kuciol
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11 minutes ago, Sagittarix said:
I bet it took you ages to crawl through the whole forum archives to come to that conclusion.
I dont care, maybe somebody someday did but he makes it like it thrown left right and center. Nobody really cares about their size only those that try to hide behind pompous speeches. Its like with vets constantly crying about "new players" when no new player makes points they complain about.
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1 minute ago, (PS4)sweatshawp said:
Wrong. It’s 400 employees to date total @ Bethesda and with that being said there split into teams / groups as well to do assigned task / work for the company. The idea that everyone is a dev or senior dev that has grade A experience with such is humorous at best. If you can find any information to prove that as a fact or disprove my statement please cite your sources.
Its not total, its only Bethesda game studios, Zenimax for example are also part of Bethesda and are not listed there. Bethesda softworks and Bethesda game studios are 2 different parts, one is dev team and the other publisher.
4 minutes ago, (PS4)sweatshawp said:its not about “get bored move on” nobody is surprised people get bored of warframe or leave. It’s the low retention and engagement that people are worried about. We’re aware that no game is meant to be played forever it’s common knowledge. But the assumption that people only play warframe or just are here to complain is again very humorous to me. Something you assume and imply by your statements and how you carry your argument.
I never stated they only play warframe, you are making things up. It doesnt change the fact that they got bored. Every single F2P game has low retention, that just how it works, may people just try it and leave it because it doesnt cost anything.
7 minutes ago, (PS4)sweatshawp said:1. It’s an excuse that is largely used to defend or blanket DE from criticism and I’ve seen it countless times if not implied by how those who do mention it go about it...
Point me to one such topic. Nobody is using it. All people say is that you have unrealistic expectations and that 300 is not really big.
8 minutes ago, (PS4)sweatshawp said:2. While some games may be p2p or have more ways to earn money along with budget at this point it’s still no excuse. DE in itself is a very profitable and shall i say talented enough group to where they can compete and HAVE compete with titles that are subscription based or pay to play. Tera and Neverwinter have been out for a while as well and while Tera wasn’t always f2p in my knowledge it is now and I can say the content as well as neverwinters is updated slightly more frequently with more things to do as well in terms of sustainability.
Stop giving De excuses brother.
1. Im not giving excuses, im just not dumb to complain when i know how long things take.
2.Thing that come to both of games you listed are labeled as "not content" by community. They are also backed up by larger companies and pumped with a lot more $. The updates in those games are mostly relegated to bug fixes and balance changes, yes i did check. They are also completely different games, with different goals and thabks to that it easier to make "content" for them.
12 minutes ago, (PS4)sweatshawp said:The dev cycle is okay for massive updates I have no issues about that. But not having anything in the game until an update comes that a majority of the community will likely be done with in about 1-2 months if not less is saddening. On top of that not having a lot of replay ability or decadent retention or enough planned or produced to keep players over until these massive waits Is not acceptable either.
But they do give you constant content, it just happens that you play only that and get burned out. You wont be getting new missions, raids, new exciting rewards every week. Go check how many things came out within last 18 months. You expect something that has no way of happening. It not story driven game, its not mmo, its fkn diablo with shooting. Thats what it is and expecting something else is dumb. You wont get big content drops every 3 months.
19 minutes ago, (PS4)sweatshawp said:nobody has a gun to des entire staff making demands it’s simply suggestions on the forums. Stop being overly aggressive online because your really like the devs trying to seem like you yourself are an insider with info privy to the situation. You dont
youre a player like me and everyone else
you’re just like everyone else.
stop
Stop trying to save game that doesnt need saving. You are not entitled to those demands, no matter how you want to hide it you demand "more things" and thats all this topic is about. Anybody that understands how things work and is ok you label as white knight (dont try to hide it) when you are just a hater.
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23 minutes ago, (PS4)sweatshawp said:
Define people like you guy. I’m not a no life at all Bethesda has about 80 more employees then DE at this point so the point in bringing them up?????????
Its 400 devs alone in only bethesda game studios. Go check who is part of Bethesda, how many employess each division has etc. DE has 320 total, with PR team, devs, artists, publishers etc. Want a better, easier one to check? Try Ubisoft, they list everyone as one company.
26 minutes ago, (PS4)sweatshawp said:And i I have moved on again. Warframe is a game I do care about just how I partake in the ark forums for discussion on the game because I care about it. I don’t have to be playing the game activity to care about it. I can say last year I casually got to a point where warframe was to easy and such. Telling people to leave became you don’t like what there saying is not a solution.
