Nnazqul Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 You aren't charged full price, you are charged 'current price'. The market prices may fall or raise as the game continues. Also the cash shop works, I would not say it is fully functional until it is reasonable and balanced. You don't have to. You can chose not to play. As I said before, if this isn't supposed to be the test server where unrefined stuff is put, then please move me to the test server so I can play with the newest toys and give my thoughts on them while you can be left on a server that gets the updates I tested 2-6 months down the road, which is how Beta vs Live servers tend to be in finished games. You have zero argument.I mean , you're only going at it still for the sake of arguing. Arguments like , ''if you don't like it , quit'' , ''current price''..like seriously?That's just playing with words when you've ran out of anything valid to say. Truth is , game is out for a while now and this so called beta is just a pretense.And they'll go on with it indefinitely.There's absolutely no difference betwen this game and a fully released game that implements new stuff all the time.They're just hiding under the pretense of a beta game so they can get off with it cheap.You cannot argue with that , you cannot agree with that.So don't.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makya Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 They're just hiding under the pretense of a beta game so they can get off with it cheap.You cannot argue with that , you cannot agree with that.So don't.. It is not hiding, not matter how much you try to convince me that it is. It really is a difference of opinion. It is kind of easy to see this is just a Beta game to myself, while the controls work, the content is only half in place and is constantly being redone and re-balanced.. that sells Beta to me, because you can throw money at it means nothing. If you wish to yell, shout, *@##$ or moan about it being beta in name only, prove step by step how it is not beta and how it differentiated from a beta game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nnazqul Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 It is not hiding, not matter how much you try to convince me that it is. It really is a difference of opinion. It is kind of easy to see this is just a Beta game to myself, while the controls work, the content is only half in place and is constantly being redone and re-balanced.. that sells Beta to me, because you can throw money at it means nothing. If you wish to yell, shout, $#*(@ or moan about it being beta in name only, prove step by step how it is not beta and how it differentiated from a beta game. No ,test games are not fully functional games that we get to test every time with a new update.That's just ridiculous.It's just a silly strategy adopted by some of the companies nowadays so they can get off with it cheap. Just like mechwarrior finaly released the game after a period of over an year in beta without even a distinct feature. I've played many test games in my time .To call this a beta game is just pushing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makya Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 No ,test games are not fully functional games that we get to test every time with a new update.That's just ridiculous.It's just a silly strategy adopted by some of the companies nowadays so they can get off with it cheap. Just like mechwarrior finaly released the game after a period of over an year in beta without even a distinct feature. I've played many test games in my time .To call this a beta game is just pushing it. If that is all you have to say you know better than DE what beta is.. I'll tip my hat to DE and listen to them about WF's status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nnazqul Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 (edited) If that is all you have to say you know better than DE what beta is.. I'll tip my hat to DE and listen to them about WF's status. If that's all you're trying to argue that Warframe is ''technically'' in beta.I mean, it obviously @(*()$ is.Are we playing dum'? But tell me what game doesn't have updates and are constantly being reworked and rebalaced even after release? All of them. Warframe is a fully functional game with a fully functional cash shop and could be released even tomorrow.Call me old school but testing a game used to serve an actual purpose.If you knew something about games you would realise the difference. Edited January 6, 2014 by Nnazqul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makya Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 (edited) But tell me what game doesn't have updates and are constantly being reworked and rebalaced even after release? All of them. How many of then utterly change how their damage system works, redesigns classes, massively revamp the mechanics as DE and shown that they are not just willing to do but to me is almost expected every major update? Nothing is stable, nothing is final, everything can change with the next Update, that is what Beta means. Edited January 6, 2014 by Makya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nnazqul Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 How many of then utterly change how their damage system works, redesigns classes, massively revamp the mechanics as DE and shown that they are not just willing to do but to me is almost expected every major update? Nothing is stable, nothing is final, everything can change with the next Update, that is what Beta means. Guild Wars 2 utterly reworks their game all the time.Takes feedback