Thoughts On Releasing The Aklato Prime And Dual Skana Prime [Please Be Civil And Constructive]

[Zaresin]

 

I can't make it any simpler VYR3. You make Aklato Prime and the game calls it Aklato Prime and in your hands are 2 Lato Primes, which is what Aklato Prime means. There is no getting around it. 1 + 1 = 2.

 

We have been at an impasse since the very beginning because so many people do not understand this and no matter how simply it is put, they don't get it. The thread will only continue to go round and round in circles.

 

 

then where is my offhand pistol and off hand melee weapon slot in the equipment screen?

 

Tech VYR3 is correct in point.  What NightBeats is refuring to is when you are using your foundry it requires 2 of the same weapon to make a duel or ak version.  

 

But essentially the argument you two are having is not the same argument in essense as you are both correct if you think about it.  Yes the duel and ak are considered 1 weapon.  Yes in the foundry it requires 2 of the single weapon to make the duel or ak weapon.  But we've also seen DE completely bypass the foundry on several occasions.

[Doom_Bunny]

 

I can't make it any simpler VYR3. You make Aklato Prime and the game calls it Aklato Prime and in your hands are 2 Lato Primes, which is what Aklato Prime means. There is no getting around it. 1 + 1 = 2.

 

We have been at an impasse since the very beginning because so many people do not understand this and no matter how simply it is put, they don't get it. The thread will only continue to go round and round in circles.

You can't make it simpler because you are forgetting about coding and everything else that goes into making an item in game. Sure it looks like there is just a copy but the amount of work needed to make it look like a copy practically makes it a different weapon. Then there is stats and animation etc.

 

 

And there you go ladies and gents.

 

This is the response from somebody whom wants a "Civil Debate".

 

 

His idea of a "Civil debate" being one in which he repeats the same thing over and over again whilst struggling with basic mathematics.

I wouldn't talk about being civil considering what you have gone about doing.

[The_Lunatic_]

Tech VYR3 is correct in point.  What NightBeats is refuring to is when you are using your foundry it requires 2 of the same weapon to make a duel or ak version.  

 

But essentially the argument you two are having is not the same argument in essense as you are both correct if you think about it.  Yes the duel and ak are considered 1 weapon.  Yes in the foundry it requires 2 of the single weapon to make the duel or ak weapon.  But we've also seen DE completely bypass the foundry on several occasions.

 

No, not for prime weapons we have not.

[NightBeats]

What NightBeats is refuring to is when you are using your foundry it requires 2 of the same weapon to make a duel or ak version.  

 

I don't think you read my posts. I never said the word "foundry" in a single one of them.

[Zaresin]

No, they don't want the mastery. If they wanted the mastery, any new weapon would do. They want the weapons because they look cool. It's not about having dual prime weapons. They want weapons that look like the lato prime and the skana prime. They first asked for the single variants., on other threads, and didn't get it. So now they ask for dual variants. . It's all about getting weapons that look the same.

 

The weapons may look cool but very few actually use the weapons for ascetics as even forma'd out the @$$ they still are crap guns compared to other newer flashier weapons.  

 

And the only way a newer weapon would work for mastery is if none of the founders had access to it to even out the mastery loss that most of the newer players will never have access to.  There will always be that discrepancy.  You take away that discrepancy and you take away the incentive.  

 

And tech DE never promised the founders exclusivity when it came to the duel variants.  It was never implied, nor expressed.

Edited June 11, 2014 by Zaresin

[Mesyra]

And there you go ladies and gents.

 

This is the response from somebody whom wants a "Civil Debate".

 

 

His idea of a "Civil debate" being one in which he repeats the same thing over and over again whilst struggling with basic mathematics.

I asked a simple question, sir.

 

I am not failing to comprehend basic mathematics.

 

I repeat the same phrase as others repeat theirs. the 1+1 argument has been brought up on multiple occasions.

[The_Lunatic_]

I asked a simple question, sir.

 

I am not failing to comprehend basic mathematics.

 

I repeat the same phrase as others repeat theirs. the 1+1 argument has been brought up on multiple occasions.

 

Then by all means. Explain how you intend to go about crafting a Akprime weapon, in a way that makes sense within the lore of the game, and doesn't involve ownership of a single variant.

[Zaresin]

Then by all means. Explain how you intend to go about crafting a Akprime weapon, in a way that makes sense within the lore of the game, and doesn't involve ownership of a single variant.

 

 

Buy it from the marketplace for plat.  Doesn't have to involve lore....DE sucks at lore so why start now?