Its not avbout "liking what they are saying", its about hard facts. You got bored, you should move on. You will eventually get bored of everything in life and there is no escaping it. People spend 5000 hours in one game and then are surprised that they got bored. Its so dumb complain to have. No game is meant to be played forever.
28 minutes ago, (PS4)sweatshawp said:300. People is a lot. There are AAA devs with less that have done more and made better single and multiplayer games that have been in high regards over many years. Look in this thread I listed a couple. Stop giving them the small company excuse.
!. Nobody ever used "small company" as excuse of anything, you made up argument that you try to counter.
2. Games you posted are smaller, newer, with 20 times the budget and team and have less frequent updates then Warframe. On top of that they are b2p or p2p so that means constant stream of money. I did play half of them so dont try to bs me.
32 minutes ago, (PS4)sweatshawp said:DEs QA team is the pc players lol. And befor you say de is struggling financially ask them how much they made last year off micro transactions and fashion frame. De isn’t a small company anymore struggling to keep the lights on stop treating them like that. People are going to hold them to the same standard as other devs in there field and size because to be frank they are doing a crappy job right now.
Nobody is saying what you imply here, they do amazing job. You are yet to give an example of a game that is f2p, on market more then 5 years and is updated as frequently.
34 minutes ago, (PS4)sweatshawp said:Now lets get into suggestions. Even if a players suggestions aren’t implemented they’ve been aware of these issues with retention engagement and more. Steve has stated these issues multiple times on dev streams. Does that give them a free pass heck no. If anything people should be harder considering they know these issues and can openly talk about them yet aren’t working as hard as many feel like they should given the caliber of game they are trying to make.
Nobody cares what you feel. You know nothing how the whole process looks and how much it takes. Let me enlighten you, railjack took at least 3 years to make, Duviri is at least 2 years away. Thats how long it takes. Its not about how long you feel it should take, its about how it actually takes. There is no way in hell they can make content as fast as you wish.
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21 minutes ago, (PS4)sweatshawp said:
It’s no entitlement and I play other games ..... actively and way mire then warframe. And that’s the purpose of games dude. If you don’t feel accomplished or fulfilled when doing anything it’s. It going to last. Nobody is demanding anything especially me in my comment because again DE doesn’t what they want. And it’s. It practically impossible. A large part of the community has offered doubt suggestions and has been very vocal about what they’d like to see. Even so without suggestions from the community the Devs said they want players to feel more fulfilled and accomplished while playing their game and play longer. Yet only put out shirt burst of content that has neither of the above mentioned for the majority. It’s quite the contradiction. But the same can be said about you with entitlement and your comment. By no means am I trying to be rude when I say this but why are you entitled to defend DE in this regard
Most things what people like you want would be dead on arrival. You expect something that will never happen. When you get bored of a game you move on, the end. Also the "large part of the community" is the same 15-20 people circle jerking in those topics. You are delusional if you think you will ever get anything engaging simply because you will no-life the sh.. out of everything new and burn out after 2 weeks. Also DE IS small company, 300 people is like nothing, just google Bethesda. The big boys have bigger QA teams then whole DE. Warframe is one of the most frequently updated game on market. Every time i asked for some examples of other, better ones it turned out to be lies. You have just unrealistic expectations because you got bored, end of story. You will never be satisfied.
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16 minutes ago, SordidDreams said:
Yes? And? That's perfectly consistent with the definition, which simply states that pay-to-win is the option to pay to progress faster. Which WF absolutely does give you.
"makes the game largely unbalanced even for people who have skill in the game without paying."
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Just now, SordidDreams said:
Warframe in a nutshell.
Dude its not. In warframe you can compete if you have skill and it gives you access to everything. I didnt scroll "all way down" its 4th, i picked it because it was shorter but all of them say the same thing. If you dont HAVE TO pay to win its not P2W. With that i end that discussion definitively since now you will try to argue widely accepted definitions.
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3 hours ago, SordidDreams said:
Ah, yes, thank you for posting a definition that supports my position in this matter. I wasn't expecting to change your mind and agree with me, but I'm delighted that you have.
Games that let you buy better gear or allow you to make better items then everyone else at a faster rate and then makes the game largely unbalanced even for people who have skill in the game without paying.
Any game policy where specific content needed to win is locked behind pay walls. Forcing people to pay, in order to access said content. While none can gain access to the content though other in game methods (combat, trading, etc)
Very supportive of your point yes. Except its contradictory to everything you stated so far. It perfectly supports what i said, its about how the game is a whole and not what it sells.
