nicoga3000 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 I was running an Infested Defense mission last night with 3 other people. Lots and lots of stuff exploding and particle effects. When I'm running solo, I get a constant 56-60 FPS on 1920x1080 with everything turned on and maxed. When running with the group I was last night (again, lots of stuff exploding and abilities being used, etc), I was getting dips in the 25-30 range. My current rig: i7-4770k (running 3.5 Ghz at the moment, will likely OC this to ~4.0-4.2 GHz) EVGA GTX 970 SSC MSI Z87-g45 mobo 16 GB RAM Game running off SSD I would like to think that my machine can handle this game at max with a bunch of people around, but that was apparently not the case. Is it a mater of just turning off some effects to maximize performance in groups? I realize it may be a lot to ask of my rig to perform at a constant 60 FPS at max with 4 people blowing things up, but given that the only real upgrade I can make would be a 980 or to SLI my 970, I can't figure out what the deal is. I appreciate any possibly help with this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mizar0011 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 You probably weren't host and the host was CPU locked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error989 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 try thishttps://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/289244-framerate-drops-high-cpu-loads-cpu-overheating-this-might-fix-it-cpu-core-unparking/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicoga3000 Posted January 21, 2015 Author Share Posted January 21, 2015 You probably weren't host and the host was CPU locked. I did not know this was a thing. Thanks! I'm guessing this is tied to random games I join with major latency issues? try this https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/289244-framerate-drops-high-cpu-loads-cpu-overheating-this-might-fix-it-cpu-core-unparking/ I'll give this a read, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiemi Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) I have the Same On liset i have 120 fps Solo i have 70-90 fps Group i have 30-40 fps On min Grafik Details Amd athlon x64 x2 5800+ ( 3ghz) Msi R7 250 oc 2gb RAM 8 RAM Dual Channel Acer mainboard Edited January 21, 2015 by Maiemi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arblarg Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Let me know what happens when you unpark the cores, op. I don't think its going to be super beneficial though, it has something to do with how warframe is programmed. Try this some time, set your game to private / friends only and do some stuff in a mission. You'll probably notice your FPS stays at solid 60 (with vsync) or high above with it off. Invite a friend and watch your FPS counter as they join in. Your FPS will immediately drop the second they start loading it, despite nothing new happening. All I can think is that the game limits FPS in multiplayer for information related things from client - host to ensure everybody is 'seeing' all the same stuff. I really don't know though. You could try playing with vsync off all the time and probably bake your card, but it might let you get over that 30 fps hump in multiplayer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicoga3000 Posted January 21, 2015 Author Share Posted January 21, 2015 It just seems so odd given that my rig is definitely not a budget machine, haha. I'm pretty sure I should be able to run most anything I want at max settings at the moment. I'll definitely unpark the cores and OC my processor tonight. Not sure if the OC will HELP, but there's no reason not to since my machine doesn't run very hot when gaming heavily (~33-35C). I'll try solo and then try hopping into a defense mission again and see what impact it all has. I could also try turning off PhysX, Bloom, and Motion Blur. The PhysX especially may be hurting while playing heavy multiplayer things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5h1n0k4m1 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 i went in a game with 3 buddies and when i started lagging, the host got a fps drop to around 10 or so (skyping all-toghether) and when i just got dropped from the party, it went back to normal for them ...i really want to know why such connectivity issues make trouble with the way any client pc handle the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error989 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 I have the Same On liset i have 120 fps Solo i have 70-90 fps Group i have 30-40 fps On min Grafik Details Amd athlon x64 x2 5800+ ( 3ghz) Msi R7 250 oc 2gb RAM 8 RAM Dual Channel Acer mainboard his pc is 10x better than yours, so he should have 10x better fps... you're getting what your pc can do, he is not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error989 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) It just seems so odd given that my rig is definitely not a budget machine, haha. I'm pretty sure I should be able to run most anything I want at max settings at the moment. I'll definitely unpark the cores and OC my processor tonight. Not sure if the OC will HELP, but there's no reason not to since my machine doesn't run very hot when gaming heavily (~33-35C). I'll try solo and then try hopping into a defense mission again and see what impact it all has. I could also try turning off PhysX, Bloom, and Motion Blur. The PhysX especially may be hurting while playing heavy multiplayer things? bloom and blur are bad effects anyway :P physx might be eating your performance tho (especially when there's a lot of explosions) if unparking doesnt help try turning off physx oh and update your drivers :P Edited January 21, 2015 by Error989 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kostadin Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) try 3 things look for viruses(most of the cases for me is the miner) see if its something with the speed of your internet(try TCP optimizer if it will help) the third things the game settings but i'm sure with that not "budget machine" you can max out AC unity with no problems other than that i cant help Edited January 21, 2015 by Kostadin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicoga3000 Posted January 21, 2015 Author Share Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) i went in a game with 3 buddies and when i started lagging, the host got a fps drop to around 10 or so (skyping all-toghether) and when i just got dropped from the party, it went back to normal for them ...i really want to know why such connectivity issues make trouble with the way any client pc handle the game I would love to know if the game does indeed CPU lock as alluded to by Mizar0011 above. bloom and blur are bad effects anyway :P physx might be eating your performance tho (especially when there's a lot of explosions) if unparking doesnt help try turning off physx Yeah, I installed my 970 last night and got giddy...Just went down the list and turned everything on because why