Edited June 11, 2014 by Zaresin

[The_Lunatic_]

Buy it from the marketplace for plat.  Doesn't have to involve lore....DE sucks at lore so why start now?

 

So, you want DE to break the following established trends:

 

No Platinum only Market Place Exclusive Weapons/Warframes.

 

No Prime weapons on the market Place.

 

And disregard lore completely, because "They suck at it".

 

 

Riighht.

Edited June 11, 2014 by Cingal

[Zaresin]

So, you want DE to break the following established trends:

 

No Platinum only Market Place Exclusive Items.

 

No Prime weapons on the market Place.

 

And disregard lore completely, because "They suck at it".

 

 

Riighht.

 

Funny thing about trends....they were made to be "bucked" ;-) and wait...we have lore now????

 

 

Excal proto skin.....market place exclusive....ummm....synandana's marketplace exclusive.....all for plat....

 

anywho....DE sets the rules...not the players...

Edited June 11, 2014 by Zaresin

[Mesyra]

Then by all means. Explain how you intend to go about crafting a Akprime weapon, in a way that makes sense within the lore of the game, and doesn't involve ownership of a single variant.

the same exact way the normal dual skana is crafted, from... resources :O 

[The_Lunatic_]

Funny thing about trends....they were made to be "bucked" ;-) and wait...we have lore now????

 

So, you have absolutely no reason why DE should go against their established business practices and release this weapon in this way, beyond "Because they should."

 

... Okay.

 

Anyone care to suggest something else?

[The_Lunatic_]

the same exact way the normal dual skana is crafted, from... resources :O 

 

That makes zero sense within the Lore.

 

Tenno cannot construct Orokin technology. All Orokin weapons are constructed by finding the parts and combining them.

 

We are incapable of making Orokin weapons from scratch, thus this makes no sense within the game's established universe.

 

 

Well, that's 0/2. Anyone else want to have a go?

[Kazzamo]

Same way we build fang prime, and a new tenno graveyard tower. Two skana prime blades and two skana prime handles turns into 1 dual skana and due to the legal obligations of DE you can't use them to make 1 skana prime. It's... space magic/void taint whatever to explain why you can only make the dual version. Oh! Void particles have harmonized and the blades must be used together, there you go. 

[The_Lunatic_]

Same way we build fang prime, and a new tenno graveyard tower. Two skana prime blades and two skana prime handles turns into 1 dual skana and due to the legal obligations of DE you can't use them to make 1 skana prime. It's... space magic/void taint whatever to explain why you can only make the dual version. Oh! Void particles have harmonized and the blades must be used together, there you go. 

 

Fang are Dual Daggers which is a different weapon type from Dual Swords.

 

Dual Swords and Pistols are based on dual versions of already existing single variants of weapons and thus their construction is different.

 

To bring up a completely different weapon type is entirely irrelevant.

 

Also, there is no "Space Magic" presently in the game which prevents people crafting items. So, DE would have to add that.

Edited June 11, 2014 by Cingal

[Zaresin]

So, you have absolutely no reason why DE should go against their established business practices and release this weapon in this way, beyond "Because they should."

 

... Okay.

 

Anyone care to suggest something else?

 

 

Look at it from a business perspective, marketplace exclusivity is nothing new to DE, look at the numerous items you can only get through the market place and some were limited time as well.  Releasing them in the marketplace solves this whole issue from the getgo (only if they tie in the mastery to their singular counterparts as well otherwise we are right back here when the focus system goes live).

 

 

Everyone gains something....no one loses something.  And we can finally put this tiresome argument to rest.  The only reason you are against it is because you personally don't want anyone to ever have the duel or ak version unless it is founder exclusive which was never in the original agreement (you might want to read it). 

 

And to be honest, since when has lore actually mattered in this game considering we really have none (minus the tiny bits we get here and there, nothing ties it together).

Edited June 11, 2014 by Zaresin

[Mesyra]

Fang are Dual Daggers which is a different weapon type from Dual Swords.

 

Dual Swords and Pistols are based on dual versions of already existing single variants of weapons and thus their construction is different.

 

To bring up a completely different weapon type is entirely irrelevant.

 

Also, there is no "Space Magic" presently in the game which prevents people crafting items. So, DE would have to add that.

heat dagger.

dark dagger.

Edited June 11, 2014 by VYR3

[The_Lunatic_]

Look at it from a business perspective, marketplace exclusivity is nothing new to DE, look at the numerous items you can only get through the market place and some were limited time as well.  Releasing them in the marketplace solves this whole issue from the getgo (only if they tie in the mastery to their singular counterparts as well otherwise we are right back here when the focus system goes live).

