Leon-Darkheart
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After playing the new update a bit and killed 2 liches, i think im right now in the mood to write a wall of text about this whole update and how broken the main part of it is, the "rival" system.
As for the other stuff around it, like the melee 2.0, grendel and the vauban/ember update, those are fine and nice but my main topic is about the said system.
Lets head back and "begin" a hunt for a lich and you see why i say that this update is "kinda" forced or "wrong endgame content".
Said here before, some of the things can be done out of order but it doesnt change the fact that you either have to do them or have to pay for some of the content.
And again, its a wall of text. i warned you but thanks if you read it. (also after reading it again, it could even be a guide...)
And imporant is: IF you read it, read it all. Dont just stop and leave a comment like "but you also can get the lich first try if youre lucky" - i know that, i wrote that down there.
1. Find a lich
First of all, you have to find and get such enemy to spawn in order to get a lich/rival. This is random and if it happens, ONLY the person who kills it gets one. Means: if you play with 4 people/random people youre pretty much #*!%ed if one of the other dudes kills it first.
I duno how the spawn-rate is but i tried to get one and had to try the same mission at least 5 times (by both of my runs) to get one said enemy to spawn. I think its also random in which missions they spawn but i duno the rules, just that i know thats random. Fact is, it should be a grineer mission.
2. Getting the relics for the parazon mods
To get this Relics you have to play the special Kuva missions which pretty much nearly to noone played since if you really needed Kuva most people played the Kuva survival mission and not those since you got way to less Kuva compared to the said other mission.
Playing the easier ones gives you only a chance to get a relic wile if you play the one harder one, the "Kuva Flood" one, you get a relic with a 100% chance (which was bugged, just to be said here). Said here, there is only one harder one, everytime wile they are other, more smaller ones everytime such missions appier - but again, the Kuva flood has a 100% chance you get a random relic wile the other Kuva missions (i guess if i remember right?) a 30% chance.
So summing up:
You have the chance to get just 1 relic for sure. IF you get another relic out of this missions is random.
Said here again, its also random again WHICH relic you get which means if you get a relic with mods inside you might dont need, its useless for you.
3. Opening a relic for the parazon mods
After you get one (or more) relics you need, you sure have to open it. That said, its again random what you will get out of it. Which again means, it can be the mod you might need or something you dont need. So here i can also say the best is to upgrate the relic for the stuff you need but then its again random what you will get out of it, even full upgrated.
Said here, i have to add that all the missions are so far "difficult" missions or even endgame-difficult missions (aka "HARD" missions), making it not really easy or "enjoyable" to play tbh.
And important here, you need at least 3 mods for your parazon to kill your lich IF you know what that means by now...
4. Farming "whispers" or "murmurs" in english (duno but you get it)
Lets say you got now all mods you need and farmed enough relics that youre sure you might have all mods you need for your lich, you still have to know the combination of your lich to kill it.
And here i say, it begins getting tedious. In order to unlock the right mods you need to know for the combination you might need to kill your lich, you have to farm "whispers" from special enemys in, again, difficult missions. Depending which kind of mission it is, a number of random enemys will spawn which you have to kill in order to farm said "whispers". The problem here is, one of those killed enemys gives you (for real) maybe just 2-3 pixels of progess - Which means you have to kill a LOT of them just to unlock ONE of the mods combination.
I didnt count tbh but i can say i had to do like 4-7 missions (depending which) just to unlock one of the mods combination...
5. Getting to know the right combination for your parazon mods
After you farmed now all "whispers" you needed to unlock all the 3 mods you need to have and know to kill your lich, you now need to know in which order you have to place them in your parazon. This mostly ends in a game of "mastermind" ala try and error which means you have to either get the combination right in order to kill your lich, and that means you have to try it at least some time so you know (or youre a lucky guy and found the combination at the first try lols), or you fail killing it.
That, again, means your lich needs to spawn, which is again random at the times but i know, the more you "piss it off" the higher is the chance that the lich spawns which means again you have to play more missions that the spawn chance is higher but still is random if it spaws or not, if youre lucky.
I can say, sometimes my lich spawned 3 times in the row, another time it didnt spawn for the next 6 missions.
6. the outcome
After you got a rival, got relics and opend them, got the right mods and find the right combination, got your lich so far that you can finally choose to kill it or else, You also found maybe out that your Mods for the parazon have charges.
Yes, In case you might saw on the picture from me with the pointed out "JAHU" mod, it already used 1 charge. That means, even if you have maybe farmed that long enough that you have all mods at least ones to kill a lich, the mods will be gone ones you had to use it for a combination 3 times, ends you up with the mods gone and right back at the beginning with zero.
