I am starting a new series on platinum making to help out the community! I will be releasing a video regarding the riven market soon 🙂
You can check out my channel here: https://www.youtube.com/c/OmegaWarframeYou can reference my past collection of sold rivens be clicking here.
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I don't agree with stat locking, rivens should be solely RNG. Yes you get more bad rolls than good rolls but when you land yourself an amazing one it just feels that much more rewarding. The riven economy would tank and people are less likely to pay large sums of platinum if the harsh RNG nature of rivens was removed and this is a problem because DE knows a large proportion of the platinum charged in-game is for riven purchases.
However with that said, I would like to rivens being more accessible to players though a syndicate type of system. Maybe through something similar to Simaris for 100k standing? Also, I'd rather see the riven disposition changes become more dynamic and changing frequently to reflect changes in the meta.
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OP must be referring to this:
It's totally fine in my opinion, whatever gets the index matches over quicker. Duality Equinox with 300% damage bonus with a 30s duration on the clone is a lot more effective.
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Today while doing sorties, I was thinking to myself: "what's the chance I'd get a legendary core once during the time I spend playing this game?"
Got my first legendary core today after doing sortie 3. I squealed like a pig haha. I went on the wiki and found out it has a 0.18% drop chance and I was even more livid
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The Zylok isn't weak, it rewards people who understand build synergy. Yeah the weapon has low crit chance but there are ways to improve it (such as running Arcane Avenger, Harrow's 4, Adarza Cat's Eye). It will easily take down level 155 corrupted heavies if you have other sources of crit
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Let's see:
Nuke wukong was fun while it lasted, the mechanics were interesting. There should be some sort of mod that increases radius of explosions from thrown melee weapons.
Nuke trinity was also fun, the transfer of self damage was a nifty mechanic with Castanas. Perhaps they should just bring it back but keeping line of sight required for link so it doesn't go 40m through walls
Ember's changes to 4 are terrible, they should revert that change her WoF isn't even viable now for higher level play
DE is opposed to high range efficient builds but they still keep Saryn, Equinox, and Volt which have better room clearing potential than the examples above. Wukong and Trinity required niche builds whereas the frames that haven't been touch don't require much specialization. DE hates having frames run through level missions on Earth so how about adding a new hardcore mode to the startchart itself so I can go through the nodes with Sortie level difficulties throughout with cheesy builds?
WTS High Tier Rivens 🔥 80+ rivens for sale. Includes Plague Keewar, Gram, Quartakk, Braton, Attica, Sepfahn, Akbolto, Dokrahm, Cyath, Paris, Opticor, and many more!🔥
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Greetings fellow Tenno,
I have a large collection of good to high tier rivens for sale. Most of them have desirable positive stats and good/harmless negative stats.
80+ rivens are available at this time. Great rivens for veterans who know what they want out of a riven.
I have changed the formatting of my sales posts in order to streamline updates.
In order to view what I have for sale, please visit my riven.market profile:
https://riven.market/profile/Omega
I am also on Youtube! Feel free to check out my channel for some cool videos including riven test videos, cinematic quest playthroughs.
I am starting a new series on platinum making to help out the community! I will be releasing a video regarding the riven market soon 🙂
You can check out my channel here: https://www.youtube.com/c/OmegaWarframe
You can reference my past collection of sold rivens be clicking here
(204 sold rivens and counting! Thank you to my buyers 🙂)
Recent sales this week: Cyath, Javlok, Nukor, Drakgoon, Brakk, Dual Cleavers, Plague Kripath, x2 Plague Keewars, Gram, Buzlok, Staticor, Ether Sword, Furax, and Embolist
Today: Flux Rifle, Gram (one more Gram available)