(XBOX)SylvEmily Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 (edited) Kinese (Pronounced Ky-Nese), is a Frame based entirely from the mind, allowing him to move enemies with his mind, and see what they see. BASE STATS: HP: 150 Shield: 100 Energy: 155 Armor: 90 Speed: 0.95 ABILITIES: Shadow of the Mind (25 Energy) Allows the player to see what the enemy sees, effectively placing a Line-Of-Sight Field in front of the enemy based on where they would detect him, it is a lasting ability, so Efficiency and Range are key to upgrading this. Amnesia (25 Energy) Any enemies that saw you will forget they saw you and allow you 5 seconds of time to escape to a hiding spot, effected by Range and Strength Mods (Strength increases time until they remember) Time Flies (75 Energy) Slows all nearby enemies down and speeds your team up, allowing you to eliminate the threat quickly or escape in a fury. Extremely short Range so that is your primary concern here. Psychokinesis (100 Energy) Allows Kinese to pick up a group of enemies and hurl them at another group, can only hold for 5 seconds and is effective against larger groups of hostiles. Strength and Range will increase Damage Dealt and Amount of Enemies you pick up. Kinese is a master of unlocking the mind, and can be a valuable ally to the Tenno Cause, however obtaining him isn't so easy, as it requires teaming up with a hated foe... (Quest coming soon, I need to think of it some more, Appearance as well) Edited February 29, 2016 by (XB1)WickedSoldier99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagingGrizzly Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Only thing I would say is balance out the stats, and you're good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehtael7 Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 (edited) Ability 1: Not exactly useful in the majority of modes. Also, useless in PvP. Ability 2: See response 1. Ability 3: Rather boring. VERY basic, would be way too strong in PvP Ability 4: The game engine isn't good for handling ragdoll physics interactions like that. It also sounds ridiculously overpowered if it's a hard disable for two groups of enemies, also how do you slam one group into another group? How does that happen? Also I can't imagine this working at ALL in PvP Edited February 29, 2016 by Rehtael7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)SylvEmily Posted February 29, 2016 Author Share Posted February 29, 2016 Just now, PUR3K1LL3R said: Only thing I would say is balance out the stats, and you're good. Alright, I'll think of a way to balance it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagingGrizzly Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 2 minutes ago, (XB1)WickedSoldier99 said: Alright, I'll think of a way to balance it out. Tone down the HP to 150 and shiedling to 100. That should be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehtael7 Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 40 minutes ago, PUR3K1LL3R said: Tone down the HP to 150 and shiedling to 100. That should be fine. Uhhh. What? No. That's nothing at all. Even the glassiest of glass cannons aren't that weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagingGrizzly Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rehtael7 said: Uhhh. What? No. That's nothing at all. Even the glassiest of glass cannons aren't that weak. What about banshee or Loki then? They have some of the lowest stats in the game. Edited February 29, 2016 by PUR3K1LL3R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehtael7 Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Just now, PUR3K1LL3R said: What about banshee or Loki then? They have some of the lowest stats in the game. Banshee: 300 health/ 300 shields. Loki: 225 health/ 225 shields. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagingGrizzly Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 (edited) 1 minute ago, Rehtael7 said: Banshee: 300 health/ 300 shields. Loki: 225 health/ 225 shields. Oh, so that's why you were confused. The stats I suggested our their BASE stats, not stats after leveling. Edited February 29, 2016 by PUR3K1LL3R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehtael7 Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 5 minutes ago, PUR3K1LL3R said: Oh, so that's why you were confused. The stats I suggested our their BASE stats, not stats after leveling. Why bother even suggesting that? It doesn't reflect the state that the frame spends the majority of time in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagingGrizzly Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 1 minute ago, Rehtael7 said: Why bother even suggesting that? It doesn't reflect the state that the frame spends the majority of time in. What are you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehtael7 Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 