Darayas
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That's just it. HE didn't make the choice, the community did. Even if he did 100 Corpus missions, he (and everyone else) would end up with a Grineer weapon that we don't want.
No, that's just it. You make the choice to support Corpus because you want a Corpus weapon. In the event that the Grineer win instead, that's just how every dilemma works, ever.
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I'd be fine if it were not rigged.
This is not really fair in the slightest honestly.
I'm 100% sure that the next wave of invasions will have rewards that favour the Corpus.
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I'm 100% sure that the next wave of invasions will have rewards that favour the Corpus.
And not getting your fav thing because of a choice that you made happens in every dilemma that doesn't go your way. Man up.
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It just says "free your kin" the experiments are happening regardless, the next Warframe is based on the fact that the Corpus are doing Warframe experiments. The only thing you are allowing right now is the enslavement of colonies by the Grineer Empire. Search your heart, you know it to be true.
...What? How are the experiments going to continue if you free your kin?
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They are the original holders of Mars. And they are doing whatever they are doing regardless. If you watched the last live stream they hinted that the Berserker Warframe is the result of Corpus experimentation. That's happening no matter which side wins the event. Put the Grineer in their place, keep the event close and interesting.
No, DE said that Corpus can no longer experiment if you defeat them in the war.
If you side with them, you're actively allowing them to continue making more of such twisted warframes...and more likely than not, turning them against you.
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The only thing that the fighting decides right now is if the Grineer will own Mars or not. There are no Tenno to save there. Only Grinner to help or stop. The Tenno we can save are just nothing right now. The same sort of nothing that the unaligned and Corpus civilians are. Will siding with the Grineer actually save anything? Time will tell. Siding with the Corpus WILL stop the Grineer right now. Keep it interesting, choose Corpus.
^ That shortsightedness is how wars are lost.
Allow the Corpus to take Mars, and you give them free reign to continue whatever they're doing with the cryopods on Sedna.
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The way I understand it the population of the universe isn't just Grineer or Corpus. And why wouldn't we be able to stop the Corpus later on even if what you say is 100% accurate?
Well, when it ends, you can stop the Grineer with a host of newly-awakened Tenno strengthening your side...or you can stop the Corpus who are sending crazed, mechanically-augmented Tenno against you.
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i will slay all of you weak hearted dogs in battle who supported the grineer during dilemmatic wars
WHO CARES IF A FEW BROTHERS ARE LOST ? THEY SERVE JUSTICE AND HONOR EVEN IN DEATH
freedom never comes without out sacrifice, if it was not for us brave and righteous few that are assisting the corpus the entire sol system will be overrun by grineer by the next solar cycle, THEN all tenno will be destroyed or enslaved under the twin @#&*(s
vile traitors
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Fair enough, I respect your choice. But as I said earlier in the topic, I believe that this would only be a temporary fix - by siding with the Grineer and securing more Tenno (ie the deadliest living weapons the galaxy has ever known), we can bolster our forces and make it easier to cripple the tyranny of the Grineer when The Gradivus Dilemma is all said and done.Ah, who can define one's self besides the individual? Our leadership has left the choice to us. We are able to choose our duty. I choose to stand against tyranny. I would rather be extinct than to stand for oppression in any capacity.
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No, but what he's trying to say is, if it was him in the Cryopod he'd be saying "Don't save me, save those 10 million other people" just like what he believes our fellow none awaken Tenno would think.
Since when was it a Tenno duty to save people? Who ever said we were their guardians? We're remnants of a bygone era, near-extinct and being hunted down by two empires. Our primary objective is self-preservation, and that entails saving Tenno where and when we can - especially for a cache of cryopods as large as this.
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I see no reason to prize the freedom of these peoples over the lives of Tenno in captivity.
The lives of many outweigh the lives of few
If we were talking about lives on an equal platform, that would make sense.
But you missed what my argument was about. These lives aren't on an equal platform. Considering what's at stake, the lives of the few Tenno (whose numbers, according to lore, are actually a very large percentage, relative to how many other Tenno there are in the galaxy right now) vastly outweigh the lives of the humans.
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Here's my argument for why you should roll with Team Grineer.
Brotherhood: Beyond saving a number of 'Tenno Sympathizers', we've had little to no interaction with the citizens of the galaxy. They offer us no refuge; our safehouses are self-constructed Dojos in the Void. They offer us no access to or discounts on new, advanced weaponry, and they have hardly helped our war effort apart from being severe burdens in Rescue missions that seem to have no larger impact.