and adjusts accordinly.There 1 example. It doesn't matter if they're reworking their game it matters if it's functional.Game can change at any time no matter the status. With this you lost all credibility. Excuse me? With this you made zero point.Bravo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nnazqul Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 You say all games get constant updates and rebalance after release. This is absolutely not true. right genius because I totaly made an absolute statement about everything. great talking to you facepalm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalu__Ka Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 You said "all of them". Seems like an absolute statement to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zyfe3rX Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 PTFFFF Just like Braton Vandal, Twin V-W will get nerfed tooo.. Hey ... he is running with cool gun with cool sounds and it seems OP... MUST MAKE FORUM THREAD AND CRY TILL THEY NERF IT.. thats the community duh ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nnazqul Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 (edited) You said "all of them". Seems like an absolute statement to me. ok ,you're brilliant. next time I make a broad generalization, I wont forget to specify exacly I mean .Just for dummies. great talking to you again Edited January 6, 2014 by Nnazqul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalu__Ka Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 lol, ok. Have a nice day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaumatos Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Seriously, This event was out for 2 weeks or so wasnt it? IF THAT WAS TOO LONG FOR YOU TO: find the plants for antitoxins lurk in recruiting long enough to find a ride to a vermillion run con a friend into carrying you TOO BAD Im really lookin forward to these potentially end game weapons. I carried some clannies. Carried some randoms.. I EARNED them. DONT, TOUCH THEM, after you give them to us! THALL SHALL NOT NERF! So let me get this straight, because you played their game for a short while, and then waited and did nothing for two weeks, you deserve something? Wow. What a baby. You deserve nothing. They want to give people stuff so they keep playing the game, but they don't have to and are by no means required to. And like every sane person here, all weapons and frames should be balanced. "OP" (which means "over powered" for a reason) needs to be nerfed for the health of the game. Why is it so hard for people to see that? ... Children these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lautalocos Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 no , I think they can play the dam weapon for a few minutes before they release it It doesn't take no extensive testing to see if the weapons are dam ridiculous or not.The fact that these things keep flowing in just shows they don't give a S#&$. Who do you think you're kidding.Who do you think they're kidding.This is not a beta game.When you start paying real money it stops being a test game.You're essentially paying for a reduced version of the game.Someone put it realy well..These are not real beta tests anymore, these are payed previews.You can't hide behind this kind of sorry excuses anymore.Not when they make you pay full price to test their game. oh yeah, you can balance a weapon with 3 seconds of testing. totally dude. also, the "oh, you can pay, so it´s no beta" thing doesn´t make sense. first, they don´t make us pay full price, this is a free to play game. second, you dont have to pay anything, it´s a payed preview if you want to third, the game is incomplete (that IS a beta). they are going to rework melee combat, and they are still adding features for crying out loud. by your definition, overgrowth is a fully released game, not an alpha if you used platinum and something didn´t end up as you wanted, well, bad luck for you. you know what you where getting into, and if you didn´t like it, then it´s your fault. until then, give feedback so they can improve the game, or just wait and play something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyphe Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 what I would expext from the wraith vipers by looking at the strun wraith which has already been nerfed so if they use the nerfed wraith as the model the vipers should not need to much in terms of post release balance 12 impact 4 puncture 4 slash 20 total damge crit chance 30% crit damage 200% status chance 2% accuracy 6 fire rate 30 reload time 1.2 mag 36 rounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davoodoo Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 ROUND UP NOT DOWN nerf 1 gun or buff 120... obvious choice. Nerf if needed, buff if needed but dont touch other things to balance 1 gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazyKnight Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 (edited) It doesn't look like they are overpowered/underpowered. Just using their data in GottFaust Calculator. Keep in mind it would use up all ammo rather quickly. All mods maxed rank: Raw Damage Per Second :: 15509.099 Horrent strike Barrel diffusion Leathal torrent Gun slinger pathogen round Ice storm Convulsion Heated charge Name :: W-ViperMagazine Size :: 56Total Ammo :: 266Crit Chance :: 18%Crit Damage Multiplier :: 200%Fire Rate :: 58 rounds per secondReload Time :: 2 secondsStatus Chance :: 5%Projectiles Per Shot :: 2.8Status Procs Per Second :: 8.12Time to Empty magazine :: 0.966 secondsAverage Bleed Stacks :: 15::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Raw