 

Everyone gains something....no one loses something.  And we can finally put this tiresome argument to rest.  The only reason you are against it is because you personally don't want anyone to ever have the duel or ak version unless it is founder exclusive which was never in the original agreement (you might want to read it). 

 

There are no platinum exclusive weapons or warframes on the market place. so, that is incorrect.

 

And again, you're not providing any reason beyond "Because they should" and "People would pay for it".

 

Which is a reason which can extent to any weapon, and doesn't have to specifically apply to these Founder's items.

 

Warframe could add a developer weapon to the market place for 1,000 platinum and kills everything in a single shot.

 

However, they will not as it's a poor practice and not one they have any established habit of doing.

[Kazzamo]

Fang are Dual Daggers which is a different weapon type from Dual Swords.

 

Dual Swords and Pistols are based on dual versions of already existing single variants of weapons and thus their construction is different.

 

To bring up a completely different weapon type is entirely irrelevant.

 

Also, there is no "Space Magic" presently in the game which prevents people crafting items. So, DE would have to add that.

 

For DE having to add some lore fluff, so what? Look at those codex entries they threw in there that have like nothing to do with the game at all and are just tidbits of fluff and lore. Lore is made to be made up. As for the whole dual swords and pistols crafting thing that's true... for all but lato and skana surprise surprise. Doesn't break the trend when the weapons they are based on don't need 2 of that weapon to be crafted in the first place does it?

[Ov3rd0se]

Why is this god forsaken thread still alive!?

[Cerokhol]

Look at it from a business perspective, marketplace exclusivity is nothing new to DE, look at the numerous items you can only get through the market place and some were limited time as well.  Releasing them in the marketplace solves this whole issue from the getgo (only if they tie in the mastery to their singular counterparts as well otherwise we are right back here when the focus system goes live).

 

 

Everyone gains something....no one loses something.  And we can finally put this tiresome argument to rest.  The only reason you are against it is because you personally don't want anyone to ever have the duel or ak version unless it is founder exclusive which was never in the original agreement (you might want to read it). 

 

 

Actually, If you were gonna tie their mastery into the mastery of the single variants... Founder's then would be screwed out of the mastery points the new weapons should provide... There is no simple fix... no matter what happens people get screwed

[Zaresin]

There are no platinum exclusive weapons or warframes on the market place. so, that is incorrect.

 

And again, you're not providing any reason beyond "Because they should" and "People would pay for it".

 

Which is a reason which can extent to any weapon, and doesn't have to specifically apply to these Founder's items.

 

Warframe could add a developer weapon to the market place for 1,000 platinum and kills everything in a single shot.

 

However, they will not as it's a poor practice and not one they have any established habit of doing.

 

The simple fact that people would pay for it is enough of a reason to be honest.  DE is a supplier, we are a consumer.  And DE makes the rules and can break their own trends...to assume otherwise is stupid to be honest.

[The_Lunatic_]

heat dagger.

dark dagger.

 

These are not prime weapons.

 

For DE having to add some lore fluff, so what? Look at those codex entries they threw in there that have like nothing to do with the game at all and are just tidbits of fluff and lore. Lore is made to be made up. As for the whole dual swords and pistols crafting thing that's true... for all but lato and skana surprise surprise. Doesn't break the trend when the weapons they are based on don't need 2 of that weapon to be crafted in the first place does it?

 

So, again, another "Lol, the lore is bad anyway" argument.

 

Again, you're bringing up non-prime weapons and saying "WELL THESE DON'T", it's entirely irrelevant. They're not prime weapons, in accordance to the lore, they not made of the same materials nor in the same process.

[Kazzamo]

Actually, If you were gonna tie their mastery into the mastery of the single variants... Founder's then would be screwed out of the mastery points the new weapons should provide... There is no simple fix... no matter what happens people get screwed

 

If you went that route a founder would only get screwed if they spent the time to level those up. Essentially in that one they're ahead of the curve already and don't need to waste time and resources leveling an "inferior" weapon unless they want to do it for funziez.

[Zaresin]

Actually, If you were gonna tie their mastery into the mastery of the single variants... Founder's then would be screwed out of the mastery points the new weapons should provide... There is no simple fix... no matter what happens people get screwed

 

Not really as they would still get the 3k from the ak and duel versions but non founders would just get 6k to get the mastery from the single variants.  The founders already have that 3k so they wouldn't lose out on anything that anyone else was gaining.