I see no reason to prize the freedom of these peoples over the lives of Tenno in captivity. Side with the Corpus to halt Grineer oppression, and Alad V gets to chop away at the flesh of our brothers and sisters at his mercy. Why would you save the anonymous, distant people of the solar system before you save your own blood?
The Tenno are a tiny faction in a sea of Grineer and Corpus. Every rescued Tenno is an invaluable addition to our ranks - in terms of loyalty and brotherhood, and in terms of strength, as we'll see later. We won't leave these humans to a fate of oppression and tyranny, but when Tenno lives are on the line, that clearly takes precedence. It's a moral duty.
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Strength: The humans have already proven themselves as inefficient combatants in the war. Alad's alleged resistance militia have left no footprint on the war. Even if they did, they are a Corpus-organized force, and hence suspect of allegiance or sympathy to the Corpus conglomerate. Beyond that, the humans are virtually defenseless, so pushing the Grineer expansion back by supporting Team Corpus will do nothing, other than delay the colonization of the former's hapless victims.
The Tenno are almost polar opposites. Millions of Tenno are awakening across the stars. This pales in comparison to Grineer and Corpus numbers, but each Tenno is worth his/her weight exponentially in thousands of bleeding Grineer and Corpus bodies. A four-man cell can wipe out an entire galleon. One skilled Tenno can decapitate the head of an enemy's strike force.
Helping the humans will do nothing to strengthen us - saving the Tenno will.
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Balance: With the collective strength of the Tenno in mind, supporting Team Grineer will ultimately bring greater balance to the solar system in the aftermath of the war. Team Corpus' argument is that by supporting the Grineer, you will unbalance the solar system by allowing the Empire to expand. But the greater disturbance actually comes from allowing the Corpus to gain dominance. This is why:
By supporting the Corpus, you presumably balance out the conflict by halting the Grineer and allowing resistance to take root. But we've already proven how human resistance is futile, and Alad's militia will most likely be a Corpus proxy. On top of this, Alad will also harness the sheer destructive ability of the large numbers of Tenno that he has in captivity, and use them to forward the Corpus expansion. And we all know how deadly a Tenno can be.
You aren't just trading one empire for another - you are becoming an active agent of Corpus dominance.
When you go Team Grineer, yeah, you temporarily allow the Grineer to gain a stronger foothold. But you also bolster the strength of the Tenno by saving the captive ones, and the Tenno are, after all, the most powerful balancing agent in the galaxy.
When this is over, we are the ones who will be most capable of containing Grineer expansionism. We will do this in the way we know best - by filling their bodies with bullets, leaving their corpses in steaming, cleaved piles, and wrecking their armada like we've done in the past.
So - for Brotherhood, Strength and Balance. Go Team Grineer.
Rraahuud, Tenno.
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As such, wouldn't this event actually lead to a Tenno civil war? The ones siding with The Corpus are clearly traitors!
Shhh, don't start any ideas about a PvP follow-up event ;)
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nah, go corpus.
extend war to grind down numbers on both sides. (was pretty apparent that the corpus would be severely outmatched in this engagement if left to go it alone)
once both sides are exhausted, we mop up.
we're supposed to be guardians of balance, right?
well. allowing the larger force to expand and possibly annihilate the smaller, wouldn't be maintaining balance, would it?
of course, we have no idea what other factions / information is out there. because the lore.... oh wait, what lore? :P
If the Grineer could crush the Corpus so easily, they wouldn't have bothered calling for Tenno help. The Corpus won't be annihilated, the balance merely shifted. Besides, we were never guardians of balance - we serve only ourselves.
grineer are creatures, artificial monsters that are no longer human born of a mother womb
we tenno have more in common with the pure human corpus, we share their dna and heritage
to be greedy is to be human, to error is to be human, but the grineer are souless creations with no regard for any life
to support the grineer is to betray life and humanity, sometimes sacrifice must be made
Letting a greedy man tinker with your brothers and sisters on an experimentation table, on the basis of your shared dna, certainly does not forward 'life and humanity'.
No one ever said we were human, anyway.
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Small correction;
Darvo is a former Corpus.
Really? I thought it was confirmed in a Livestream that he was Grineer.
Oh well, I'll correct that if needed.
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Here's my argument for why you should roll with Team Grineer.