Sure, you might have got a lich Kuva weapon (or the lich on your side (sorry i killed my lichs i had so i duno what happens if you dont)) but so far, the weapons i got are not really usuable in the endgame difficult - which you already went through at this point to get them. they are not "that bad" but, as for the effort you had to do, its just not worth it IF you think about you have maybe to start all over again if a charge of your mod is already at zero which means its gone and you need to farm the mod now again. And here said again, the reward, the weapons, are again, random. You can kill 3 lichs which have all other weapons or you can get 3 lichs which have all the same weapon with maybe just different stats.
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So in that conclusion, what can i tell you from that?
- First of all, you have to do a LOT missions, which are already OLD content just reused and higher difficulty, and pray that you have some luck since a lot stuff is way to RANDOM, as you might saw i pointed that out very nicely.
- You can get stuck in one progress way to long becourse of RANDOM dropchances. Which means, as sample, you might farmed a lot relics but you cant get "the one mod YOU need" out of it coz of the RANDOM dropchances pretty much just hates you.
- Even if you got to the point that far that all the RANDOM stuff happend to you and you got the stuff you need and finally killed your lich, the weapons you might got are not the best choise for the endgame difficulty you actually WENT THROUGH.
- It all feels forced and way to RANDOM and luck based, not worth at the end nor effort nor time.
- You cant even say now here "get gud" since its, for the most part, just pur, freaking, LUCK BASED.
(IMPORTANT EDIT:
- Even the reward from the Lich, the weapons, are RANDOM. Which means as sample, if you did already a lot lichs and got some weapons from the 13 new ones and the next lich you get has one weapon you might already have and the lich itself isnt the best (abilitywise), this "sustainable content" is just wasted time for you since you HAVE to kill him ANYWAYS, else you dont get a new lich nor CHANCE of a new weapon...
-Next to this, just for people who want the weapons for mastery points, you have to put at least 5 formas in the new weapon else you dont get ALL mastery points from them. Yes, you heard it right, 5 freaking formas. E-A-C-H.)
(Another edit i had to add here:
- No. Its not new content. youre just blinded to see what it really is: All old missions you just played normaly on normal difficult but now just slightly harder or mission types, like the kuva ones, noone really plays anymore. If you see something else, tell me please what you see next to the kuva missions or the mission types i or anyone else normaly did already or do in warframe
- Another thing is that the lich is able to steal your rewards after finishing a mission. ANY mission and ANY reward as you can see here from another guys post:
On 2019-11-03 at 9:59 PM, IamLoco said:
13 hours ago, .Grineer_Slayer. said:
How am I supposed to kill the lich, if the relics i need to get the requiems needed to kill it, keep getting stolen???
Sure you get it back as soon as you kill the lich but still, that is just fuqed up...)
Im serious here, i tried to enjoy it but thinking about what i went through just to kill ONE lich (and later a second JUST to be fair and try it again) to get at the end a weapon which is not a good opinion for the endgame difficutly which, at this point, i already WENT THROUGH and the fact that i HAVE to REFARM the mods ones their charges are gone is for me just forced, tedious, "NOT fun", and for FREAKING sake WAY to RANDOM, LUCK based and at the end NOT even worth the effort nor time.
Im sorry here again for the huge wall of text but i hope you guys read that and that DE actually takes this post for real and changes something about it. I sure like a challenge but a challenge should be fair to do and master and even "fun to really work for it". The effort AND reward should be worth it and the way of the challenge not "THAT" much RANDOM but right now, it feels like im running around hells hallways, nearly burning myself and get at the end a bottle of milk as reward for doing so.
I hope you understand and might have the same to say about this update.
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Which mod im talking about:
https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Pyroclastic_FlowWhats the problem?
It seems like since last update (fortuna).
If you use your 1 and use this mod, you sure store the damage as usual but their are 2 problems:-first, if you use it in the middle of the running ability to use this mods ability, you cant actually see the trail of it.
Screenshots of prove (sorry, i play it in german so maybe the time helps mostly there)
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1593274001
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1593273621
as you can see on the pictures, yes, the animation -is- playing but no trail or something is there where the ability should be.
said here, it makes damage somewhat/sometimes but you just cant see the trail. i changed my opinions already but set it back to my "standart", still i was not able to see the trail.As for an edit, im able to see the normal fire trail as you can see there, JUST not the special mod ability trail:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1593273389-second problem is, if you let your ability time run out, you still have your damage stored for this mod and as soon as you use the ability again, you actually release the stored damage and the ability begins again as normal BUT is not able to store the damage again, which means youre not able to use the mod ability again till the ability time runs out again.
I hope that get fixed soon and someone else can test that so that im not the only one who has this odd bug.
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4 hours ago, (XB1)EternalDrk Mako said:
i have a lot of animals so i typically clean up after them ,prepare their food and such when i get home from work, but prepwork for next day is faster if i get it done ahead of time so i do that before i head to bed.
and sure why not scrub my floors , i take pride in my home and like a clean house ?
if you dont like a clean home its up to you , but i like to clean its just how i am
i hope you know we are talking about nighttime. a time a person who works and every normal person too, should sleep you know? i have no problems about animals or clearn houses but i do that sure not in the nighttime mate.
