Arlayn Posted May 10, 2013 Author Share Posted May 10, 2013 Running faster is not enough, many times these people are either struggling to kill enemies, just not as good as the faster player, or any other number of reasons beyond lacking the ability to move their character as fast as others. This also creates other balancing issues and at that point, why even make frames have different speeds to begin with, if you're just going to automatically become faster anyway when you fall behind. Why put on mods to improve speed, when you know only 1 person needs it to get ahead and thus boost everyone's speed. The solution is playing with like minded people, you're creating trying to create solutions for something that has already been solved, and again the solutions proposed are not addressing the problem appropriately. What is wrong with falling behind and killing things. This just means they are a leveling player and they will get exp from killing that enemy. So its a good thing anyway. And I never said this is a must or the number 1 idea (Best idea does not mean number 1 idea) It is simply one of many good ideas. Who says I was SERIOUSLY trying to eliminate the problem... I was trying to make a fun idea for it... like random ramblings I like to do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlayn Posted May 10, 2013 Author Share Posted May 10, 2013 (edited) Or Just look at racing games like Mario Kart. The players that are in first place get horrible boosts OR are the target of a specific attack to knock them out of that place. AKA Anti Rushing Special Units like this dude says. They specifically target dudes far ahead that are alone. Or Lotus get's mad at you for not being a team player and you get docked half of the rewards. hmm... the anti-tenno unit ONLY ambushing the guy ahead of everyone else... that's a good idea too that way everyone else catches up but 8 harder then normal enemies ambushing would definitely lead to his death so the number may have to be lower in that case. Unless the plan is for that player to take cover till come to help out. Edited May 10, 2013 by Arlayn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrblurr Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Best way to deal with rushers( and at the same time more variety to Grineer)... create an elite team of that particular faction... my idea for grineer was a team of 8 grineer dressed in black with mean looking helmet eyes instead of circle. Nickname them the Eight Ball (For example) with a special pattern on each of the shoulders showing what they are skilled at. Make them the Anti-Tenno unit that hunts Tenno. Booby trap the artifact mission. Like the artifact gives off a false signal which causes Lotus to send you. You reach it you touch it explodes you into the door behind you which activates a laser trap that knocks you forward again on the floor then one of the Eight Ball members with a missle launcher shows up on the floor above while your shield is at 0 and blast you, moment you get up the door on the other side opens and a Eight Ball member with a Sniper appears and goes for a head shot. Meanwhile another 8 Ball Member sets up turrets in the room before to take down your shields from all directions. More likely the guy who rushed ahead to the artifact is dead from the barrage causing heavy, and sniper to go back to fight the others. If one of the Tenno had been left behind have his path cut off with a Red Lock Down and force him to battle a Melee Specialist Eight Ball Member to the death to escape the room with his code. All the while the other two remaining that had left the other behind and now trapt in a barrage of turret fire have the remaining Eight Ball members move in on their position with all types of fancy tactics, tricks, weaponry, and traps... Meaning if you rush there is a chance you will Blue Falcon(Screw your team over) your team into an ambush of an elite Anti-Tenno Unit that will pick you off one by one. Don't put them in every mission just make them a chance event that could occur during a mission so that a team of four tenno are more cautious in their decisions. Do you want to be left behind with a chance for a epic lock down duel? do you want to run ahead and be barraged to death? Do you wan to be the two in-between buddies that get barraged from all directions? If your prepared and working together from the start you can be more prepared for an ambush. If you rush, or split up good chance is you will be ambushed Edit: and killed... One issue with this solution. A rusher would just stand at the doorway instead of going to the next room while waiting on the others, once the first is over, he rushes the EP like normal...doesn't solve much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CloudPies Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 This is cute. You assume "rushers" don't cloak... This will end up with more blood and tears from YOU that wondered into the little trap... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlayn Posted May 10, 2013 Author Share Posted May 10, 2013 (edited) 1. I am glad this has become more friendly... 