not? Wanted to push my new card to the limit! However, Motion Blur is annoying, and I don't really care about Bloom. PhysX is cool I guess, but if it's going to hinder my overall performance in multiplayer, I can live without it. try 3 things look for viruses(most of the cases for me is the miner) see if its something with the speed of your internet(try TCP optimizer if it will help) the third things the game settings but i'm sure with that not "budget machine" you can max out AC unity with no problems other than that i cant help Given that this is a fresh install of Windows (and I run MWB in the background when I'm not gaming), I would be hard pressed to believe I have any sort of virus. As I said, game runs like butter when playing solo. And I get fantastic DL/UL speeds being hardwired, so it wouldn't be that. Settings/game optimization are what I think to be the culprit after various replies in this thread. :) Edited January 21, 2015 by nicoga3000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error989 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) Yeah, I installed my 970 last night and got giddy...Just went down the list and turned everything on because why not? Wanted to push my new card to the limit! However, Motion Blur is annoying, and I don't really care about Bloom. PhysX is cool I guess, but if it's going to hinder my overall performance in multiplayer, I can live without it. what gpu did you have before? did you completely delete the old drivers and instal the new ones from nvidia's website? 970 should eat up warframe like it's nothing Edited January 21, 2015 by Error989 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicoga3000 Posted January 21, 2015 Author Share Posted January 21, 2015 what gpu did you have before? did you completely delete the old drivers and instal the new ones from nvidia's website? 970 should eat up warframe like it's nothing I was running a 770. The upgrade wasn't as big as some folks, but it was indeed an upgrade. I don't think I went and deleted my 770 drivers, though. I may have to do a sweep just to make sure. And I just use the Nvidia tool to make sure that my drivers are up to date, so unless that thing is lying to me, I should be good in that respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error989 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 I was running a 770. The upgrade wasn't as big as some folks, but it was indeed an upgrade. I don't think I went and deleted my 770 drivers, though. I may have to do a sweep just to make sure. And I just use the Nvidia tool to make sure that my drivers are up to date, so unless that thing is lying to me, I should be good in that respect. they use the same driver anyway... 770 is a lot slower than 970 (770 is a rebranded 680) I'd do this: 1. instal the newest gpu driver 2. unpark the cores 3. make sure that vsync is off and multithreading on and if that doesnt help 4. disable physx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiemi Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) I know :-) My question is Can Cpu unlocked help ? Maybe for better Performance ? On my second pc ? @Error i ASK for my Little Second pc :-) Edited January 21, 2015 by Maiemi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mizar0011 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 It just seems so odd given that my rig is definitely not a budget machine, haha. I'm pretty sure I should be able to run most anything I want at max settings at the moment. I'll definitely unpark the cores and OC my processor tonight. Not sure if the OC will HELP, but there's no reason not to since my machine doesn't run very hot when gaming heavily (~33-35C). I'll try solo and then try hopping into a defense mission again and see what impact it all has. I could also try turning off PhysX, Bloom, and Motion Blur. The PhysX especially may be hurting while playing heavy multiplayer things? Unparking the cores is always a good idea, however your machine should be able to handle anything warframe can throw at it. To confirm that your machine is good(might also be a problem with internet bandwidth, but seeing your specs, i am under the assumption that you didnt skimp on internet :P) I would start a mission (just to double ensure that youre the host) then invite 3 friends in and play with them. Then have a friend with a...not so great computer, host the mission and see if you replicate the FPS issues. (also, im sure that you have the appropriate router for your internet, but if you have an old router it can and will throttle your internet upload/download speed to what it can handle, causing you to be paying for 50 mbps or whatever but only getting 5.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberplayer Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) Check your gpu usage, if gpu isn't fully utilized overclock your cpu. But if 4770k isn't enough for game, it say something about game optimization. Edited January 22, 2015 by Uberplayer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Girochi Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I had similar problem and have sent support ticket before. In short, according to DE, it's caused by the optimization of the game itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arblarg Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 You may certainly want to do some extra testing and benchmarks, op. I know I'm slightly above you (4790k, 980 SC), but I was able to hold 40+ FPS at 4k with another mirage in ODS. However my previous post held true, playing in single player and I never saw a dip below 55 FPS, otherwise held 60 FPS at 4k res. I really think there is something in warframe that limits perf to prevent replication issues between clients. But still, try the core un-parking and possibly even overclocking. I'm running stock clocks on everything currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberplayer Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 As Warframe is cpu bound, it doesn't really mater as much if you play on 4k or 1080p. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scavenge Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Lol at all these tips when the issue is the game itself ever since a good month ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSnakeMGS4 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Seems to be the same with the mini-freezing in Liset, menues and sometimes in missions - this did appear three months ago (roughly around U15) and I am still searching on my side although I am sure it is the game since this did not happen before that time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scavenge Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Just tried actually playing the game for the first time in weeks and ofc the frist try ended in a blackscreen while loading the mission. It did all start around U15 indeed. Well second try loaded, thx for the weapon tater, laters :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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