Brotherhood: Beyond saving a number of 'Tenno Sympathizers', we've had little to no interaction with the citizens of the galaxy. They offer us no refuge; our safehouses are self-constructed Dojos in the Void. They offer us no access to or discounts on new, advanced weaponry (interestingly, Darvo does, and he's Grineer), and they have hardly helped our war effort apart from being severe burdens in Rescue missions that seem to have no larger impact.
I see no reason to prize the freedom of these peoples over the lives of Tenno in captivity. Side with the Corpus to halt Grineer oppression, and Alad V gets to chop away at the flesh of our brothers and sisters at his mercy. Why would you save the anonymous, distant people of the solar system before you save your own blood?
The Tenno are a tiny faction in a sea of Grineer and Corpus. Every rescued Tenno is an invaluable addition to our ranks - in terms of loyalty and brotherhood, and in terms of strength, as we'll see later. We won't leave these humans to a fate of oppression and tyranny, but when Tenno lives are on the line, that clearly takes precedence. It's a moral duty.
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Strength: The humans have already proven themselves as inefficient combatants in the war. Alad's alleged resistance militia have left no footprint on the war. Even if they did, they are a Corpus-organized force, and hence suspect of allegiance or sympathy to the Corpus conglomerate. Beyond that, the humans are virtually defenseless, so pushing the Grineer expansion back by supporting Team Corpus will do nothing, other than delay the colonization of the former's hapless victims.
The Tenno are almost polar opposites. Millions of Tenno are awakening across the stars. This pales in comparison to Grineer and Corpus numbers, but each Tenno is worth his/her weight exponentially in thousands of bleeding Grineer and Corpus bodies. A four-man cell can wipe out an entire galleon. One skilled Tenno can decapitate the head of an enemy's strike force.
Helping the humans will do nothing to strengthen us - saving the Tenno will.
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Balance: With the collective strength of the Tenno in mind, supporting Team Grineer will ultimately bring greater balance to the solar system in the aftermath of the war. Team Corpus' argument is that by supporting the Grineer, you will unbalance the solar system by allowing the Empire to expand. But the greater disturbance actually comes from allowing the Corpus to gain dominance. This is why:
By supporting the Corpus, you presumably balance out the conflict by halting the Grineer and allowing resistance to take root. But we've already proven how human resistance is futile, and Alad's militia will most likely be a Corpus proxy. On top of this, Alad will also harness the sheer destructive ability of the large numbers of Tenno that he has in captivity, and use them to forward the Corpus expansion. And we all know how deadly a Tenno can be.
You aren't just trading one empire for another - you are becoming an active agent of Corpus dominance.
When you go Team Grineer, yeah, you temporarily allow the Grineer to gain a stronger foothold. But you also bolster the strength of the Tenno by saving the captive ones, and the Tenno are, after all, the most powerful balancing agent in the galaxy.
When this is over, we are the ones who will be most capable of containing Grineer expansionism. We will do this in the way we know best - by filling their bodies with bullets, leaving their corpses in steaming, cleaved piles, and wrecking their armada like we've done in the past.
So - for Brotherhood, Strength and Balance. Go Team Grineer.
Rraahuud, Tenno.
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Probably the same guy with multiple alts.
But I support the idea anyway.
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BS Translator:
I'm playing the way i want unless my boss tells me to play this way.
God what garbage. Maybe its the politics of the day but i'm tired of playing the game by the rules of other powers. Either stand against your 'clan' or submit to their rule like a good little sheep *pats*
Hyperion5182 Lord Marshal of the Kill them All party for this event.
I've been called traitor by people far more powerful than you. You think idiot even comes close to raising my blood pressure?
You're the one choosing to let someone else dictate the way you play for an event. Just like a good little Sheep.
As it stands right now without further information i wont be playing at all because that's just how i feel concerning the rules of this event. Take a stand and mean it. Might be a lively bunch of people but if it actively screws YOU what good is it?
Start taking responsibility for your own decisions.
You're taking this event far too seriously, Lord Marshall of the Delusions-of-Grandeur Party.
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I agree with you, women in video games are usually stereotyped, but the same issue goes for man as well, but that is besides the point, the issue I have with peoples solution to making her look more berserkery (I hope that's a word), is that they just want her to look like Rhino, big, buff, and covered in plates, that isn't better, it is not different than what people want for The Legend of Zelda, a lot of fans think that Zelda should be a hero for once, but all people want her to do is be Link in a dress, it doesn't make things better, it's just lazy. The feedback from the Warframe community seems to be that the berserker should be Rhino in a dress, this doesn't fix anything. Making her tailored to the idea of male's power fantasy only enforces stereotypes, it doesn't combat them.