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1 hour ago, (XB1)EternalDrk Mako said:
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didnt have much of an issue doing it when i get home from work , i typically play maybe 1-3 hours at night then do some housework and make dinner
wait what?
You play it in the night and then do some housework? What ya doing at your nighttime mate? scrubbing the floor?? No srsly. I go to sleep at night, duno what you are doing but ok then...
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1 minute ago, (XB1)EternalDrk Mako said:
honestly i like nigthwaves and haven't had an issue doing them
except for animal capture, but thats because im inept at those V_V
answer 3 questions for yourself:
- Am i a low rank player and/or new to warframe?
- Do i have a job or do i work at least over 6+ hours a day?
- Do i have a girlfriend, wife or family?
if all your answers were NO to this, you might can see where i am going with this...
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OK to put my 2cents into this in a more short way and not with that massive wall of quotes, here my suggestion:
- First, change the "wolf creds" into something like "alert creds" or "Nightwave creds" (you will see why)
- Second would be either gives us "some" creds with every challenge we finished OR every rank up, no mather which rank.
- DONT let this creds expire. You can mayyyybe set back the rank every now and then (meaning after "every event") but let us keep at least SOME effort.
What was the idea behind this:
In another word, think about how ducats work in WF, thats pretty much the idea i have here. Nightwave gives us daily n weekly challenges we should also be able to do and they shouldnt feel like a torture - no srsly, 1 hour a survival mission is just way over the head, just think about how many alerts you COULD have done and WHAT you would have gotten in the same time in the old alert system - i can sure tell you more then a "half rank up" for some girl on da radio...
So with every alert we do (or rank up), we get some creds, which we also keep and doesnt expire, and we can "choose our own reward" after we did a alert or 2. Of course, if that should be the case, the prices for items should get fixed but then again i dont get it that a "ultra rare" material like nitain extract is sold for just 15 wolf creds in a pack of 5 (no srsly, wasnt the whole joke about this said material that it was "RARE"???).
So in short: make the currency we get from nightwave stay forever so we can SAVE it, dont let it expire and let us get "some" of it after every alert.
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i hope one of the devs actually looked back into this thread
since they are there a lot people who already left a lot comments and emotions, ideas, feedback and critic there. I am dang freaking srs. i could go and point a lot comments out there but i dont get payed for that and its not my job, its the job of the devs here.
Srsly go read there the comments its a fuqing long thread already and i dont need to quote and repeat at least myself again.
But maybe since some are lazy to do so, here are some quotes n cuts from me about the new system (remember here, some of the quotes are from the first week and others from the new second week)
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got this problem which is "kinda" the same...
I got the mask
equiped it
went back to the plains
found the ghost theraist (or how ever you write this thing now) & the first shining thing in the white circle of the map
got a bit of story from the mask girl
now, nothing
NO shines
NO portal things to touch
NOTHING. literally.i guess i "found" a spot where SHOULD be such said shining thing and there was the opinion to touch it (screenshot is in german) but look at this:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1492425146
nothing. really. i pressed X way to often that nothing happens and nothing DID happen.
Mission is broke now. i runned around like a idiot and watched some videos about this mission but nothing helped. i CANT do this mission either is there a way to restart is (at least i duno a way how to so if someone know, tell me)
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i got this problem which is "kinda" the same...
I got the mask
equiped it
went back to the plains
found the ghost theraist (or how ever you write this thing now) & the first shining thing in the white circle of the map
got a bit of story from the mask girl
now, nothing
NO shines
NO portal things to touch
NOTHING. literally.i guess i "found" a spot where SHOULD be such said shining thing and there was the opinion to touch it (screenshot is in german) but look at this:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1492425146
nothing. really. i pressed X way to often that nothing happens and nothing DID happen.
Mission is broke now. i runned around like a idiot and watched some videos about this mission but nothing helped. i CANT do this mission either is there a way to restart is (at least i duno a way how to so if someone know, tell me)
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there is also another bug and that one "bugs" a lot.
if you shot the pyrana empty (the clip) insteed of reloading, it just switches the weapons wile you still have over 200+ shots for it to melee or prim weapon without reloading.
the "forced" endgame update old blood and how wrong it is
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Posted · Edited by Leon-Darkheart
exactly, the missions are not new and the enemys are just harder to kill, thats not new content in the slightest.
ANd as for the grind, yes, i would have understood it but its all based on pur luck. you can, as sample, be lucky at one part and get a lot relics but in the next part, you dont get the mods you need from the relics to kill your lich if you know what i mean - and even if you get the mods, they have just 3 charges, means if you killed some more lichs, the mod runs out of charges and you have to farm them again anew, which is also again just forced on the player and again, random.