2. One issue with this solution. A rusher would just stand at the doorway instead of going to the next room while waiting on the others, once the first is over, he rushes the EP like normal...doesn't solve much. Oh Well to that then that rusher has missed out on all the fun the others are now enjoying to bad for that rusher... Edited May 10, 2013 by Arlayn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enot83 Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 (edited) What is wrong with falling behind and killing things. This just means they are a leveling player and they will get exp from killing that enemy. So its a good thing anyway. And I never said this is a must or the number 1 idea (Best idea does not mean number 1 idea) It is simply one of many good ideas. Who says I was SERIOUSLY trying to eliminate the problem... I was trying to make a fun idea for it... like random ramblings I like to do... Then retitle your thread, since you have stated in its title, this will END OF RUSHING. - Edit wasn't all, just of (same difference) I never said there was anything wrong with what the players are doing, if you took anytime at all I have said throughout, none of these players are doing anything wrong ever, it is when you have two types of mindsets mixed that a problem can occur. Edited May 10, 2013 by Enot83 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlayn Posted May 10, 2013 Author Share Posted May 10, 2013 This is cute. You assume "rushers" don't cloak... This will end up with more blood and tears from YOU that wondered into the little trap... What blood and tears? heck be glad I didn't mention that awesome idea of a lock down in a room with windows and a fighter with a crazed pilot hell bent on killing you decides to kamikaze into the windows and smash you into the wall blowing up and splattering your guts all over space... or just blasting you into space in general... Which would be TOTALLY AWESOME!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlayn Posted May 10, 2013 Author Share Posted May 10, 2013 Then retitle your thread, since you have stated in its title, this will END ALL RUSHING. I never said there was anything wrong with what the players are doing, if you took anytime at all I have said throughout, none of these players are doing anything wrong ever, it is when you have two types of mindsets mixed that a problem can occur. Why did you take my title seriously in the first place? That's like putting a sign in front of the store stating best coffee in the world. Ever watched "Elf"? Maybe not... never take a claim so extreme seriously... No such thing as great geniuses anymore that could end issues like that... Remedial classes sealed that fate... Also nothing wrong with two mind sets.... could always give people who fell behind something fun to do if the rusher wants to play the game like that.... heck all I want is more even type battles where random events occur. This is just one of the trigger events that could occur for fun... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enot83 Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Why did you take my title seriously in the first place? That's like putting a sign in front of the store stating best coffee in the world. Ever watched "Elf"? Maybe not... never take a claim so extreme seriously... No such thing as great geniuses anymore that could end issues like that... Remedial classes sealed that fate... Also nothing wrong with two mind sets.... could always give people who fell behind something fun to do if the rusher wants to play the game like that.... heck all I want is more even type battles where random events occur. This is just one of the trigger events that could occur for fun... Simple you stated you didn't claim something, yet you did. You got called on the mat about something again, and instead of re-examining it to keep the discourse of conversation constructive you're arguing invalid points. Continue to undermine yourself, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flaming_Snake Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Bring back Nervos. That'll show them rushers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mak_Gohae Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 (edited) hmm... the anti-tenno unit ONLY ambushing the guy ahead of everyone else... that's a good idea too that way everyone else catches up but 8 harder then normal enemies ambushing would definitely lead to his death so the number may have to be lower in that case. Unless the plan is for that player to take cover till come to help out. Maybe these Anti-Rushing Units like showing off cause they got all that special training and when they just trap you, stun you, they start taunting you with and when the other Tenno show up they run away cause they were busy taunting you and not prepared for combat. Edited May 10, 2013 by Mak_Gohae Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlayn Posted May 10, 2013 Author Share Posted May 10, 2013 Bring back Nervos. That'll show them rushers. I loved the nervos! On another note... Simple you stated you didn't claim something, yet you did. You got called on the mat about something again, and instead of re-examining it to keep the discourse of conversation constructive you're arguing invalid points. Continue to undermine yourself, please. I still have no idea what your talking about... if your trying to be rude or troll me then you need to be more specific I have seen better trollers complain about genders in this game... I am trying to have a nice friendly conversation... just talking about ideas, having fun, just being fun in general and in no way be serious... This isn't real life security issue no need to get all offensive over nothing... just relax and have fun already. I am glad all the others have been so nice throwing out ideas so friendly... Look if your having a bad day don't take it out on me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worira Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 OP liked Nervos, thread