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1 hour ago, SordidDreams said:
I was trying to do you a favor, but okay. Have a nice day.
here grab this :
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pay-to-win
I forgot this existed.
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5 hours ago, (XB1)Rust Plague said:
Funny thing about opinions, your's can be nullified the same way you nullify others. You're not special.
But that doesnt make it wrong. If you try to speak on a matters you know close to nothing you are just a moron, thats my opinion and you are free to prove me wrong.
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3 hours ago, SordidDreams said:
[citation needed]
Nah im done wasting my time on you.
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2 hours ago, (XB1)Rust Plague said:
Everyone has a right to thier opinion regardless if it's valid or not. It's not your place to judge.
Judging is also an opinion and in my opinion they have no right to have one. Its like with flat earthers, they dont know any better and i have the right to call them out.
2 hours ago, Bioness said:People in this threads are just mindlessly following the rest of the Warframe hive mind in that they refused, absolutely refused to see how Warframe can be viewed as pay-to-win, despite boosters being so heavily built into the game. Could you imagine the outrage that would come from Path of Exile or World of Warcraft if experience, currency, and resource boosters were added?
Different games, different impact boosters would have. In warframe they are meaningless. You are misusing the term, P2W is reserved for games where payment is required to be relevant. According to your definition there isnt a single game out there that isnt P2W and thats stupid. Its not "hive mind" its just your points are completely ridiculous and nobody agrees.
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2 minutes ago, (PS4)sweatshawp said:
Warframe is and is categorized as a live service meant for players to play as much a possible for as long as possible but it is a casual game. Fundamentally those ideas clash and don’t work well with each other being that DE has no clear intent of going fully into either or
There are plenty of live service casual games, those are not mutually exclusive. Live service means only that the game will be expanding, be supported for a long period of time with new content, balance patches etc. Mission last between 2-20 minutes, you have limits on everything, you have timers to make sure you come back, there are various catch up mechanics, your gear isnt invalidated as time goes (because new tier arrived for example), game itself is not very skill demanding etc, thats what makes it casual. You can even have competitive casual games like hearthstone for example where worse player can still win.
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7 hours ago, SordidDreams said:
But it is pay to win. You can pay to get stuff either quicker or even immediately, without having to earn it.
No. You are just misusing the term. P2W is when you are forced to pay. Having something faster doesnt automatically make it p2w. It gives you no advantage to have things faster. End result is the same.
3 hours ago, Bioness said:I personally consider Warframe pay-to-win, but I also don't see their pay-to-win style as a bad thing.
You are also misusing that term. P2W is a bad thing, it means you are enforced to pay to be able to compete. In warframe there is no competition in the first place and you have no advantage over full free to play player even after spending 10k$, he will catch up and there wont be any difference between you and him.
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Just now, nslay said:
For the record, I never once felt Warframe to be P2W... but I did have this back-and-forth on the D3 forums when I was sharing my Warframe experiences there. Anyway, I took their position as used against me and did the same here. So that's what it's like... only you have few to no Warframe players on the D3 forums, so it's harder to argue.
Arguing with somebody that doesnt play game is pointless because he has no idea what he is talking about. You shouldnt even start. Im not saying you need to get to max level and grind endgmae to have opinion but you should have at the very least an idea how the game in general works. In warframe i would say you would have to finish startchart to be entiteled to have opinion. In diablo you would have to play for at least 3 seasons etc. In PoE this would be yellow elder. In general far enough to know what you are doing and can hold your own.
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Just now, nslay said:
You're absolutely right. There is nothing gained by this thread! We have completely wasted our time on what is effectively a "maybe, maybe not" on a game that is entirely in the gray area. Though I did enjoy the the monetization video some pages back.
Well i had time to waste so i did, im just watching youtube and have 2nd tab open.
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5 minutes ago, nslay said:
No, it's precisely subjective. I gave you an example of an opinion held by people on the Diablo 3 forum. We hold different opinions about the matter. Voila, subjective.
People that dont play game have no right to have opinion. If you know how the game operates and know how the acquisition and progression in said game works then you are entitled to one. I know for example that there are some kinds of boosters in BDO but i didnt play it so i wont judge if its p2w or not, i simply dont know how pressured you are to use them. The question i asked is not about opinion or feelings. You refuse to even attempt to answer because you know the there is nothing to be gained.
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1 minute ago, Aldain said:
I honestly can't figure out this thread.
Why? :D. Its not that complicated. Some people say that boosters in warframe are p2w and some say they are not.