Damage Per Shot :: 646.554Impact Damage Per Shot :: 137.984Puncture Damage Per Shot :: 9.856Slash Damage Per Shot :: 9.856Radiation Damage Per Shot :: 283.853Viral Damage Per Shot :: 205.005Damage Per Shot to Armor :: 650.003Damage Per Shot to Flesh :: 717.024Damage Per Shot to Robotic :: 717.517Damage Per Shot to Shields :: 643.104Damage Per Shot to Corpus :: 646.554Damage Per Shot to Grineer :: 646.554Damage Per Shot to Infested :: 404.589::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Raw Crit Damage Per Shot :: 1293.107Impact Crit Damage Per Shot :: 275.968Puncture Crit Damage Per Shot :: 19.712Slash Crit Damage Per Shot :: 19.712Radiation Crit Damage Per Shot :: 567.706Viral Crit Damage Per Shot :: 410.01Crit Damage Per Shot to Armor :: 1300.006Crit Damage Per Shot to Flesh :: 1434.048Crit Damage Per Shot to Robotic :: 1435.034Crit Damage Per Shot to Shields :: 1286.208Crit Damage Per Shot to Corpus :: 1293.107Crit Damage Per Shot to Grineer :: 1293.107Crit Damage Per Shot to Infested :: 809.178::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Raw Damage Per Second :: 15509.099Damage Per Second to Armor :: 15585.965Damage Per Second to Flesh :: 17079.376Damage Per Second to Robotic :: 17090.357Damage Per Second to Shields :: 15432.232Damage Per Second to Corpus :: 15509.099Damage Per Second to Grineer :: 15509.099Damage Per Second to Infested :: 10117.448::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Raw Burst Damage Per Second :: 45352.208Burst Damage Per Second to Armor :: 45588.299Burst Damage Per Second to Flesh :: 50175.203Burst Damage Per Second to Robotic :: 50208.93Burst Damage Per Second to Shields :: 45116.118Burst Damage Per Second to Corpus :: 45352.208Burst Damage Per Second to Grineer :: 45352.208Burst Damage Per Second to Infested :: 28792.137::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Time to Kill a lvl 100 Heavy Gunner :: 0.701 secondsTime to Kill a lvl 100 Toxic Ancient :: 0.575 secondsTime to Kill a lvl 100 Corpus Tech :: 0.809 secondsTime to Kill a lvl 100 Fusion Moa :: 0.719 seconds Edited January 6, 2014 by LazyKnight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakosta_Kai Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Nerfs to stave off power creep have been the trend to date. I look at it as an extra weapon slot on a direct upgrade to a weapon I already have (mine was never potatoed at it was only for mastery, so I get to sell my current Wraiths) and free mastery. Worst case: Anyone that gets awarded the weapon loses a potato if they get rid of their current TWraiths or they gain a weapon slot by deleting the reward if their current Wraiths are better. That ain't too shabby... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nestalim Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 They don't need a nerf, they're totally worthless atm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nnazqul Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 oh yeah, you can balance a weapon with 3 seconds of testing. totally dude. also, the "oh, you can pay, so it´s no beta" thing doesn´t make sense. first, they don´t make us pay full price, this is a free to play game. second, you dont have to pay anything, it´s a payed preview if you want to third, the game is incomplete (that IS a beta). they are going to rework melee combat, and they are still adding features for crying out loud. by your definition, overgrowth is a fully released game, not an alpha if you used platinum and something didn´t end up as you wanted, well, bad luck for you. you know what you where getting into, and if you didn´t like it, then it´s your fault. until then, give feedback so they can improve the game, or just wait and play something else. It took me literarely 15 minutes to test , play them and calculate exacly the DPS and how they scale compared to the other weapons.Considering their resourses ,it's much much easier for them.I mean, to give me a stupid answer like this ..you must be realy butt hurt. Warframe will never be ''finished''.It will always be adding new features and be reworked.This never ending beta is just bull S#&$. This is a fully functional game with a fully functional cash shop.The fact that they make you pay full price for their product , obligates them to offer full quality aswel.''This is still beta'' bull S#&$ , doesn't work no more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makya Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 ''This is still beta'' bull S#&$ , doesn't work no more. Then why don't have a long talk with DE then, seeing as this is your 'logic' verses their reasoning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nnazqul Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Then why don't have a long talk with DE then, seeing as this is your 'logic' verses their reasoning. nice input..great talking to you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makya Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 nice input..great talking to you Sadly we never spoke, though I think my ears are happy about that. Great typing to you though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nnazqul Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Sadly we never spoke, though I think my ears are happy about that. Great typing to you though. u mad bro? I think you're mad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makya Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 u mad bro? I think you're mad. Not mad, becoming amusing watching the jester. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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