Very, very true - ironically, 'empowering' women by making berserker females have a male build is just subjecting them to the idea that proper strength is male strength.
My main gripe with the design is that it doesn't convey any sense of berserker strength or ferocity, whether in a male or female sense. I think if she were built like a cross between an MMA fighter and a jaguar, that would be a more feminine angle that would still radiate power - think sleek, well-developed feline muscles that still ripple with tightly-corded readiness and speed.
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Anyone can tell you that bodies don't naturally develop to the level of a bodybuilder, if you watch martial arts tournaments you can see that most of the participants have thinner/lean structures, while if you watch MMA fighters, who have a heavier focus on body build, they tend to work their bodies with similar workout to that of a bodybuilder. You are right about the trance like state berserkers, but that's no different than having an extreme level of focus, these people were described fight for the thrill more than anything, it was the adrenaline that kept them moving, not anger, the whole anger things is also a stereotype, since the root word for beresek comes from berserker, it's a common mistake made by people who assume berserkers were all historically accurate versions of Kratos, they were also known to fight with allies, so the idea of them killing indiscriminately is false, which isn't to say all of them didn't kill a few friends here and there, friendly fire is an old past time of war.
The idea of them being mindless pits of rage and indiscriminately killing is just an ideal fancy, if they were anything like what most people thought they would end up like a Red Lantern, they were warriors who fought with speed and reckless abandon, they achieved by focusing on the rush of adrenaline that fills one when in combat/ in danger, there is no magic to it, they weren't mythical psychopaths the media made them out to be.
Of course, I never said I wanted a bodybuilder's phsyique for the Frame - in fact, I would love to have the frame built like your example of an MMA fighter (naturally a female one - and most female MMA fighters have bodies that are far more muscular and toned than your average svelte model, which is the physique that this berserker frame seems to convey).
While this isn't a debate about MMA fighters, I'd like to point out that workouts for bodybuilders and MMA fighters are very, very different, and their training routines and caloric intake differs vastly. There are very very basic similarities (i.e. both lifting weights in the gym), but it's as different as tennis training is to golf.
Also, it is not just a mindless fancy - though they weren't as extreme as the Kratos-type fighter, there are historical records clearly chronicling the berserker state, and the whole sort of cult-esque function that it had in the societies of Germanic tribes. There's no magic, but they certainly were psychopaths in battle. It wasn't simply a bunch of young warriors who were souped on a love for adrenaline.
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What? How? The most dangerous things are always restrained or locked up, and beresekers aren't bottomless pits of rage, that's just a trope people commonly attach to them,Germanic lore they are just warrior who fought with little regard to all life, including their own, you're letting preconceived notions get the better of your judgement. Making her more masculine won't make her look any better, it'll just make her look like a man, bigger isn't better, it's the little aesthetic details that make a character.
Yeah, aesthetic qualities that this character is completely lacking. If I didn't know she was supposed to be a berzerker, I would have had no idea that that was what the Frame was supposed to be.
There is a fine line between what is stereotyping and what is a naturally archetypical appearance. I don't want her to have huge bulging muscles because "that's the berserker stereotype". I want her to have larger limbs and a bigger build, because a life of explosive, dynamic melee combat is obviously going to develop muscles in that way (assuming the frame is like a second-skin/bodysuit).
It's the same logic as how a weightlifter's job develops a powerful build, and a marathoner's a very lean one. It becomes especially important when the look of the frame conveys a certain image about what the frame does. That's why Nekros looks like a right death-obsessed shaman, Frost looks like a powerful wizard-caster, etc etc.
Fun fact: Berserkers in Germanic lore did transition into bottomless pits of rage - going berserk was a trance into which they entered, where they could not distinguish between friend or foe, and did all sorts of crazy S#&$ from swallowing hot coals to biting the edges of their shields off.
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Now that just won me over to the Grineer.
I'll still chop Ruk to pieces, though.
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Oh lol it's this guy again.
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So much butthurt fanboys attacking the OP, it just really shows how bad the game development has become.
Where's the logical link here?
Loyalty Is Easy, Sacrifice Is Hard.
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Alad V's Berserker warframe was presumably a prototype. Support the Corpus and he makes more using the pods from Sedna. Defeat the Corpus and he can't make anymore.
I don't get why this is so hard to understand.