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2 minutes ago, nslay said:
Well, as you can see from this thread, that's entirely subjective isn't it? I mean, I honestly don't care if someone bought Gauss while I spend a week farming and building him (which is what I did). It doesn't bother me in the slightest. But some folks in the Diablo 3 forums will criticize this great game over that because I guess they feel some player with a resource or affinity booster will somehow one up them? I mean, everyone is so casually mixed together in gameplay from new player (me) to veteran that I honestly don't think anyone will know or care if somebody else bought Prime Access or a booster.
Its not really subjective. Its very simple straight forward question. What do you gain by having something (anything) 3 days faster then somebody else when there wont be any difference after a week? I dont give a flying f..k what those diablo 3 hypocrites think. We are talking about somebody who plays D3 over PoE or Grim Dawn FFS. You cant take them seriously.
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2 minutes ago, nslay said:
Do you see the quote? It's not there!
And yes, my point still stands. For example, if you spend cash to buy plat and then buy a booster, you gain a gameplay advantage over a non-paying player... if you care
I will ask again. What advantage does it give you that you have something faster? In a week there wont be any difference between the two.
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Just now, SordidDreams said:
You still have to earn it by playing, though. You can't just pay money and instantly receive a daedric sword.
If boosters were irrelevant, people wouldn't constantly complain about kuva farming.
People will always complain about everything, especially when it comes to rivens that imo should be atleast reworked if not removed. If you really want a booster you can get it for free but it is in no way mandatory.
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Just now, SordidDreams said:
I mean, yeah, of course the expansions give you access to more weapons and stuff. They'd be pretty poor expansions if they didn't have new toys for you to play with. And yeah, you totally can buy your way to power in WF, either directly by buying items or by buying boosters. That's not something you can do in Skyrim. There's nowhere you can pay Bethesda to give you an XP booster or a daedric sword.
You actually can, you buy DLC that gives you that as reward. Also the gameplay in Skyrim makes spells, weapons and shouts more relevant then exp or any resource in warframe. It would be equal to DE locking half of the frames behind premium shop like tennogen is (no plat, just cash). Boosters are irrelevant.
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Just now, SordidDreams said:
But all that stuff is content, you're buying content. You're not buying victory, or an easier path to victory, you're buying more content to play through.
You buy items exclusive to that content, you gain access to skills, weapons and progression you would never be able to have, you buy access to skill books and progression beyond that of normal game. You need to shell out money to even start. In warframe you also dont buy victory or easier path, there is nothing to win in the first place. Booster being here are not relevant because they are not mandatory in any way, progression without them is not even remotely hard. You also have access to them without spending anything. In skyrim you dont so skyrim is more pay 2 win then warframe.
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Just now, SordidDreams said:
Wait, what? Skyrim has purchaseable boosters? Where do you buy them?
There are whole skills and items locked behind paywall aka dlc, there are skill books in those dlc, there are artifact locked behind dlc, whole game is locked behind paywall. Stop acting like you are idiot or 5.
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Just now, SordidDreams said:
According to what I said, Skyrim is p2w? But I specifically pointed to Skyrim as an example of a game that's not p2w. The contradiction seems pretty clear to me.
According to everything else you said.... You point out what you consider p2w in other games while completely ignoring that skyrim has that too. Im done wasting more time on you, because it clear you are just a troll.
We cut them some slack guys besides we dont know anything yet
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Again you are making things up. Ive never said they are working on 1 thing. All i askedwas for you to check how many employees whole bethesda has. Its to many smaller branches so i asked you to check Ubisoft.
No im not implying anything, im calling you out on bs because nobody uses their size as justification, ever. Im also stating a fact that 300 people is not big company by any means.
And yet you base it on what? Hopes and dreams? You didnt provide a single valid example yet. You also ignore game design, warframe is not suited for "sustainable content", simple things like itemization and casual nature of warframe prevents that. It will never be challenging because thats not what this game is about. Also how do you determine how challenging is "enough"? What is this mythical sustainable, rewarding content? The things that already failed maybe? You know raids, dark sector, pvp etc? Hint: nobody wanted to play that. What you call "better" i call trash tier, i dont want to play those things, if i wanted i would be there not here in the first place. Now convince me why they should chose your approach over mine.
Yes you are, thats why you made this topic in the first place and constantly cry about sustainable content and voicing your concerns.
You tend to not interract with it but you are still here, weird. Im voicing my opinion that i consider those complains dumb.
You have google just as me and you are not so important to waste my time doing the research for you. Tip: you need to google each part of Bethesda individually because for some reason they dont list whole company employment state. Same with Blizzard and Activision , they made it separately but are one company, its just 2 of them so its easy counting.