over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAbsoluteZeroI Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 I love how people like the OP just automatically assert that rushers are a plague upon all the "normal" gamers. I feel the same way that you do when I get a horrendously slow teammate, but I don't go complaining about it on the forums 24/7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DishSoap Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 It isn't being selfish its to make the game MORE FUN by adding a system that would add more units, add a great anti-rushing system vastly superior to laser doors, and the most dysfunctional anti rusher system the two man door which ticks me off every time it ruins a game for others in a completely UNFAIR FASHION BASED SOLEY ON THE FACT ITS A GLITCH IN GAME!!! Heck I would prefer it if they brought back Nervos that was one of the best anti-rushers in the game and it was fun to help others out shoot those things off, nothing wrong with dyeing with one of those things on you. If you can't realize some people don't look at "fun" the same way you do then yes you are selfish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enot83 Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 So you're given constructive criticism, you argue against it with more faulty logic, then when you run out of road, you feign that "just kidding I'm just having fun typing words". Still as I stated before the idea has merrit in regards to adding more and more unique enemies to fight, since they are doing it already, though your premise for it is wrong. But... by your own admission.... ...at this point we can assume that this thread and what's discussed further in it should not be taken as context for improving the game, since its just lackadaisical conversation about nothing meaningful, by your own explanation. Glad those of us who tried to add something to this wasted our time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CompositeGNFNR Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Make the enemy interact Tactically. This would make the game Harder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argoms Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Make the enemy interact Tactically. This would make the game Harder. Let's do this cod style- everything is now tactical. Tactical sword. Tactical grenade. Tactical door. Tactical camera. Tactical medkit. Tactical osprey. Tactical ship. Tactical assassination. Tactical raid. Tactical capture. Tactical spy. etc. etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CompositeGNFNR Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Let's do this cod style- everything is now tactical. Tactical sword. Tactical grenade. Tactical door. Tactical camera. Tactical medkit. Tactical osprey. Tactical ship. Tactical assassination. Tactical raid. Tactical capture. Tactical spy. etc. etc. What the shab are you trying to Say? What does Call of Duty have to do with anything I Said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argoms Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 What the shab are you trying to Say? What does Call of Duty have to do with anything I Said? Bad joke, sorry ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CompositeGNFNR Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Bad joke, sorry ^^ No Worries. Your joke was pretty random, I thought you were going off on a bad Tangent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildJuice Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Just don't change anything to the current gameplay and make wait time take 5 minutes. It's enough for everyone to clear every enemy that drops nothing and open every +100 credit locker there is, AND rushers can go AFK at the extraction. Let's be honest rushers will be rushers. Likewise pirates will always find a way to get through all that DRM. Let rushers be. Diverting resource to make a game less fun for around 50% of the population? Really now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCDenton91 Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 (edited) Well, making elevators two man would be a first step. Killing rushers is pointless, you want to discourage rushing, unfair mechanics like the one suggested would just piss off everyone. Edited May 10, 2013 by JCDenton91 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlayn Posted May 10, 2013 Author Share Posted May 10, 2013 Its sad when you have a community that takes everything so violently serious... Also all of you completely misunderstood me... 100%... I was hoping for people to throw random ideas at it... not completely miss read it then blurt out random nonsense that is completely rude and uncalled for... I would reply to each of you but after how rude everyone has been I decided not to. What is the point of telling off trolls anyway? None... I could try but then you would all just gang up and throw another series of insults, and rude comments. I have a life and better things to do then the rest of you so keep throwing your non-sense and rude comments this way I have life to enjoy while the rest of you go pessimist mode over nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasXamd Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Well they could just make it like L4D... include some unique mobs.. that instal lock you with no way to retaliate unless help by a teammate.. But then again.. Loki can invis away~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~!!Just my 2 cent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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