10 minutes ago, PUR3K1LL3R said: What are you talking about? Why suggest the rank 0 stats? Those matter the least as each frame spends the least amount of their usage at rank 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagingGrizzly Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Just now, Rehtael7 said: Why suggest the rank 0 stats? Those matter the least as each frame spends the least amount of their usage at rank 0. Everyone knows how much stats are rised when they rank. (Energy pool, hp, etc) Would matter more if base stats were listed and, if need be, also state rank 30 stats. (Kind of like the wikia) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehtael7 Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Or just state the rank 30 since that's what actually matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephyr_Ark Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Let me break this down: Kinese (Pronounced Ky-Nese), is a Frame based entirely from the mind, allowing him to move enemies with his mind, and see what they see. Sounds like a combination of mirage with some stealth elements of Loki, interesting, but not very useful in many situations other than stealth as far as I can tell, but let's move on BASE STATS: HP: 150, Shield: 100, Armor 90: VERY TANKY!!! Especially for a frame stating its "of the mind" try basing it a bit more off of Loki, mirage, or even volt I'd say. It doesn't have to be powerful, just practical for what's its powers are. Such as volt doesn't need a ton of armor because he moves pretty quick and has a lot of shields, plus an augment that restores shields. Just an example. Logic here is : tone it down Energy: 155 This is good, but making it seem like an energy base frame with this much? Doesn't seem too easy unless your whole squad is running energy siphon Speed: 0.95 Fair enough ABILITIES: ALL OF THESE are very expensive for what they do, possibly down the cost? Shadow of the Mind (25 Energy) Allows the player to see what the enemy sees, effectively placing a Line-Of-Sight Field in front of the enemy based on where they would detect him, it is a lasting ability, so Efficiency and Range are key to upgrading this. I'm not going to say it's a bad idea? But it's a not good idea. I can see the practicality, and it fits the warframe theme, but it's VERY impractical, virtually useless in PVP, and useless unless you're running stealth Amnesia (25 Energy) Any enemies that saw you will forget they saw you and allow you 5 seconds of time to escape to a hiding spot, effected by Range and Strength Mods (Strength increases time until they remember) This is again, useless in PVP, as you can't make an actual player "forget they saw you" maybe as a stun chance instead? But even as a stun, you might as well just kill them, this power doesn't do much other than grind power or turn you into Loki for 5 seconds Time Flies (75 Energy) Slows all nearby enemies down and speeds your team up, allowing you to eliminate the threat quickly or escape in a fury. Extremely short Range so that is your primary concern here. That is copying volts ability. Not because of the time slowing, but how fast you would be moving, plus you're suggesting it improves attack speed? Volt already does it. Unoriginal, and a bit boring Psychokinesis (100 Energy) Allows Kinese to pick up a group of enemies and hurl them at another group, can only hold for 5 seconds and is effective against larger groups of hostiles. Strength and Range will increase Damage Dealt and Amount of Enemies you pick up. Main concern, holding players in PVP won't work, unfair and overpowered, plus makes you a sitting duck, plus players don't take momentum damage. 2 I can see flinging a group of enemies, but targeting them at other enies? The engine doesn't really like to handle rag dolls hitting each other, would cause lag and a lot of glitching. 3. Even for an ult, that is a LOT of energy for an ult, especially when it's purpose is a repurposed rhino-stomp Kinese is a master of unlocking the mind, and can be a valuable ally to the Tenno Cause, however obtaining him isn't so easy, as it requires teaming up with a hated foe... (Quest coming soon, I need to think of it some more, Appearance as well) Overall- this frame is either absolutely useless in PVP, and overpowered with its ult in pvp the game can't handle the physics of clashing bodies, so that ult doesn't work way too powerful of base stats too little energy for its powers its powers would only be needed in things like no alarm stealth missions NOT ENOUGH ORIGIONALITY TO MAKE IT UNIQUE, it's basically just stealing from other frames. i won't doubt there's an idea here.... Somewhere.... But don't make it a clone of other frames? Edited 3 hours ago by (XB1)WickedSoldier99 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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